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Is there no hope for this relationship?

44 replies

cunojarvi · 04/10/2015 16:41

This is going to be a long story but I need people to talk to.
Some background. I have been with my DP for 2 years. He is 10 years younger than me (he is middle 20s). We have had a very loving relationship but we have had a lot of external problems along the way. My DM died of cancer only 3 months into our relationship. I had a lot to sort out with my DF and the house and so on.
We live in a valley in a foreign country. I own a flat in one village. He lives in bedsit in his parent's house in the next village. Due to this, he has been pretty much living full time in my flat with me.
Due to village rivalries there was hell on when we got together. I was bullied out of a music group I was in due to this - people blanking me, spreading malicious gossip and so on. I was devastated. I had just lost my mother and then they did that. Other village people spread lies around about me being an alcoholic and promiscuous (I am neither).
Meanwhile his family went ballistic with him. His parents were hideous to me at first but came round after a while. His brother has said 3 words to me in 2 years - completely blanks me. His sister is horrendous - I can't even begin to write down the things she has done and said.

He has been very supportive and we have helped each other through this. He has lots of problems with his work and also in his village. The main problem is he does too many activities outside of work and is permanently exhausted - he is a member of 5 different groups which meet regularly and is on the committee of 4 groups. On top of this there are all kinds of things he does on an irregular basis. It means he is out every night of the week and most weekends.
He regularly ends up crying in the evenings with the stress. I try to help him but the only thing that is going to help is if he gives up some of the activities.
About 6 months ago, he said he wanted us to take things a bit slower and he wanted more time in his village because he was feeling overwhelmed. We discussed this and agreed to it. He also wanted me to consider moving in to a flat in his parents' house (they have a massive house!) which his brother used to live in.
We spent more time in his village but his sister began to make life hell for us (she doesn't even live there) and his parents said I would have to get rid of my cats. (No way!) So after a while DP had had enough and said, let's forget this idea and then he ended up staying permanently at mine again. He had a lot of freedom but also made time for me - we agreed to keeping Thursdays free to have time together. I also began to recover from my mother's death and because my village had excluded me I started two new activities in nearby towns which I love.

Now just before our holiday we argued twice. Once was because he has begun coming along to one of my new activities (it is a musical group) as a substitute but he has been unreliable and leaving me to explain which is very embarrassing and I love the group and do not want them to think badly of us. The other time was because he has taken on yet another activity - organizing a youth group. This will meet on Thursdays which is when we were supposed to have time together. Another man is co-organizer and although DP said that day was no good and he could do days X, Y and Z, he said no can do. DP then agreed to a compromise with me that he would not go every week so we could have time together if the other man could not compromise on the day.
Result of this is other man has gone AWOL, DP has had to do it every week since our holiday.
We had 3 weeks amazing holiday - he was so loving and so relaxed. Talked about our future together.
2 weeks after arriving back, this Monday he announces he would rather give me up than any of his other activities so he wants a break until January and he wants to live in his own village in his bedsit. Says it's over.
He did this by phone. I said I would like to talk about this and have some questions and discuss what happened.
Monday afternoon he writes sms saying he loves me, he misses me. Monday evening he was at his parents'. Monday 11pm he phones and says it's over.
He has been coming and going all week but not long enough to discuss anything. Tuesday night he cried all night and said his heart was broken.
He went off on Friday morning to his parents' and has had a weekend of various activities in his village. He said he would come back this afternoon to talk to me. No sign and no sms.

It's hopeless isn't is? Any words of wisdom or support?
This is just a bizarre situation this week.

OP posts:
LeaveMyWingsBehindMe · 04/10/2015 18:30

I had no idea they were so weird in Sweden. Confused

DaemonPantalaemon · 04/10/2015 19:46

Are you sure it's Europe? It's sounding like the back of beyond in Papua New Guinea or deepest tribal Africa

What the fuck is deepest tribal Africa? Is it not possible to express your surprise LeaveMyWingsBehindMe without maligning an entire continent of 50 plus countries??

eddielizzard · 04/10/2015 19:54

this is not healthy is it? your town is completely unsupportive of you and very unlikely to change. i think the best would be to move to one of the two villages where you have your groups.

i'd ask him to stop going to your group. he's unreliable as it is. just remember, you aren't responsible for him and you don't need to make excuses for him. you shrug your shoulders and say 'gosh, he doesn't seem very reliable does he! shall we find someone else?'. job done.

it also sounds to me like his family has got to him and made him break up with you. awful though it is, i think you've had a lucky escape because a lifetime of active bullying from everyone around is going to wear you down.

as hard mentally as this is, it's got to be easier to make a new start than keep dealing with all this shit.

BigHairySpider · 04/10/2015 19:58

Leave the village and go live in the town. I speak as someone who grew up in a village full of strange people.

cunojarvi · 04/10/2015 20:23

Well it is getting late here and no sign of him. No message. I have not packed his stuff and delivered to his village because I can't be bothered. It is dark and cold outside and I am nice and warm here with the cats. If he wants his stuff back he can turn up and collect it by himself. He has an estate car - he'll get all of it in in one load.

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marzipan123 · 04/10/2015 21:01

Hope dies last.

How many times have I heard the excuses. I know he really loves me. He's not always like that. He's had a bad childhood. He's just going through a bad time.

Never mind packing your car with his stuff. Just pack your car with your stuff and drive!! In the opposite direction from his house.

He's an immature boy. Are you wanting a child to care for?

cunojarvi · 04/10/2015 21:12

His stuff is in MY flat. That is why I was talking about packing it. I'm not packing it with my stuff and driving off because I own the flat.
But I'm actually not going to pack it with anything. He can come and here and collect it.

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expatinscotland · 04/10/2015 21:21

I would get the hell out of there fast. This relationship is a life zapper.

Gabilan · 04/10/2015 21:43

Are you sure it's Europe? It's sounding like the back of beyond in Papua New Guinea or deepest tribal Africa!

Seriously? What on earth makes you think that people in PNG or "tribal Africa" would behave in such a way? Do you somehow think that Europeans are more "advanced" when it comes to village life?

LeaveMyWingsBehindMe · 05/10/2015 03:48

Yes I do. Do you really want me to sit here all morning posting links to explain why?

JoyceDivision · 05/10/2015 03:58

You're in your 30s and putting up with this for a relationship??

Run. Like the wind.

cunojarvi · 05/10/2015 05:56

Ok update. It's over.
He eventually phoned at 11:30 pm. Still did not want to talk but I got it out of him. Then he came round and was here overnight.
This evening we will be packing his stuff together and he is going.
Turns out he has been emailing two women who live in other parts of the country and wants to meet up with them for some "fun". In order not to cheat on me, he has to break up with me first. Then he will first one of the women one weekend and the other the next. He says he wants to do "lots of stuff" with "lot of women" and that his previous reasons for wanting to split - ie. me supposedly saying he had to cut back on his hobbies - were not the real reasons.
And then he admitted he visited a brother in winter with his workmates several times.... claims that is normal in this culture and that because they work long hours, then go for a drink it is perfectly normal (and a part of the job - yes he really said that) that they go to the brothel afterwards for some fun. Claims that it wasn't because I wasn't good enough, or pretty enough or anything else - it is simply a case of workmates having a laugh together and they all do it even though they have girlfriends, wives and children at home.

This morning I just feel a HUGE sense of relief and can move on with my life. Yes we had some wonderful times but I don't want to be with someone with an attitude to women like that.

Thanks to all who posted and kept me strong during the night. My resolve did not weaken once even when he was saying something about an "open relationship".
And now I never have to deal with his hideous sister ever again!

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cunojarvi · 05/10/2015 05:57

brothel not brother!!

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Limer · 05/10/2015 07:37

Dodged a bullet there Cuno. You're well rid.

Hope the two new women figure him out quickly too.

Trills · 05/10/2015 08:09

Next tip : STI test.

Although does that mean that all the people in your village wlll know you've been for one?

The villages and community sound AWFUL.

TarkaDarling · 05/10/2015 08:56

wow, massive bullet dodge indeed!

what a horrendous place to live.

cunojarvi · 05/10/2015 11:18

Still feel sick.

Yes, trills STI test but I will definitely not be going to the doctor in the village. Have a GP in the town anyway for the very reason that people gossip all the time. You can also not buy anything from the pharmacy without everyone knowing.

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Gabilan · 05/10/2015 13:48

"Do you really want me to sit here all morning posting links to explain why?"

No, not really. The internet is a great place to find all sorts of links. If you like, I can go out and find you definitive proof that dinosaurs do not exist, the world is run by lizards and that the moon landings are a hoax because the flag wiggles around and it shouldn't because there's no atmosphere. I don't really want an explanation as to why you think "deepest tribal Africa" a. exists and b. is somehow more backward/ less civilized that Europe in its entirety.

I would just bear in mind that genocide has taken place really very recently within Europe and that's without mentioning the holocaust. Added to which many of the problems within Africa were caused by European colonialism and attempts to spread something quite narrowly defined as civilization. And I can well believe that the problems the OP experienced were within European valleys.

OP good luck. I hope you can move on. And maybe back to a bigger town!

springydaffs · 05/10/2015 14:52

Well said Gabilan.

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