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Moody husband

21 replies

Starlings · 09/09/2015 14:54

Hi all, I'm new to the forum so many apologies if I step on any toes. I'm at my wits end and I'm trying to get some feedback on my problem with my husband that has reached a head recently. We don't have any kids yet, but this issue makes me really worried about ever having any with him even though we both want them.

My husband and I have been married for a couple of years. He's always been really up and down - to the point where I've thought he might be bipolar. The other problem (although it can be a good thing!) is that he has one of those personalities that is larger than life - when he is happy, everyone is happy. When he's miserable or sulking he sucks the joy out of anyone near by.

I think it's not actually just a happy/sad thing though - I think it is more cooperative/uncooperative, since he can be sad and cooperative or happy (or manic) and uncooperative at the same time. When he is cooperative he makes an effort to see things from other people's perspectives, he's rational and objective, and he will do things that are important to other people (read: me, especially, but his friends as well) even if he doesn't want to. He is kind and supportive and thoughtful.

When he is uncooperative his behaviour suggests that he doesn't care about anyone other than himself - he is irrational and lacks objectivity. He says horrible things and either purposely tries to hurt me or just doesn't care if he does. He criticises literally everything I do (speak, walk, breathe, comport myself among others, clean, treat him etc), and brings up a long list of past grievances that he trots out at the slightest provocation. It's 'you always' or 'you never'. At these times, if I persist in engaging with him he says that he's totally miserable and is fed up with the relationship and is 'done'.

It makes it really hard to plan stuff or talk meaningfully with each other, because his attitude, stance and ideas change drastically depending on his mood. So, an idea that he is open to, or an event or trip that he agrees to when he is feeling cooperative is totally out of the question when he isn't. Sometimes this is something small like bailing on a friends' birthday party, but can be a lot more serious or expensive- such as our honeymoon. He agreed to the broad strokes of the trip in advance and then, as the time came nearer, he got more and more anxious and frustrated until he refused to go at the last minute (although in the end he did go, mostly because I stood my ground and it cost a lot of money) but I was punished with two weeks of sulking and blame followed by annoyance that we had to go home because he had such a great time. I am seriously losing my mind here.

I'm a really non confrontational person, and because when he's happy and cooperative I don't want to blow it by bringing up my frustration and negative feelings, and when he's uncooperative he doesn't listen or take me seriously, I've somehow managed to go two years like this. When things are good, I lose track of how awful and miserable I feel when things are going badly, and when things are going badly it's like I've never been happy in my life. I am afraid I'm losing my sense of my own self - my needs and desires are getting completely eclipsed by his and he complains that I emotionally neglect him! For the last couple of months things felt like they were getting better - he was cooperative more of the time, we were avoiding each other's stress triggers and starting to make changes to improve our lives together and separately. Then I went home to visit my family for a month and two weeks in, he has an epiphany that he's completely miserable, and we don't talk to each other, and he's had enough - we've got six weeks to fix it.

In some ways, this is a relief, because now even when he is in a cooperative mood he is expressing dissatisfaction - which makes it a lot easier for us to discuss the reasons why he is so unhappy (and there are some very legitimate reasons that I've been trying to address insofar as I can), and he has for the first time agreed to go to couples therapy. I've also felt more like I have nothing to lose by being open and poking the bear. But now the uncooperative jerk is rearing his head - he will go to therapy only under duress, and he thinks its a big waste of time and I'm being ridiculous - surely we can just 'talk to each other' and solve things on our own.

The problem is that I'm getting swung emotionally from one end of the spectrum to another, he speaks and acts one way at some times, and a completely different way at others. He's also really convincing and I end up spending all of our conversations apologising to him because his reasoning seems so sound at the time and it isn't until I get away from him and talk to someone that I think 'wait a minute...'

He's been finding these conversations very satisfying but I am not because I think he's so locked into his own interpretation of what has gone wrong in our relationship that he completely disregards my concerns about this jekyll and hyde problem. He acknowledges that he's fed up, but that is my fault for not being open and honest with him (I have been, but he doesn't like what he hears) and not being supportive of him (which I don't understand - I feel like I twist myself into a pretzel to be supportive).

We are supposed to be seeing a counsellor on Saturday morning but I am worried that he will work himself into a giant anxious mess beforehand or refuse to go. I don't really have a specific question I guess, but I live in a city far away from my friends and family and I've never been very good at being vulnerable to the people closest to me (which is one of my husband's biggest complaints about me). Does anyone have any advice on how to cope with this behaviour? Or how to talk to someone like this? This all just feels too big for me.

OP posts:
hellsbellsmelons · 09/09/2015 15:21

I've been trying to address insofar as I can
This jumped out at me.
Does he blame you and you have to change?

and this I end up spending all of our conversations apologising to him

I know I couldn't live like this and certainly wouldn't want to raise children in such an unstable environment.

Sorry but he sounds like an EA twat to me.
You are on eggshells. Blaming yourself. Trying to change yourself when clearly, the problem is him.

I don't know what to suggest as I think you've tried everything and nothing works.

Look up gaslighting abuse may open your eyes a bit.

Why do you live in a city far away from friends and family?
Was this your choice?
If not, this is getting worse and worse for abusive behaviour.

ouryve · 09/09/2015 15:33

I used to be married to a man a lot like this. I took the fact that I gave up on trying to engage with him as a big sign that I had to leave.

When he is uncooperative his behaviour suggests that he doesn't care about anyone other than himself - he is irrational and lacks objectivity. He says horrible things and either purposely tries to hurt me or just doesn't care if he does. He criticises literally everything I do (speak, walk, breathe, comport myself among others, clean, treat him etc), and brings up a long list of past grievances that he trots out at the slightest provocation. It's 'you always' or 'you never'. At these times, if I persist in engaging with him he says that he's totally miserable and is fed up with the relationship and is 'done'.

You're right. You don't want kids with this man because you will do that wrong, too and there is a danger that so will they.

Counselling is a very bad idea with him because if he doesn't bottle out, he will make it all about all the things you do wrong, he will use it as a way to get one up on you and there is a danger that he will find out more about your vulnerabilities and use those things against you, too.

goddessofsmallthings · 09/09/2015 15:51

Reading your OP has raised 2 questions in my mind which are:

  1. How did you come to marry this man?
  2. You do know that you don't have to stay married to him, don't you?

Fgs don't have dc with him and please heed what ouryve has said about couples counselling as it is not recommended where one of the parties is abusive.

Do you have any friends/family members you can confide in?

The next time "he says that he's totally miserable and is fed up with the relationship and is 'done'" tell him that you're done too, pack your belongings and leave as you will lose all sense of yourself, and lose your mind, if you stay with him.

DrMorbius · 09/09/2015 16:03

1. How did you come to marry this man?

Exactlythis ^^

Fromparistoberlin73 · 09/09/2015 16:43

he sounds like my DP, I have 2 kids with him and extricating myself is a VERY VERY HARD

darling don't have kids with this man- if you need to think get a therapist specialised in emotional abuse- its worth investing the time before you make any major life decisions. At least you realised what he is like when you can fairly easily extricate yourself

He wont change, I can tell you that

KetchupIsNearlyAVegetable · 09/09/2015 16:48

Read this thread which might help explain what's going on.

ImperialBlether · 09/09/2015 16:52

It's a wonder you have any sense of self left. My recommendation is that you leave him as soon as you can and move back to be near people who are good for you. This is an incredibly unhealthy relationship and like you, I wonder about his mental health.

I wouldn't get involved with any new man for a while, by the way; you need to be deprogrammed by a very skilled therapist.

The worst, absolute worst thing you could do is to have children with this man. The thought of that happening is really frightening.

KetchupIsNearlyAVegetable · 09/09/2015 16:58

At these times, if I persist in engaging with him he says that he's totally miserable and is fed up with the relationship and is 'done'.

What happens next that means you aren't 'done'?

I mean, how do you actually go from being dumped because he hates everything about you, to being back together again? What does he do? What do you do?

lauraa4 · 09/09/2015 17:07

First of all I'm not sure why you are going to couples therapy. These are his issues, behaviours and attitudes. Granted they may be affecting you as a couple, but ultimately until he gets over whatever his issues are, or in fact actually gets a professional mental heath diagnosis (if there is one) it all seems to be pretty pointless.

My partner was diagnosed with something called EUPD a few months ago. It's very similar to Bipolar, however the 'episodes' tend not to last as long and it is often more anger and depression, rather than happy/sad etc. He is currently having CBT therapy at the moment, and will continue to be on medication probably for the rest of his life. However the decision for him to seek help and eventually receive a diagnosis was something that he had to do on his own. If your husband is not able to see, or is not willing to address is apparent issues there's not much you can do other than to look after yourself.

I'm just throwing it out there that he may genuinely be not well mentally. Of course he could just be a selfish nasty person and if that's the case then only you know the answer on what to do.

LapsedPacifist · 09/09/2015 21:52

^^ What lauraa4 said. Please google Emotionally Unstable Personality Disorder.

And please don't even think about couples counselling - this is likely to do BOTH of you a great deal of long term damage. You could end up being blamed by the therapist and your DH for triggering his hostility, and your DH might well have his irrational feelings and behaviours validated by the therapist. Many couples counsellors work from the premise that both partners are equally committed to counselling and prepared to be honest and open their behaviour, and that both are jointly responsible for their relationship problems.

Please get some individual therapy for yourself, with a counsellor who has experience of working with victims of emotional abuse and of supporting partners or ex-partners of people with EUPD or Borderline Personality disorder. Before he drives you mad.

Squeegle · 09/09/2015 21:55

Hmmm.... How would you feel in ten years if he is just like this (but even worse)? Why do you accept this behaviour?

AnyFucker · 09/09/2015 22:00

Martyr yourself to it if you must, but please do not subject any children to this sort of abuse

scallopsrgreat · 09/09/2015 22:04

Wow he's really got you running in circles around him hasn't he?

Three things:

a) He is choosing to do this
b) He is abusive
c) This is not your fault

Nothing in your behaviour is making him do this and nothing you can do to change your behaviour will make him change.

Given that, as squeegle asks - how long do you want this to continue?

Also what is he putting into this relationship and what are you getting out of it?

Fromparistoberlin73 · 10/09/2015 09:19

Just to say, I would not rule out some level of mental health issues. I am NOT excusing EA behaviour. But I was looking at not-soD-P and though this is NOT normal. I mean be a cunt by all means but there are some things he does and I think he is mentally unstable- really.

I discovered this
www.psychologytoday.com/blog/stop-walking-eggshells/201003/welcome-the-new-blog-stop-walking-eggshells

It rang a lot of bells

I am not saying you should stay, try and heal him but it might be useful as it sounds like he is messing your head up big time.

DO NOT see counsellor. many of them are not experienced in EA and it could really backfire and get you in a guilty pickle.

When in doubt, do nowt and maybe keep head down for a while and explore therapy for yourself with someone experienced- I can PM a few links

BoffinMum · 10/09/2015 09:26

LTB
I started reading your post thinking it would be the relatively normal mid-life moodiness a lot of MNetters experience on here - both themselves, their relatives and their DHs. then I realised you had only been married for two years, Something is very wrong here.

A huge warning sign for me was the honeymoon behaviour. Anyone who sulks on their honeymoon like that has such enormous problems with behaviour and relationships you will never make progress, I think.

Mental health problems or no mental health problems, it is clear he is manipulating you and making you tailor your every thought to his demands. He is very selfish. There are many men around who will treat you a lot better than this. Find one.

LovelyFriend · 10/09/2015 10:02

Don't have children with this person - then you will be stuck with the miserable fucker in your life forever as will your DC.

XP was very much like this.

trackrBird · 10/09/2015 10:35

Go to the counselling session on your own.

See if this looks familiar
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cycle_of_abuse

If so, be warned that the 'down' cycles are likely to become more frequent and more intense. It never gets better. You will never be 'on track'.

LadyBlaBlah · 10/09/2015 10:56

I think it is dangerous to be putting labels such as bipolar or BPD on this behaviour.

You can only look at the behaviour and decide whether it is acceptable in your life.

I hope your conclusion is NO.

Whatifitoldyou · 10/09/2015 11:59

He's an emotional abuser. Track is right, it sounds like the abuse cycle. It will only get worse.

Pringlesandwine · 10/09/2015 12:05

I had children with a man like this. Big mistake. I've now left him and the relief is massive. Back away OP, and then run like the wind!!!

lauraa4 · 10/09/2015 12:35

Just to add - only a qualified psychiatrist would be able to diagnose any mental health illness, whether he has BPD, EUPD, borderline personality disorder or nothing at all!

As other PP have said he could be a complete and utter twat that takes great pleasure in draining the happiness out of your life. However it is also not fair to label him as something without actually knowing if something is wrong. I think until you are involved closely with someone is who mentally unwell its very easy to be ignorant to these types of behaviours and just claim that anyone who acts in this way is just a bastard.

Regardless of ALL of this whatever his issues you need to decide if you want to continue to stand by /put up with your husband.

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