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Casual sex confusion.

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fishfingersinmysandwiches · 10/10/2015 14:30

Ok. Will try to keep this as succinct as possible.

Met man around three years ago. Felt an intense chemistry between us but he was married so obviously nothing could happen. He admitted having feelings for me, things all got a bit fraught, I felt angry and guilty and consequently my behaviour became a little unhinged. I realised we were crossing a line even discussing it, so broke off all contact. I know I didn't behave well and should not have let things get even that far. I was in a terrible place at the time (not trying to excuse myself, just adding some context).

About a year ago he tried contacting me. This time I was in a much better place in terms of self esteem and was swift in shutting him down, telling him if he was still married then I would not contemplate any contact whatsoever between us.

Very recently I discovered through a mutual acquaintance that he had been separated for a while. And in a weak moment I contacted him. He seemed so pleased to hear from me - he has been living apart from his wife for a year, says he is in a good place, and the conversation quickly turned to when we met and how we felt about each other. The intense physical attraction had been mutual he said. He had "wanted me so much" but had not been prepared to engage in an extra-marital affair (as neither had I). But now he was single so was I going to come to him or would he come to me?

He was pretty quick off the mark and the first one to bring up the idea of us getting together. I at first expressed reservations: 1) That it was entirely possible that we would meet and no longer feel the same about each other, and 2) That I had been hurt and confused before and didn't want to go through the same again. That I had had romantic as well as sexual attraction to him and so was wary of having my feelings hurt.

He said he understood and that despite having been separated for a year was probably not ready to commit to anything other than "good times". I had a think about it and replied saying, "Well look, I want good times too" (I do - it's been a long time for me) "so let's just have a weekend together, see how it goes (after all we may no longer even fancy each other) and then if it looks like things are going to get too complicated at any point we always have the option to knock it on the head?"

He says yes. Of course he wants to see me so let's do that. And let's see each other as soon as possible. He is hellishly busy but will get back to me with a weekend he can do asap. I say great. Can't wait.

That was a week ago. And I've heard nothing since.

I'm not asking for advice on a plan of action. I've already decided I will not contact him. If he wants to see me he will contact me, and if he doesn't then me contacting him to ask whyyyyy won't help and will just be humiliating.

But I would like some help trying to understand. I have agreed to giving a casual relationship a try. And I really am honestly prepared to give it a try. He doesn't have to want me for a girlfriend - I just really really want to finally consummate this attraction between us (the thought is so exciting I can barely contain myself). If that's all it is then ok. I can deal. But now it seems he doesn't want to and I just don't understand. Why would any man who wanted any woman as much as he says he did me, not want to have sex?

Did I imagine this chemistry? Impossible I think - those kind of sparks can't be faked. He is lying that he felt it too? Is he just busy and taking his time making plans (in which case why isn't he more enthusiastic?) Is he worried that it will inevitably result in some kind of negative fall out? And if he has changed his mind, why doesn't he just say?

I refuse to go crawling to him for answers and so have posted here. Thank you for reading. Would appreciate all and any thoughts.

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fishfingersinmysandwiches · 11/10/2015 13:34

Yes Goawayalready that fits with the timeline of events. I think it's likely he tried to contact me in the midst of, or immediately after, his separation. However, what I said was that if he was still married I was not prepared to have any contact whatsoever. He didn't push it. He didn't say, 'But I'm in the midst of separating'. It wouldn't have made any difference anyway. I wouldn't have considered contact until I knew he had been living separately from his wife for at least a few months.

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Blodss · 11/10/2015 16:41

He could be in a relationship with someone else now which is why you haven't heard from him and why he doesn't want a relationship with you.
Listen to what he is saying. He doesn't want a relationship.
You do. That is why you are going over it and over it. You want more than he is willing or wants to give.
Having sex with him will make you feel worse. You will want more.

MakeThemEatCake · 11/10/2015 18:12

I completely relate to this and have been there, years ago. I honestly think OP, this has gut wrenching fucked up vodka drinking heartbreak written all over it!
I think you'll get hurt if you meet up with him, nothing to do with men vs women and sexual liberation, I'd say exactly the same to a man.

I get that you've got a build up of sparks between you and its pretty much near impossible to stop yourself trying to make it happen with someone you've got all that tension with. But just go into in with your eyes open if you go ahead.

Playing devils advocate, I do have a wild side and when younger would always think 'fuck it' because you only live once and its all part of lifes tapestry to look back on, so I DO understand that need for excitement with someone you really fancy.

As for why he's gone quiet, I do agree with PP suggestions, he might be backing off because he knows you want more and he definitely doesn't, or could be seeing other people, or just busy with his kids and work.

I think you're right to not contact him. Wait to see what he does next and when you next see him weigh it up, the experience vs the feelings after.

MakeThemEatCake · 11/10/2015 18:14

Sorry I meant when you next speak to him.

SionnachDana · 11/10/2015 18:30

OP if it makes you feel any better, I'm sitting on my hands at the moment as well. A friend is checking in with me regularly to remind me to to sit on my hands! I went on a date with a man at the end of August. I knew he was busy (he had two jobs at the time). He said up front before we met that it'd be 9 days before he was free to go out again. Then about 13 days later, he texted me and we arranged to meet up. We arranged it and I was so looking forward to it! He was great company, seemed warm, funny, open, clever, quirky.... not incredibly handsome but attractive. Then he cancelled the date due to work! He said. The temptation to contact him and say 'so what happened, thought you might reschedule!?" is massive. BUT I won't because I think I made it clear I liked him. It was clear I liked him enough to go out with him again. I am trying to just forget about him.
So, different set up, but I'm just pushing it out of my mind. Last Tuesday I went on a date with quite an underwhelming man and I really badly wanted to text the guy who I'd clicked with but I resisted it. The contrast between the two dates was massive. It didn't make me forget! It highlighted how much I preferred the first guy! Argh, it was hard.

Sometimes i hate being a woman, it's so passive!

DisillusionedGoat · 11/10/2015 18:43

Sometimes i hate being a woman, it's so passive! No. You are making active choices to take care of yourself Sion. Not passive in the slightest imo

SionnachDana · 11/10/2015 18:51

Yeh... i guess... and in the past once or twice i have taken a risk and asked a man out but if i do that i have to be robust enough to take a rejection, like men have to risk when they ask / initiate.

On this occasion, i think i could handle him not replying. It's more that going out on a limb never seemsto lead to the date i was hoping it would lead to.
Does it ever work :-/ asking men out? Being the one to suggest another date?
I must say 2015 or not it doesnt workfor me... and im lovely Grin

fishfingersinmysandwiches · 11/10/2015 19:25

Hey SionnachDana yes it does make me feel better - thanks! We can sit on our hands together Smile

Thanks so much to everyone who's posted. I appreciate the support.

I seem to be in a constant state of, ahem, arousal, just thinking about the possibility of getting together with him. I've only ever experienced this degree of attraction to a few people in my life and it's never gone well. It's too intense to be healthy. It stops you thinking straight.

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Elendon · 11/10/2015 19:53

He's shagging someone else who feels exactly like you do.

You're sharing his penis for sure. But, it makes you feel good, you feel in a constant state of arousal thinking of him, but he's obviously aroused by you and others and he's obviously never there for you

Been there; and I've actually got three children as a result, plus the divorce papers.

Take care. He certainly won't be taking care of you.

Gabilan · 11/10/2015 19:57

"He's shagging someone else who feels exactly like you do."

He may well be having sex with someone else, but we don't know that and certainly don't know how she feels.

"You're sharing his penis for sure"

Well no, if only for the reason that she hasn't slept with him yet.

ThisIsStillFolkGirl · 12/10/2015 06:10

Projecting much, Elendon?

OP, this doesn't sound like a good idea to me at all.

I just want to pick up the comments about women being told they "are worth more". Sex isn't something women exchange for anything, no, but I read an awful lot of posts on here where a woman has hoped that having sex with a man would have lead to a relationship. A person is worth more than being used and manipulated. Anyone would be 'worth more' if there is an emotional/power imbalance in a relationship and there quite clearly is here.

Some people can't see what is right in front of them and still hold out hope. OP, you are emotionally invested in this man, whatever you say/think, because you are in here talking about it/him and processing it.

When I have had an active fwb, I've never worried about the emotional aspect. That's the whole point! I suspect that, after what happened last time, you have scared him a little. Not because you are a crazy irrational woman, but because your response was disproportionate to what he did. A "Yeah? Well we didn't meet 15 years ago and you're married. Please don't contact me again" would have been a far more appropriate response.

If you're not in contact between as friends, then any getting together would be on a fuck buddy basis rather than a fwb. And he isn't free to meet you for sex yet.

fishfingersinmysandwiches · 12/10/2015 06:38

Fair enough FolkGirl. I can see that what you say makes sense.

But I don't think it's a case of him not being free to meet me. Or actually, I do, but the fact is he hasn't got in touch to let me know. This was never going to be a quick phone call and, 'Do you want to come over tomorrow?' We live hours away, were planning on spending a whole weekend, had both agreed that we needed two weeks notice as we both have busy lives that need juggling around to make space, and it's now over a week ago that he said he would check his diary (which is the size of "War and Peace" apparently) and let me know when the nearest weekend he could do was.

I think he's just changed his mind. Or was never serious in the first place and just playing with me.

My head knows absolutely that this is for the best. And that probably in a years time I'll be thanking my stars I didn't go there. But right now my overwhelming feelings are of confusion, embarrassment (I was so keen), and bitter disappointment. I want to ask him why he said all the things he did? Why did he make arrangements if he had no intention of following them through? Does he get a kick out of hurting and disappointing me? Is it that it makes him feel powerful? Obviously I'm not going to, but that's what I would like to ask.

I am emotionally invested of course. Because why would I be so gutted if I wasn't. But there's some serious pride and ego denting going on here too. He clearly finds me very resistable whereas the same is not true the other way around. Ouch.

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SurferJet · 12/10/2015 06:50

Why don't you contact him?
you haven't got anything to lose really.
Just text him saying 'hi, how are you?'

I would - if I liked him that much.

Baconyum · 12/10/2015 07:05

Such a bad bad idea for you to gave any more to do with him. You're already emotionally invested, you've said you can't separate sex from emotion, its clearly really bothering you that he didn't set something up asap, he's pretty much said to you he just wants a shag. I'd lay money the reason you've not slept with or had a relationship with anyone else in the last three years is because of how you feel about him, consciously or unconsciously.

Some of us can do casual sex I do it very well I think Grin but its not for everyone. And its definitely not for you with this guy or anyone else.

ThisIsStillFolkGirl · 12/10/2015 07:13

He doesn't need/have to contact you in between. That's the point.

fishfingersinmysandwiches · 12/10/2015 07:13

SurferJet Pride. Because I feel the power imbalance in our relationship so keenly I guess. And I know that if I contact him, all I am doing is reinforcing that. Because I feel pathetic contacting him to ask, "But whyyyyy?" Because I am unlikely to get the truth anyway. Because it may prolong it all if he says, "Don't be silly, of course I want to see you, I'll let you know asap when's good for me" and then doesn't contact me and I'm back at the beginning again, waiting. And because I'm trying to change a pattern in my own behaviour, which is that I tend always to be the person doing the running. I just don't want to give him the satisfaction.

And, if I'm going to be really honest, because I believe that running after him will make him less likely to want to see me.

At least on here I can be pathetic on a fairy anonymous basis Grin

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fishfingersinmysandwiches · 12/10/2015 07:16

Baconyum How do you do it? Can you do it with people you're really attracted to? You need to teach me the ways of the compartmentalising Grin

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SurferJet · 12/10/2015 08:03

Text him!
you don't have to be all pathetic & needy - just say ' hi, how's' things?'

I feel like texting him for you Grin

NationalTrustLadyGardens · 12/10/2015 08:11

IME women don't cope well with casual sex even when they try to convince themselves they do and that it's all absolutely cool. If you are this upset and analysing every tiny detail over a week of non-contact when you haven't even had casual sex yet, I can't see it working well, sorry. I'd drop it if I were you and move on.

fishfingersinmysandwiches · 12/10/2015 11:00

Thing is Surfer, it's not just a 'hi how's things' though is it? It would be transparently a case of me giving him a nudge whilst trying to pretend I'm not. I'm not going to do that. If he never contacts me again the one little thing I have that will enable me to hold my head up is the fact that at least I didn't go chasing after him. I'm not giving that up.

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birdsdestiny · 12/10/2015 13:23

Please don't text him. In the past it is the texts I have sent that I regret, not the ones I haven't. Even a casual hi how are you, will send a clear message to him, and not a good one. You are right much better to obsess on here.

SurferJet · 12/10/2015 13:39

Normally I'd agree with not texting - but this is someone you've known on & off for 3 years, plus he contacted you the last time.
You can text someone and not lose all dignity you know - play it cool & casual. By not texting you're keeping the intrigue & mystery going. He could text back saying, 'sorry I haven't been in touch, I've been in hospital having my haemorrhoids sorted' ( passion killed instantly )
Or he replies positively & seems really pleased to hear from you - or, he doesn't reply at all - but so what? Is it really the end of the world?
I'd text him for my own sake not his. I'd want to know how he'd react. & hell, if he replies you can always ignore it Grin ( which is probably what I'd do

SionnachDana · 12/10/2015 13:57

But surferjet, they've basically discussed having sex!! so any 'hello how are you?' is going to read 'have sex with me, even though I know you don't want to be with me'.

I am all for texting men if you can handle the rejection. but I mean being rejected for a DATE. As in, wanna go out? no. Ok. For me in that situation, that's brave, and now you know. But this guy knows she wants more I reckon.

SurferJet · 12/10/2015 14:07

I'd still text. If he ignores me then fine, I'd get over it, & it's some sort of closure in a way, which I think the op needs.

yes rejection is awful, but sometimes you have to face it before you can properly move on.

donajimena · 12/10/2015 15:57

Really surfer ? Why stop at texting? Why not turn up starkers with a big ribbon and bow on? I'm all for nothing ventured nothing gained but in this situation it would smack of desperation.