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Careful what you wish for?

15 replies

MumoftheBoulevard · 01/10/2015 14:11

Hi All I am a regular reader, but not poster. I joined recently to support the Syria refugee petition as I felt so strongly about it. Anyway desperately looking to untangle my current situation and find a way forward. I will try to keep it as brief as I can. Was common-law married with two children for over 10 years. One child now ten, one child a toddler. Around two years into the relationship (so almost 12 years ago now) I had a one night stand. DP was very hurt but we had a small child at the time and we were only young (both 23) so we decided (and DP forgave) so we should carry on.

Backstory is my mum was killed in a tragic accident and also lost best childhood friend within six months, also having had a small child and studying for a degree while working full time was a perfect storm of shit and I think this led me to a bit of a watershed "shit what am I doing my life is going down the toilet" moment which led to wild night out and said ONS. Anyway, we moved on. We had some happy times after this which culminated in the birth of DC2 three yrs ago.. I was very ill having DC2 and it placed a huge strain on the family. I nearly died. DC2 was very premature. We coped and were quite delighted with our now complete family.

Fast forward to when DC2 was around 18 months old, Christmas Eve. My DP sat me down after the children had gone to bed and told me that he was leaving me in the New Year. He hadnt been happy for many years. We werent "in love". I was completely floored. We had a tough ride really and bought a house that needed a lot of work when DC2 was just a few months old, that coincided with me returning to work full time, DP has his own business and that was challenging, plus DC 1 at school etc. I just felt we had become a little disconnected. I didnt see it coming. His words were "I want perfect and you are not it". He swore there was no-one else he was just desperate to get away and didnt like family life with me although he did love his children. I just fell into deep panic stricken depression. I felt I had let my children down by not hanging onto him, I felt I had nothing to offer them. I ended up on antidepressants.

Slowly as the winter turned into Spring I slowly with the help of lots of caring friends began to unfreeze and start slowly socialising again. I still had rock bottom confidence and was prone to drunk texting my ex a lot. My misery deepened when he would occasionally sleep with me and give me mixed messages about coming home. Then came the bombshell three months later that he had someone else. Someone he had known for a long time. I was so gutted. It was clear Id been a victim of The Script. He had slated our relationship, our home, our family. He had denounced everything I held dear. Said it made him unhappy... Real reason? Some girl in the background. I was so upset and devastated. He was guilt ridden and after introducing the children to her twice suddenly dumped her and tried to get back together with me. It didnt work unsurprisingly. We had several attempts at reconciliation. All failed.

Christmas last year he was living on his own and having the children every other weekend. Things were sad because I hadnt fully moved on, did have one occasional boyfriend who was more company for me than anything else to be honest but he was still stringing me along that we might get back together. Still steadfastly denying any other relationship. In April a friend broke it to me that he was seeing someone and had been for quite a while but the new GF was losing heart because he kept on about me all the time. I went mad because he had lied to me again. He denied denied denied. Anyway stupidly I took him back only for him to begin using violence. He is claiming to be mentally ill and says I made him that way. He says the only thing that will fix him is if he gets his family back. Only I think he may have pushed me too far this time. I am trying to be happily back together but the light has gone out of it for me. If Im honest I miss the occasional boyfriend I had last year who has gracefully bowed out as I told him I needed to try this one more time for the family I lost. Things are so much more easy going with him.

Ex/Current DP is a deeply unhappy person who is attending counselling and needs antidepressants. He reiterates the fact constantly that it was my infidelity years ago that has made him this way, Is there any hope or should I put the final nail into the coffin and wave goodbye once and for all? Sorry its epic.

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LittleRedSparke · 01/10/2015 14:17

", Is there any hope or should I put the final nail into the coffin and wave goodbye once and for all?"

I'd steer very clear personally, basically because you havent said anything nice about him, (not attacking you here, maybe you cannot see anything nice)

on"We had several attempts at reconciliation. All failed."
"Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again but expecting different results."

RiceCrispieTreats · 01/10/2015 14:24

He has been violent?

No, there is no future to be had with him.

DarkRosaleen · 01/10/2015 14:34

Little Red has said exactly what I think with quoting Einstein regarding insanity.
You have tried and failed and tried and failed. Your heart doesn't seem in it
(I'd give your occasional BF a call and see if he wants a coffee)

MumoftheBoulevard · 01/10/2015 14:37

Thanks for the answers. Unfortunately he is back at the moment and being very suffocating and possessive. I dont feel I can break it to him that I dont want to be with him anymore. Wish I wasnt such a coward. Also the kids will be so upset.. Feel like a failure and so weak for allowing him back again.

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RiceCrispieTreats · 01/10/2015 15:49

Calling yourself a coward doesn't solve any problems, and will only make you feel even worse. Sadly, I think you're directing anger at the wrong person here.

I'm sorry that you are living with someone suffocating, possessive, and violent. You deserve better. I hope that you may come to believe that for yourself.

hellsbellsmelons · 01/10/2015 15:55

Is there any hope??
Nope!
How can he blame your infidelity for his cheating and abusive ways?
If it was sooo devastating for him how is it he could do the very same to you?
It's all bollox designed to fill you with guilt and stay with him.

What does he bring?

Negativity
Lies
Violence
Infidelity (to you and to his exP with you!)
Unhappiness
Blackmail
Moodiness
Depression
Jealousy
Suffocation
Possessiveness
And you've only posted twice so far!

This is no way for you and your DC to live.
Please contact Womens Aid and get their help to get him out safely.

It wasn't cowardice to take him back.
I always think giving your all to try to make things work is the far harder option. Especially when you get nothing back.
You cannot make this work on your own.
He is an abuser in every sense of the word and no-one on here is going to advise you to stay.

Please please call WA today and exit plan together.

AnyFucker · 01/10/2015 16:13

You are doing your kids no favours at all, either of you

You are both Co dependent and unhealthy for each other

The nail in the coffin should be the violence but uou should have eked away a long time ago

I expect your kids don't know their are from their elbow and to see their mum taking punishment for something she did years ago is going to fuck them up good and proper

You really need to exit this toxic situation, for their sakes

AnyFucker · 01/10/2015 16:14

*ARSE

pocketsaviour · 01/10/2015 19:27

You need to get out of this as soon as you can OP, because whether he's ill or just an abusive violent man, you and your DC are in danger.

Can you phone Womens Aid? They can help you make a plan to leave and keep him out.

MumoftheBoulevard · 02/10/2015 09:08

I have some questions about the "exit plan". I have stayed in the family home, paid the mortgage all on my own since the split in 2013. He has ceased to use the joint bank account and does not pay anything towards the house except DC 2 nursery bill each month. No maintenance. I would like to stay in my home. He keeps alluding to the fact that if I dont stay with him I will have to sell. I dont think I will have to because I think with a bit of stretching I could afford it. Would I have to buy him out? We were only in the house 12 months before he left me. I do not want to uproot the children again from their home.

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MumoftheBoulevard · 02/10/2015 09:08

I know I have to get out by the way but I am scared of upsetting the children and also of his unpredictable state of mind.

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Sighing · 02/10/2015 10:35

The trust is completely dead. There just cannot be a relationship. The violence will never stop. It's never a one off. Children need to be protected from that sort of home environment.
The children will be better with stability - this up and down dynamic needs to be stopped do they can have stable ground.
Once out of a relationship you need to remind yourself HE may have many "reasons" for his state of mind. Only HE is responsible for his behaviour and treatment of others. He needs to seek (appropriate) support and alluding to threats are not behaviour to show commitment to resolving problems. It just shows thst is him. Who he is. Manipulating facts and scenarios to lord it over you.
Are you married? Whose name is the house in?
Get actual advice about your situation. Assume he's just posturing/ threatening because that is who he is. He is not a victim. You owe him nothing. Don't let your family be his victims.

MumoftheBoulevard · 02/10/2015 12:31

House in joint names. Not married.

So do I just ask him to leave?

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RiceCrispieTreats · 02/10/2015 13:57

I think you should phone Women's Aid for advice.

One important aspect to consider is that he may step up the violence if you make it clear that you want to split and want him to move out. Abusive men lash out when they feel they are losing control.

I can't figure out from your posts if your house is his residence. If it is then it will be very difficult to get him out legally (unless there are court orders, but you're not down that path yet).

IME, the most effective thing to use is ruse: get him out of the house by telling him that you are fucked up and you need time on your own to work on your issues so that you can be a better partner to him. You naturally stay in the house because you're also the one who takes care of the DC. Once he has another residence (and is paying rent and/or bills there to prove it), then you have cause to keep him out of the house. People can't really be kicked out of the place where they are resident, but if he is resident somewhere else, then he can't claim entry into your home even if he part-owns it (the same way that a landlord can't swan into a renter's home: they may own it, but they don't live there).

But please get advice from the likes of Women's Aid and CAB in order to really know your rights and your options. You are dealing with a violent and unstable man who wants to control you more than he wants to hear reason, and you need to be careful and to gather all the support and informed advice that you can get.

RedMapleLeaf · 03/10/2015 15:12

You need to see a solicitor quickly. Even there be little you can do about the house.

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