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Objective opinions please

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middleagedandtired · 24/06/2015 20:33

I've read but not posted before (too scared at being recognised, feeling that my issues are just a whinge, others have it far harder. I have a man who loves me and wonderful children and family around me) and it has been such a relief to read about the various experiences other people are having as it means I don't feel quite so alone. So I am being brave and putting into words some things that I feel I have to confront, but can't see a way through for now in the hope that people may be able to help with some objective advice. This is a long term thing. I think I know what I have to do but it terrifies me.

I am sorry if it is long, it has been slowly getting worse now and there's a lot to tell.

Met young (both now in late 40s) he decided to go into further study for a career that required it, but would never be financially secure. I couldn't really decide what I wanted to do so I went into full time work. I supported him financially through study then as he started out with very low paid work. His work was rarely every day, as a student he was often at home, he would sleep in and chill out whilst I worked long hours and I would come home to piles of washing up and housework mounting up. But we didn't have children and so it didn't seem to really matter. We argued about it but eventually it would get done. Then his work built up and he would have contracts that kept him busy for periods of time but never any permanent work and it never paid very well. At this point rows escalated a bit. He said he didn't see why he should wash up or cook or clean as he was working. I worked my socks off, got promoted and workload increased for me as I moved up in the company.

4 children (aged 16-7) later and I had to work full time through all of them as his work dwindled and eventually dried up completely. I now have a job that requires me to work at home as well as be at work every day, he has found hourly (low) paid work and works 3 short days across 4 and some evenings as well.

My job isn't one of those you can just leave at the office usually 12-15 hour days. I do as much with the children as I can but any free time I have is spent on the housework which I can barely keep on top of. He does very little and what he does do is always accompanied by sighs and groans and long texts or messages to me listing all the chores he has attempted and how busy he is.

His financial contribution is tiny and I don't earn loads. If I lost my job we would be in serious financial trouble. This is quite a burden and the pressure is on to always try to over-achieve because of the fear of it all falling apart.

I leave the house at 7am and the earliest I'm home is 6pm. I then work at my desk until at least 11pm most nights. I'm knackered, run down am spaced out and dizzy with exhaustion a lot of the time. Also have to work at weekends.

But the real problem is that I have started to feel huge amounts of resentment towards him because of this and it is destroying me from the inside. It seems so unfair, I can't understand how he can be so unproductive around the house and how he has no drive to go out and find some better work, take life by the balls and make something of himself. he's intelligent, well-qualified and yet has settled for a crappy job that he just moans about all the time.

This last few weeks have been awful. I can't look at him or talk to him, I can't bear him to touch me. The sound of him eating or droning on about how hard his day has been sets my teeth on edge. Endless texts and calls about how busy he is while I'm trying to work drive me mad and if I miss something or don't reply there's always a comment or a put down. If I say anything or ask him to do more I am being horrible to him, I don't understand how there's no time, I don't appreciate how hard it is etc. He's always moaning to other people how hard his life is.

Some of the things I resent:

Why can't he get the chores done? I can't understand how he can possibly be so slow and unproductive, so bad at time management and can't organise himself better: excuse-I get done what needs to be done

He won't get a better paid job because he doesn't have time to apply for one and doesn't want to have to work outside office hours: excuse-have to look after the kids

He says he doesn't have time to do the housework, present buying, thank you cards, read letters from school, keep on top of bills etc etc: excuse- he doesn't care about these things, they don't matter

I spend all weekend tidying and catching up on washing, sorting school uniforms etc.: excuse-he hasn't had time

I pay a cleaner which I can't afford just so the toilets are cleaned and the house is hoovered or it wouldn't get done: excuse-he hasn't got time

Comments in front of the children or other people about how mum is always working or mum doesn't have time for us or mum is no fun: excuse-He never gets to do anything fun with me because I'm too tired or choose to be working.

At the moment I am biting my tongue. I pretend all the time. Pretend to be interested, pretend things are OK. Pretend I am interested in him, pretend I can live like this forever, pretend that I'm OK with doing this forever

If I try to confront this I'm either unreasonable, unsympathetic, selfish or the worst wife and mother ever because I should want to be with him and the children and instead I choose to work (so unfair).

So my options

  1. Go to counselling, try to explain my resentment through another person so he listens and hears it. I guess I would have to do the same with his grievances against me too

  2. Put up with it and hope that it passes and I can feel better about it and like him again

  3. Get my finances sorted and think about going. This makes me feel so sad so it is very much a last resort

I'm so sorry this is long. It all came out in a rush. But if anyone has advice or just a hug for me, I would be so grateful.

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newnamesamegame · 24/06/2015 23:07

For what it's worth, I have shocked myself at my ability to come through this.., I put off what I now see was inevitable for two years.

When push came to shove and I actually did it I had no regrets at all. I barely miss my H at all and I feel like a weight has been lifted from me. Not going to be the same for everyone, but you will probably surprise yourself with your own strength.

Good luck, whatever you do...

goddessofsmallthings · 24/06/2015 23:08

A good cleaner and a reliable au pair will transform your life and it will be good for your dc to muck in with tidying, cooking, etc - unless, of course, he's already got them doing that while he conducts his ever so busy life.

You'll find that the years will drop off you and you'll be able to catch up on zzzz's and your much neglected social life during those weekends and weeknights when the dc stay with him.

It may not seem like it at the moment, but it IS all doable and you can make it happen.

GrannyWW · 25/06/2015 11:24

Please do not also take on the job of trying to find his mojo. This needs a do fuck off response to texts, he needs calling out and pulling up .i woulnt take this shit from my 16 year old let alone somone who's cock I suck ;) -

Squidzin · 25/06/2015 12:05

Are your standards too high?

Are you looking for problems because you hold no respect whatsoever for the SAHP position?

I sense an agenda atm, you are lucky with your big career and wage bill. Mum at home has raised your babies while you have all the security and benefits of being the main wage earner.

I don't sense piss taking, unless you really don't understand the set-backs of being the SAHP for years and years.

Joysmum · 25/06/2015 12:19

He accuses you of being a martyr but who'd bet against you being accused of being a selfish tyrant when you stand up for yourself to stop being a martyr in his eyes.

Sorry but whatever you do you'll be wrong in his eyes.

KitZacJak · 25/06/2015 12:23

Mmm, not sure as he has been the SAHP for years so it was probably hard for him to get a good career. He does work part time. 4 children is a lot. I know a lot of mums of 4 who don't work at all (or ended up giving up) because they are so busy with drops offs, sickness, appointments etc (which I presume he covers). Sounds like his housework is not up to scratch but what about looking after the kids, are you happy with how he does that?

Jan45 · 25/06/2015 12:45

He's one of life's lazy bastards and has been living off the back of you for years, of course he wont change, either you change it or expect more of the same, in fact he will probably get worse as he grows older, don't waste your life any longer, I can't believe you've put up with this for so long.

goddessofsmallthings · 25/06/2015 12:55

Are you playing devil's advocate, Squidzin? Hmm

middleagedandtired · 25/06/2015 13:08

I always thought I would be the SAHP/work part time. I don't why I assumed that, just was the way it worked in my family and I thought it would be the same!

It just didn't work out that way as his job just didn't end up being what I suppose he thought it would be. Work dried up gradually and he found himself at home more and more until he was there all the time.

If he wanted to give it another go, get his CV out there, start to market himself then absolutely I'd be right behind him. We could tighten our belts, I could look at cutting down hours, we could get help from friends and family, the kids are growing up now. But when we talk about that it's always "I haven't got time to even look at jobs".

Why haven't you got time? Can you make time? Stay up late to write CV, engage with social media, take time to look around. These things can be done when the kids are in bed, but by then he's in front of the telly. The changes that would then need to happen could be organised, I'd happily do my share at home.

But if you don't want to or can't go back to that career then don't moan about being the SAHP!

Anyway, loads to think about. And thank you for responses.

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Jan45 · 25/06/2015 13:25

You are missing the point OP, he's a lazy bastard and has no intentions of contributing even halfway to living costs etc.

He knows you have and will carry him for as long as necessary.

sleepsoftly · 25/06/2015 20:47

He is inherently lazy.

Your options are 1 and 3 and in that order.

Be prepared to execute 3 if you cannot achieve a solution with him.

happyh0tel · 25/06/2015 23:05

Do your children help with chores round the house ? if not they should be

I would suggest making a family rota that everyone in the house helps, even the youngest

You will burn out !

Working 15 hour days !, perhaps you need to work "smarter"

He probably will not get a "better job" because he has no need, you are essentially supporting him

Make some time for yourself

BoxOfKittens · 26/06/2015 03:50

How about printing off one of the sheets online that list all manner of household chores in twenty minute segments. The idea is that you do one thing each day, just twenty minutes. Over the space of the month everything gets done and you start again from the top of the list. In order to work well you need to start from a good place, after a spring clean. The list enables maintenance of that spring clean. I find it helpful as I have an illness that makes chores difficult. It would work for busy households too as that's who it was designed for.

If you decided to do this , print the list in different colours. Assign yourselves a colour. Him getting more chores, seeing as he works less than you. Maybe assign your kids a colour too and have them do a few of the chores over the month. Hang it on the fridge. Tick when chore complete.

middleagedandtired · 26/06/2015 09:53

Thanks BoxOfKittens that's a great idea-I'll have a look

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