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My toxic mother and my teenage daughter - advice needed pls

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FortyCoats · 07/07/2015 11:35

Hi everybody,

(EDIT: I finally got to the end and realised this is very long, sorry Blush)

It's been a while since I've been here. You look all different and newy!
I left a couple of years ago for RL as I was addicted to MN!

Anyway, I've come to a stumbling block in my life wrt my mother and I don't have anyone I can:
a) trust to be brutally honest with me
b) offer advice without emotion
...then I remembered you folks can be trusted to do both :D

I apologise in advance if this reads a little all over the place, I'm cutting a very long story short...

My relationship with my mother has never been great. She has always relied on emotional blackmail to keep me in my place. A couple of years ago I wrote her a letter which basically said I would no longer allow her to control me the way she had been, that I loved her but could not continue to live my life under her cloud. She didn't talk to me for weeks but the upshot is, we talk now, exchange niceties and general chat.

More recently she has slipped back into her old ways and I can feel her grip getting tighter. She's back to guilt-tripping, aggressive outbursts and all that other emotional crap. Grand, I leave her to it. I don't rise to her, I don't become confrontational. I listen, tell her clearly I feel differently about whatever the topic is and she hangs up abruptly without saying anything (The telephone way to say 'fuck you' without actually saying it!)

Through counselling (I just can't spell that word!), soul-searching, rearing my own child and the support of my DH I have learned how to cope with her. It still upsets me in the moment but I can let it go quite quickly now.

I'm finally at the problem...yay!

She started it on my child! DD is 15yo. She's my one and only so anything I know about teens is based on her. I have no other examples or 'typical' teens to reference so what I'm asking you folks is... Do I need to protect my child from my mother or am I completely over-reacting and perhaps my mother was right?

When dd gets a call from my mother she entertains her for a very short time (she's busy being a teenager!) so my mother takes the hump and gets on to me about it. I say "she's just a kid, she hardly talks to me because she's too busy snap-chatting or FBing or whatever other crap they do on their phones. She's not being dismissive, she's just got a teenage brain which has far more pressing things to do than answer a million questions and have half hour long conversations with grown-ups" My mother then slates me for raising a child with no manners.

I have to say at this point that
a) DD is one of the most polite girls you could meet
b) DD was bullied terribly for years and is soft as shit
c) DD is hyper-emotional and feels bad for sometimes breathing the same air as others

Mum says, all the time, how I need to toughen her up. She's too polite. She's too nice etc but then for the first time last night she tore strips off her and me (verbalised to me not DD) because when she rang DD, DD told her she was eating and she'd have to go as her food was going to go cold. My mother did the same thing she's always done to me, hung up!
DD got upset and I told her not to worry about it. She said she'd text, which she did and said "sorry Granny, my food was going to go cold. Love you x".

The response was "aw, ye know what DD, don't worry about it. I'll talk to you some other time. You enjoy talking to your friends"

That right there BOILED MY PISS! (which is why I need your help/advice)

She then rang me and told me DD was very mean and basically told her to fuck off. I was in the room when DD was talking to her and I know for sure she was pleasant and chirpy so I said as much to my mother. I defended her being a normal teen and told my mother to relax about it. She went into a rant, I stayed calm, said we would have to agree to disagree and she ...yep, hung up!

Two minutes later she's ringing again. I ignore. A voicemail appears so I ask DH to listen as I can't bear to here her shouting. I ask what she said and he says "she now understands it wasn't off the grass DD licked it" and some other shite.

Ten minutes later FB is full of 'I'm all alone', 'nobody knows my pain', 'nobody loves me' type quotes.

My question is ... am I being a bitch, a bad mother for making excuses, a shit daughter for pulling back?
Or, seriously, do I need to protect my DD from the emotional blackmail I was subjected to growing up and into adulthood?

Please be very honest. I can take a bashing and thanks in advance

FC

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jamaisdeux · 07/07/2015 14:32

Well done OP Flowers

FortyCoats · 07/07/2015 14:51

Thanks x

GaB, that's horrific! You sound so strong and trust me when I say I have taken a lot from what you've posted. I needed to hear that someone else who's done NC also felt sad or sorry for their parent and still managed it. You've said exactly what I'm feeling. Thank you.

It's done now. DD is very upset. I just said that we can love someone but not like them when they're mean and if they can't be nice it's okay to say we need space. I asked her what was the first feeling she had when she got that reply last night and she said "guilty". I told her I thought so but that it was my job to explain that she didn't need to feel that way because of someone elses poor behaviour. Her pal arrived so didn't get to say any more but she knows she can talk to me if she needs so will leave her to enjoy her day and bring it up for longer, better discussion at a later stage.

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pocketsaviour · 07/07/2015 14:52

Well done forty, it's a hard decision and one I recently took with my own mother, to protect my son from her vitriol.

I have felt guilty at times thinking "she's all alone on mother's day" but then I remind myself that if she wasn't a horrible person, she wouldn't be alone.

I strongly suggest you curtail your DD's contact with her too as you can already see your mother starting to unleash the abuse on her. The biggest lesson you need to teach your DD is "we don't need to be nice to people who are nasty to us."

Have a search for the latest Stately Homes thread on the forum, most of us are going or have been through similar hard decisions.

pocketsaviour · 07/07/2015 14:53

Cross post OP, so glad you had that chat with your DD :)

BrowersBlues · 07/07/2015 14:57

Well done for protecting your own DD I admire you. I feel for your DD for feeling guilty, she hasn't got anything to feel guilty about. Your mother is being a complete bitch. It is sad to see someone like that but it is her own fault.

You don't behave like that and most other people don't. She is choosing to behave the way she does and she can suffer the consequences.

If she asks just tell her short and sweet that you are not putting up with her treating your DD like that. Making a child feel guilty is so toxic.

I wouldn't blank her altogether. I would ring the odd time and be perfectly nice. It is up to her how she responds.

FortyCoats · 07/07/2015 14:58

Thanks PS, I was just going to post another thread asking for direction to the 'we took you to stately homes thread'!

I can't remember how to navigate MN but will do a bit of browsing. I could really do with reading similar stories as I can't share this in RL.

:)

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FortyCoats · 07/07/2015 14:59

Thanks BB :)

I knew coming back to MN would help! you've all been great. Thank you all so much x

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SDTGisAnEvilWolefGenius · 07/07/2015 15:00

I don't have any experience of this sort of situation, but I just wanted to say that you and your dd sound like lovely people - you have clearly done a good job of being a mum because you have raised a real gem!

Meerka · 07/07/2015 15:02

I just know hurting my child is not an option so I'm going to have to do it, cut contact.

Remember this.

And keep on telling your daughter what you've started saying to her: Family are important but not more important than being treated with respect (and conversely, treating others with respect).

Until she can be consistently and genuinely pleasant, it's better to keep your distance.

Btw, by doing this you're also telling your daughter that she should be treated with respect by everyone - her future bfs and partner(s), by you, and by her friends.

to quote from perfectstorm
I will never fathom why blood alone should mean you're forced to let people hurt you over and over again, as long as they aren't physically or sexually abusive. It makes no sense. Life is too short to let bad/damaged people screw with you, no matter who they are, unless they are your own kids. You don't owe anyone else your unconditional love and time.

Meerka · 07/07/2015 15:03

aslo, Stately Homes Thread

girlandboy · 07/07/2015 15:07

You are definitely going down the right path and you have said exactly the right things to your daughter.

Thank you for your kind words xx

FortyCoats · 07/07/2015 15:09

Thanks SDTG and Meerka (and for the SH thread too :))

I know this will sound all kinds of weird but I actually feel like I'm being held or hugged right now. Just my weird brain but it's a nice feeling all the same to feel so supported by people who just want to help and share their experiences to let you know you're not alone.

Sincerely, (sounding like a broken record but this really means so much to me) thank you all x

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FortyCoats · 07/07/2015 15:18

Meerka, that's such a huge deal for us, showing DD about what's acceptable from any relationship/friendship because of the bullying in school.

We worked, and bless her she worked hard herself, to overcome and find her voice, deflect and feel good in her own skin and mind so I'm not about to let someone I know strip it all away from her no matter the connection.

I wing it every day. I suspect most of us do but all I can do is trust my gut and hope to god I get it right and when I make mistakes, take ownership and trust that I'm doing my best.

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BrowersBlues · 07/07/2015 15:18

You are being supported. You need support dealing with people like your mother because they don't half confuse you with their mind games.

You may benefit from a few sessions with a counsellor to get rid of any guilt that you might be feeling. You really are a wonderful mother and your DD sounds lovely. Being so upfront and taking no further shit is a great example to your DD and will stand her in good stead if she ever has to deal with a toxic person in her life.

You have made it very clear to her that your mother is behaving in an unacceptable manner and that she does not need to put up with it. Great lesson to learn early in her life!

AttilaTheMeerkat · 07/07/2015 15:20

A good rule of thumb here is that if either parent is too toxic/difficult for you to deal with its the same for your both vulnerable and defenceless child. Your DD needs to be protected from your mother's malign influences.

Leave mother to her own devices; neither you or your DD need such a toxic person in your lives in any event.

Stately Homes thread is one well worth visiting.

FortyCoats · 07/07/2015 15:36

Thank you both :)

I have tried counselling on and off since age 14 (37 now) but I always leave when it gets tough. That usually happens when it comes to talking about my mother but not because of hurt she's caused, more that I don't want anyone else to see her in a bad light. That's what I meant when I said I can't talk about this in RL because I can't bear to have someone else think badly of her (plenty do as she has a talent for burning bridges but none as a result of anything I've said or done)

I get very defensive. I should say 'got' as today I feel something I have never felt before when it comes to her. It's like an animalistic or primal response to protect my child and suddenly she (my mother) is less important and not as threatening as she always was. It's not fear any more but a horrible mixture of sadness and anger.

I'm away to the stately home thread. I just know it'll put all this in perspective and keep the guilt and sadness in check when I'm having a weak moment. She can break me so easily.

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FortyCoats · 07/07/2015 16:02

Well, F**k me! That opening sticky on the SH thread is the best thing I have ever read. Every word of it means something. So glad I came back :)

Bye all, thanks for the support x

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