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how do I say no to him?

36 replies

LalaDipsey · 10/10/2015 18:26

Ok, STBXH left about 2.5yrs ago. We have a 6yr old dd and 3yr old twins. He wasn't very nice. If you met him you'd think he was gorgeous, a charmer and a Disney dad but he wasn't. He was never abysmally awful. Never smacked us around but he touched on the edges of violence really. He was violent to dts once. He would never consider himself abusive at all and I think would be really hurt if it was suggested. He was pretty controlling - not to the extent of stopping me going out/monitoring my calls. More to the finding something small wrong every time I cooked, not wanting me on the phone, calling me messy, finding something wrong with the way my hair was, the way I'd washed up, not letting me have extra money for anything. The small things really. I didn't want to upset him. So I tried hard not to.
Anyway the divorce has now started, we're about 6 months in from me filing. We've exchanged financials and his was a joke (he got several things wrong). Anyway, now he's had to see a solicitor he's realising the cost and he doesn't want to keep spending money on solicitors. My solicitor says I should get most of the house because there's 4 of us versus one of him so the equity should be split like that. Today STBXH said he isn't bothered about pensions etc and the bits and bobs but he wants 50% of the equity. He wants us to sort it out ourselves rather than through the solicitors to save the money.
I can't stand up to him. I can't say that I want more than 50%. I can't say that. I have wanted my solicitor to do all the confronting for me as I can't confront STBXH. How do I? I am honestly a strong woman but I can't. I go absolutely frozen at the thought of confronting him. I feel sick now several hours later, more at my utter incompetence than anything. He keeps saying how he's telling his solicitor that he and I talk and it's all nice and we can sort it out. He doesn't know he's manipulative. I don't know what to do. I don't know how to handle him.
Please don't tell me to 'man up'. I need practical advice. Please

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springydaffs · 10/10/2015 22:23

Easy to say wannabe. Genuine q: have you been in an abusive relationship? Maybe you have but there is a certain type of abuser that is chilling.

TendonQueen · 10/10/2015 22:27

Honestly, he knows perfectly well that he's being manipulative. Use the broken record line and the other suggestions here and stick with your solicitor. Could you get contact to take place at a contact centre so they are supervised but not by you?

springydaffs · 10/10/2015 22:27

She doesn't trust him bcs he is not trustworthy.

Sorry op! You can speak for yourself (blush)

wannabestressfree · 10/10/2015 22:41

Yes sadly I have hence my advice to detach...

LalaDipsey · 12/10/2015 16:31

Thanks for replying. I couldn't answer yesterday as spent all day v poorly! I know there will come a time when its not right for him to see them here at the house but he can't take all 3 out - it's a lot for anyone let alone someone who is basically not competent! I know he won't learn if he doesn't try but honestly - he never changed a nappy/ate a meal with them etc. he's not have a clue what to do if one of them needed a poo plus his car won't fit all 3 in. If they're here I know they're ok and he's not yelling at them.
It's not the best thing for me to have him here every week, but I do think it's the best thing for the children. No other way to do it - family don't live close enough to supervise.
I've left a message with the therapist I've seen a few times to hopefully get an appt with her soon to get my backbone up. In the meantime I will practice to leave it with my solicitor and remember he doesn't have to pay one and have one. It's so stupid - I start to shake at the thought of saying no to him and he's been gone for 2.5yrs Hmm

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springydaffs · 12/10/2015 16:48

No, it's not stupid.

I would make it known to relevant ptb you have serious child protection concerns about him having them unsupervised. Really, take this seriously. HV, GP, solicitor, any authority you can think of, to get it documented why you would not want him to have them alone - give examples to support your concerns.

springydaffs · 12/10/2015 16:59

He doesn't need to know. Keep up the 'what, me?' act.

WorzelsCornyBrows · 12/10/2015 18:15

It's not stupid that you can't stand up to him, but the fact that you can't makes it imperative that you keep your solicitor.

Contact regarding DC's is unavoidable, but if he talks financials just tell him to discuss with your solicitor. Don't engage the conversation, don't get sucked in, repeat that he needs to take it up with the solicitor. Eventually he will get the point, but whilst you continue to let him talk financials with you, he'll think it's the best way for him to continue.

Orangeisthenewbanana · 12/10/2015 18:53

If it's necessary for you to see him in your home, how about you just make yourself scarce into another room for the duration? That way you're close enough to keep an ear/eye out, but are minimising the time you spend with him and therefore limiting his chances of manipulating you/guilt tripping you into agreeing to things you're not comfortable with. Or agree with other posters, try to have another friend/family member there so he can't corner you. Even if the two of you have a cuppa in the kitchen while he's with the kids.

If you don't feel able to tell him outright about wanting to stick with your solicitor, maybe take the conveniently clueless approach? "Oh, I'm not sure. Probably best you check that with my solicitor", "my solicitor has the paperwork for that, so you'll have to speak to them about it" etc.

Stay strong. It sounds like you've done so well getting this far, and you are getting closer to being legally untangled from him every single day Flowers

LalaDipsey · 12/10/2015 21:14

Hi yes I've been doing that. I've just had exams so I took my books upstairs to study when he came which kind of worked ok as I could hear what was going on but didn't engage. I think because my exam finished last week I didn't have a 'plan' for something to do this Saturday when he came. I still have studying and there's always cleaning Confusedbut yes, staying out of his way and batting it back to my solicitor makes sense. Thanks

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clam · 12/10/2015 22:47

Gosh, lala, has it really been 2.5 years? I remember your previous threads so well. You've done amazingly well to get shot of him, finally.

Nothing further to add to what others have said, except to say, don't lose sight of how far you've come. You CAN do this!

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