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Was this abuse?

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MyGastIsFlabbered · 18/09/2015 17:47

I split up with exH 6 months ago, for a number of reasons. I'm still under the Mental Health team and spoke to my main contact today. He wants to put me in contact with one of their teams who deal with abuse. But in my head abuse is violence, name calling etc, none of which my ex did. I've outlined some of his behaviour below, but it seems so small and petty compared with some examples of abuse.

2 years ago we attended Relate (at my insistence) to address the problems in our relationship that were already evident. T made lots of promises at the time but his behaviour didn't change. This eventually led to a sharp decline in my mental health, to the point where I had to be under the care of the Crisis Team. During this period T was very unsupportive, and in fact refused to take time off work and seemed surprised that I wanted him involved in discussions about my ongoing care. One evening, after a particularly bad day he knew I needed to talk to him about something but sat playing with his phone. This incident involved the children but T seemed unduly concerned and went to work the following day as usual. It was only after we separated that he used this incident against me, saying he had 'long term concerns' over my ability to parent the children and demanding a report from Social Services to confirm the children weren't at risk.

T only contributed half his salary to the joint account and was unwilling/unable to account for the remainder. He was more than happy for all of my wages to be used up for childcare.

He refused to sell his unused motorbikes despite us needing the money.

His continually being late for work was a major contributing factor to his being made redundant in November 2013. He spent 3 months doing nothing to look for work, during which time I returned to full time work in order to support the family. Once he found a job, despite my expressing concern over his punctuality, he made no effort to get up or leave on time for work.

He knew that the legal side of our house was causing me stress, yet he refused to involve me in discussions about what was happening. Indeed his father once told me 'there are things happening which H knows nothing about', meaning that I, his wife, knew less than his parents even though it was supposed to be our house. He admitted that me getting so ill gave him 'the kick up the arse he needed' to start the process, having done nothing for a year.

When we moved into our house T wanted to move his guns into the property, when I expressed concern about having guns in the house with small children I was told this was 'non-negotiable'. This has been a frequent phrase uttered by T over the course of our marriage.

When I gave up work to look after the children, I asked him to sort out life insurance so we would be covered if anything happened to him. He didn't see the seriousness of this and never sorted it.

After I asked him to leave, he announced he was going to return to the property and live independently in the box bedroom. When I asked him to wait 24 hours so I could get advice from my health visitor to find out how this would impact the boys, he refused, forcing me and the boys to take refuge with my father. His continued refusal to leave the house effectively forced me to find alternative housing and made the boys leave their home. He is still living alone in a rent-free, mortgage free 3 bedroom home while the boys live in a rented 2 bedroom flat, and has said there's nothing wrong with that.

For ages I had expressed concern over the state of the garden which contained a half built garage, rusting land rover and massive milling machine. T saw nothing wrong with it despite our neighbours eventually erecting a 6 ft fence to block out our garden, thus cutting off contact between our sons and the boys next door who are the same age. The milling machine has never been uncovered but again it's continued presence was 'non-negotiable', as was the garage halfway up the garden. T only sold the land rover when I issued an ultimatum that either it went or I did. My concern was that it was a danger to the boys because it had big rusting holes in it and leaked oil. T refused to see any danger at all.

After the very traumatic birth of our youngest son I was very upset. The midwives had found a private room for me which meant that T could come back into the hospital and spend the night. When I called him in tears and begged him to come in he refused as he was 'too tired' and going to bed. He promised to be at the hospital the minute visiting hours began but was very late.

I'd love to hear opinions. I'm so very angry with exH (T) and I don't know how to overcome it.

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MyGastIsFlabbered · 18/09/2015 18:26

Sorry, that was long. ????I have no problem with anyone saying that it wasn't abuse btw. I just don't know how to deal with my anger about it, and how to stop exH getting to me.

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PeanutButterFiend · 18/09/2015 18:40

Oh OP Sad I really want to give you a hug and punch your ExH in the mouth Angry IMO this is gross emotional abuse. You ExH appears to be a poisonous, selfish "man", who shows total disregard for your children or their wellbeing. He would rather see them forced out of their home, to live in a small flat just to spite you. And I don't mean to speak out of turn here, but I'm assuming that having been shoved out of your home that had no mortgage or rent to be paid, you are now in a bit of a pickle financially because you have rent to pay by yourself? Is he contributing financially in any way towards your boys??

pocketsaviour · 18/09/2015 18:49

Yes, clear financial abuse, if nothing else. It's not clear whether he was emotionally abusive on purpose or just a massive cunty bellend, but I'm leaning towards EA.

MyGastIsFlabbered · 18/09/2015 20:10

He pays £400 a month, he claims he can't afford any more. I get HB which pays most of my rent but not all of it, and I've recently started a new job and so all my benefits are a bit in limbo at the moment.

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Anniegetyourgun · 18/09/2015 20:48

Your MH suffered because of the (mostly) deliberate actions of another person; thus counselling around abuse would seem to be appropriate. I don't think it especially matters whether the A-word strictly applies or not. The answer from where I'm standing, as an outsider seeing only a small snapshot of your life, is "probably". But in any case he was definitely, in pocketsaviour's excellent phrase, a massive cunty bellend. I'd take all the help offered to deal with it if I were you.

0dfod · 18/09/2015 20:53

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goddessofsmallthings · 18/09/2015 23:39

Flowers Well done for getting away from this awful man whose abuse of you is the equivalent of psychological torture sustained over a long period of time.

How old are your dc? Have you begun divorce proceedings citing his thoroughly unreasonable and objectionable behaviour?

MyGastIsFlabbered · 19/09/2015 12:01

DCs are 5 and 3. They've coped brilliantly with everything, much better than me. ????Although I left him he started divorce proceedings first, on the grounds of unreasonable behaviour, but honestly his grounds are a joke, I'm amazed his solicitor submitted it to be honest. But I'm not contesting it because I just want shot of him. My solicitor says it won't affect the settlement if I'm the respondent rather than the petitioner so I'm fine with going along with it. I had started drafting my statement which made up most of my OP and I'd love him to see it one day.

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MyGastIsFlabbered · 26/09/2015 15:16

Sorry to bump my own post, but I'm still trying to process this and work out how to move on from this. Speaking to people in RL, some agree it's abuse, some say it's not...I just don't know what to think. Part of me feels I have no right to use the word abuse, but then I think about how my self-confidence and self-esteem has been eroded and I'm not so sure. And I'm so very angry at my ex, and angry at myself for putting up with his shit for so long. I'd love him to know that he's being labelled an abuser because he'd hate that, but then I feel so petty and vindictive.

Sorry I'm rambling on, I'm just so muddled.

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0dfod · 26/09/2015 20:18

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WorzelsCornyBrows · 26/09/2015 20:25

I hope you find that your MH will improve as things settle down and the divorce and financials are sorted. Nobody is going to thrive mentally under that environment. It was definitely financially abusive, as for the rest, well it's certainly neglectful.

I hope you get the divorce finalised soon so you can move on with your life.

CalleighDoodle · 26/09/2015 20:30

He sounds like a bully.

Twinklestein · 26/09/2015 20:51

There's no question it's abuse.

Your mental health team want to put you in contact with an abuse team: they know you and they know their stuff.

Some people have stereotyped ideas of what abuse consists. If he beat you physically and your physical health suffered you would recognise that as abuse. Instead, he beat you mentally and emotionally so that your mental health suffered, that too is abuse. And anyone who tells you that you did not experience financial abuse in particular is simply incorrect.

He's an absolute arsehole who's had a devastating impact on your mental health, how other random people choose to label him is irrelevant.

I would listen to your mental health team and let them guide you.

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