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Making the decision to split

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nameofcrones · 21/09/2015 14:59

Hi - I wrote the long post below after yet another upsetting blow up at the weekend with DH. Now seeing my feelings written down makes it blindingly obvious I need to take some action wrt separating. So how did you screw up your courage to take action, if you've been in the same not-actual-abuse situation? Post is massive and rambling, you don't need to read it, it was cathartic to get it out.
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Together with DH 15yr, married 10yr, 2 DC primary age. I think about separating all the time. DH's recurring, ranting, critical behaviour is stressful and wearing, daily life is more relaxed and enjoyable when he's not here. I've posted under a different name about his breakdown due to anxiety at the start of last year. Last year was also awful due to a family death. But the atmosphere was already going on 3 years ago and earlier. I absolutely hate the idea of the DCs living between two homes, mainly because I perceive myself as protecting them from DH ranting and can't do that with shared residency. At the same time I am miserable. Each time a bad situation happens, I think I have to divorce, no other option. Then, maybe half an hour later, DH is lighthearted again, like nothing happened, and I doubt myself.

The worst part is DH haranging the 8yr old until she is so frustrated she is in tears and trying to answer back. He just goes on and on, lots of 'you always..' 'you'll never...' sweeping statements. He says 'Why do you always make me shout at you?' DS gets upset and has started to shout 'stop arguing'. DH often says the DC 'never listen' to him. He can't seem to moderate his behaviour, or understand why they shut down and ignore him - it's their only defence when he is haranging them. He doesn't fully shout, but it's the same effect, loud, emphatic and relentless, often starting up again five minutes later when anyone else would have moved on. Often compares them to their face to other children in terms of achievement, especially in sports. Says out loud 'I can't get anything done' and has also said more than once that having children has ruined his life, in earshot of them. I have explained that it is up to him, as the adult, to change the way he interacts. I lent him the 'how to talk so kids will listen...' book, then the photocopied 'quick guide' pages when he didn't read the book, I don't think any of it was absorbed. I hate this behaviour of his more than anything. The haranging can start instantly, the kids are in the wrong immediately some days. I get the feeling, especially if it's his turn to take to a lesson, he makes such a fuss so that he can storm out with just one child, leaving the other behind 'if you don't come now, I'm going without you', or not going at all so I'll take them myself at the last minute.

I get the 'why haven't you done...' nitpicking e.g. washing up, laundry started but not yet finished, etc. I do the bulk of the cleaning, food shopping, cooking, and work 5 days part time. This is such a cliche, the sharing of housework. DH will pick on one small thing, complain on and on, then say loudly 'I always have to do everything'. This is so painfully unfair, and happens so often I've given up justifying myself. It's also hard to keep mentally afloat when everything about our life/house is constantly referred to as 'shit'. We live in a shit house apparently, it's dirty (no), other people's houses are always better, their lives are better, their children are better etc etc. Often rather grand sweeping statements to support the complaint, not really rationally looking at the facts. Or considering how he could change things to meet this ideal he's searching for. I split the housework into 10 mins a day each, 6 days a week. He couldn't be bothered to stick with that. He does work long days, but there is usually time for an hour of tv.

I'm also often told I'll die of, variously, heart disease, cancer, diabetes, stroke, repeatedly. With that list, he's hardly clairvoyant if he's right, but he's clear it will be my fault, not just the way life pans out, for not taking exercise and eating properly. My diet is fine, I cook veg or serve salad with meals. I'm miserable so I eat cake too. I'm heavier than I used to be but not overweight. I would be really sexy if I was really thin he tells me. I should also dress like the women he sees out in town and describes in detail. DH describes me as negative, never wants to do anything, never wants to plan, at the same time I'm 'lovely' and a 'brilliant mother', especially if he is having a moment of insecurity about something else in life. I was injured out of the blue recently and stuck in bed, this was also my fault, the shouting at the children reached new heights to the point of tears from both of them before school most days. I waited a long time for a drink in the morning, let alone breakfast some days. He was in the same situation but a bit worse earlier in the year, and I looked after him really well, balancing school & work, making sure he wasn't left alone. It was just so miserably disappointing. There is no supportive spouse here in the full sense, the bare minimum and two shared wage packets, no team. If I'm upset about something I wouldn't go to DH.

Unsurprisingly, I can't stand him to touch me. DTD last 3.5yrs ago, and several years gap prior to that. He has never been that interested, not really the point of this post though.

DH works, fairly stressful job, and went back to work very soon after the nervous breakdown. He wouldn't last 5 minutes treating colleagues like he treats us. And yet there are periods when he is joking with the kids, or taking them out, and everything is nice.

I am sad because I've become switched off and defensive, almost numb. Or if I'm really upset, I make sniping comments back to him to try and get him to stop ranting, and I'm not a bitch, but this is definitely twisting me into one. Horrible thoughts. He's gone away for the week. If there was a magic way to become a single parent without any of the fallout I would do it. I'm not a coward, but I'm scared of taking the next step.

OP posts:
goddessofsmallthings · 22/09/2015 07:09

What are you scared of?

It may help if you articulate your thoughts here because it's obvious that you have no option but to take the next step in order to protect your dc, both of whom may benefit from therapy to alleviate and redress the damage their bullying father has already done to them.

In the meantime it's to be hoped that he gets swept off his feet by an ow while he's away and leaves the marital home of his own accord.

Granville72 · 22/09/2015 10:19

My split had been coming for a long time but I kept putting it off for the sake of our son thinking it would be better to keep the family together. It finally came to a head after a brief few cross words, more threats from him to sell the house, toys thrown out the pram because he couldn't get his own way or take responsibility as a family. So I called it a day. I just couldn't do it anymore.

In reality it will never work when only one person is putting the effort in and the other has so little respect for you speaks with such little regard to you.

It's been far from easy, we lost our home, I was promptly put out of business because of that and finances have been a real struggle. I just wish I'd done it sooner.

nameofcrones · 22/09/2015 11:11

Thanks. I am scared and miserable at the thought of being the 'bad guy' breaking up the family, hurting my children and our extended family by the split. Of somehow misunderstanding the situation and over reacting because I haven't got the right sense of proportion about it (really hard to explain this bit. Hence putting it on Mnet!). I think, if I hadn't been so naive when we got together, then I wouldn't have married him. I loved him, but there were things back then that I thought would improve with time and didn't. Therefore, this is all my fault, IYSWIM. Like you Granville, I keep going for the children.
I feel obliged to organise some relationship counselling to show the family I've (we've) 'worked at it'. Justifying a split to my family/DH family seems unlikely. Just don't imagine ever fancying DH again tbh. I think co-parenting might work OK, maybe DH will be shocked into changing his behaviour and find a better way to interact with the kids. They are usually pleased to see him; when he's being nice he's lovely with them (classic MNet line, I know).

I don't want DD to grow up thinking shouty overbearing behaviour is normal from a person that is also telling her he loves her though, nor DS, but DD is older and gets the brunt of it.
I could ask DH to go and have more counselling for anxiety which might control the constant overreactions, not that this would fix our relationship. It has been totally relaxed at home in his absence, including all the getting ready for school/bed time routine. Have had a few moments of feeling tense, then remember he's not home for days! Mentally it's a bit like being braced for defence.

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bjrce · 22/09/2015 17:08

Op, how long do you see yourself living like this, I had an uncle like this years ago, ( its years since I've seen him, thank God), he was always screaming at my cousins, really nasty and negative type of man, and even as a child I could see the abuse they got from him just wasn't right, the house was so much calmer when he wasn't there, I can still remember the fear and silence coming over the room when he walked in, he was a bastard! My aunt is still with him, but a lot of the kids have had severe emotional problems, a few have had to be hospitalised and are on antidepressants, I know two of them have issues with alcohol, are your children afraid of him? If they are, I am telling you now, you are going them no good staying with him, they will never thank you for staying with a bully and that's what my uncle was. I really wish you all the best.

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