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Fractious relationship with DM, disintegrated to the point of being irreparable. Who is being unreasonable?

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onthebrinkithink · 25/05/2015 23:21

There’s a long and complex backstory and I don’t wish to drip feed, so thank you so much if you do manage to read to the end of this. NC for this as DM knows my MN name, although I have been on the site in one form or another since 2012. Still, a few extremely minor details have been changed to stop me outing myself.

I’m an only child and I had an extremely happy childhood – both my parents were incredibly nurturing, plenty of emotional investment in me, home cooked meals every night, peaceful home life, lovely holidays, full support to help me achieve my dreams, etc. I am fully aware how incredibly fortunate I am to have had such a great start in life.

Things started going wrong between DM and I when I hit puberty. I developed anxiety and depression leading to panic attacks and mood swings which resulted in me bursting into tears and crying uncontrollably. DM said that I turned into a “monster” - where had her “perfect, happy daughter” gone? No combination of medicine or counseling has ever helped with my depressive spells, although I have found that regular exercise has helped me control my mood swings, so that they don’t impact on others.

Despite these setbacks I went to university and got myself a good degree, made lifelong friends, met my DP and found that a lot of my ideals differed greatly from DM’s - ie: she is an introvert and a homebody, has never been drunk in her life as she doesn’t like the feeling of being out of control whereas I love nothing more than a few glasses of wine and a good dance to let off steam (admittedly, I do drink more than I should, but not to the detriment of my goals in life). She never plays music as she prefers silence and finds it an intrusion on her peace, whereas I play several instruments and I’m incredibly passionate about music – it’s like therapy to me when I’m feeling tense. She votes Conservative and calls my left-wing sensibilities “ridiculous and naïve”. She is incredibly practical and pragmatic and scorned me for the fact that practical tasks don’t come naturally to me and I tend to let my emotions drive my actions. Despite her high intelligence being at odds with her lack of career ambition (she has a degree and is qualified to teach, but hasn’t worked since I was born), she constantly criticises me for supposedly wasting own talents (never mind that the field I’m in is incredibly competitive and it’s not through lack of ambition and want of trying that it’s been a struggle to get to where I want to be) I was so used to her black and white stance on everything, it took me a while to get my head around the fact that as much as I loved her and was grateful for everything she has done for me, my opinions were as valid as hers and just because she was telling me that she was right and I was wrong, that wasn’t necessarily the case.

When I was 24, my DP, who had bipolar disorder, committed suicide in the house we shared. (He had been sectioned on a psychiatric ward, was raped by another male patient and couldn’t live with the shame of it) I was traumatised and couldn’t face living in the house any more, so my parents said I could move back home while I got back on my feet, which I did, for the next 2 years. During this time DM moaned at me every time I played music and constantly shouted at me for not living up to her insanely high levels of tidiness, despite the fact I was known to my friends as “neat freak” because I was so tidy! I started a new job and a married man 15 years my senior started flirting with me. Because I was feeling very low and vulnerable and had moved away from my friends and the city in which I gained my independence I was flattered and flirted back, but I soon came to my senses, found another job and cut contact with him. DM then found a string of emails between us on our shared computer and grew convinced that I’d had an affair with him. I swore blind that nothing physical had happened with this man and that I deeply regretted the flirting. To this day, 12 years on she still doesn’t believe me and frequently calls my actions “unforgivable” and “despicable.”

It came very apparent during those 2 years at home that DM completely despised the person I had become and my outlook on life. My DF has a strong relationship with DM, but even he admits that she has an acerbic tongue and is not the kind of person you want to get on the wrong side of.

When I was 26, DF helped me to buy a house (in retrospect probably because myself and DM under one roof had become unbearable and I couldn’t afford to move out on my own in the area of the country in which we live) DF generously paid just under half of the cost of the house upfront and I got a mortgage for the other half. Both our names are on the mortgage, but I take responsibility for paying it. I saw the house as a lifeline and to this day I take great pride in looking after it.

Things had become so fractious between DM and I by that point that I moved out that we had no contact with each other for the first year. When I did swallow my pride and reach out to her, it seemed that we couldn’t be in the same room for more than 5 minutes without her getting offended my some perceived slight of mine, or disparaging of my point of view. I was constantly on edge, wondering what on earth I had done wrong. Still, I kept trying – partly because my relationship with my DF is great and I knew it upset him that DM & I couldn’t see eye to eye and partly because I had such fantastic memories of DM from my childhood that I hoped we could regain that closeness.

When I was 27, I reconnected with someone from university and we began a 4-year relationship. By then, my self-esteem was in tatters from the constant criticism I’d received from DM. When my DP didn’t turn out to be the person I thought he was I tolerated his behavior because I genuinely didn’t think I could do any better. He moved in with me and I agreed to pay the majority of our living costs while he studied for his Masters, on the proviso that when he graduated he would support me through doing my Masters, which had been a long-term goal of mine. The relationship went from bad to worse – DP constantly took his frustrations out on me and exploited my poor relationship with DM as “proof” that I was unreasonable (FWIW, she was very vocal about the fact she hated him) He lost two jobs and numerous friendships due to his aggression, which he never took accountability for. When I found out that he had joined a gay dating site he blamed this on me for “not being very nice to him’?!! I wanted to leave him, but by that point I was pregnant, doing my MA and had no income, so I buried my head in the sand as I couldn’t cope with the fallout of splitting up. His behavior while I was pregnant became abusive, ie: turning the mains water off so I couldn’t shower, preventing me from going out and meeting friends, accusing me of an imaginary affair with the guitarist in my band (citing the “affair” I had with the married man as “proof” of this,) scouring through my bank statements to see what I had spent my money on, then accusing me of “hiding” something when he couldn’t find anything untoward. As a result of all this I miscarried the baby and the same week he walked out on me.

My Masters was the only thing that kept me going throughout this period – I was wholeheartedly passionate about it and once again my DF stepped in, saying that he would pay my share of the mortgage for the duration of my studies so I could achieve my Masters – a course which was so intensive that I was unable to work at the same time as studying. I am eternally grateful to him for doing this, but it was clear that my DM resented the financial sacrifices they had to make as a result.

Fast forward 5 years. I am now married to a wonderful man who I have been with since 2011. He is utterly right for me, totally “gets” me, is incredibly kind, calm, hardworking and the most emotionally intelligent person I have ever met. Despite this, and DM telling me that she was glad I had finally met the right person, she was full of derision in the lead up to my wedding, sending me newspaper cuttings from articles saying how “unnecessary” wedding receptions were and how “excruciating” they were for the guests, when in reality she was simply dreading the evening reception herself because of her social awkwardness. She kept telling me that “the grander the wedding, the weaker the marriage” and that she and my DF (who have been together 46 years) would have been happy getting married on a shoestring and would have done if it wasn’t for her interfering parents who usurped their wedding plans. The fact is that DH and I paid for ever penny of our wedding ourselves without any financial help from them and it cost just half the cost of an average wedding, so was hardly extravagant. All our friends looked forward to the wedding with genuine excitement and anticipation and we had an amazing day. Which brings me on to the fact that through DH, I have made the best circle of friends I could ever ask for. The women in the group are like the sisters I never had and we have an amazing relationship.

I passed my MA with distinction, the upshot of which is that I was equipped with the skills to write a novel and the gain representation from a literary agent – after years of trying to achieve this I was over the moon. In March, I sent a proof my book cover to DM, hoping that she would be proud of me. Instead, DM went nuts, citing the fact that I was using my married name on the cover (as opposed to her mothers maiden name which I had used for my writing prior to getting married). She saw it as an insult to her late mother, saying that without the money she had inherited after nana died, I would never have been able to complete the MA. (It’s worth mentioning that during the last 7 years of my nana’s life, my DM went out of her way to stop me seeing her) I tried to appease DM by changing the name back, but still she let rip, assassinating my character for hours re. my “horrendous” behavior in my late teens and 20s, my “poor life choices” which had left her and DF picking up the pieces, that she has no sympathy because I “brought misery on myself” through my judgment in relationships and a whole host of other times where I “misbehaved” back in my teens of which I have absolutely no recollection. (Really bizarre stuff like me supposedly taking the laces out of her shoes and hiding them in the garden when I was 15, which I’m 99.9% certain I did not do!) Regardless, all of these things bear absolutely no relevance to the place I am in my life no! At 36, I’m finally at a place in my life where I feel stable and optimistic about the future and have tried to make DM see that the person I am now is a far cry from the person I was then, only she doesn’t know who I am now, because she has barely been in my life for the past 10 years – think only seeing me once every 6 months despite the fact I only live 5 miles away, never speaking on the phone, etc. Finally, she seemed to accept that I had a point and said that she wanted to give me “one last chance.”

In the two months since then, she hasn’t tried to make contact once, even when I had a pelvic prolapse and DH caught the norovirus. As an upshot of our ill health, DH & I were unable to handle several jobs around our house, including hanging a door and assembling a wardrobe. DF said that he would call over with DM to help with these, but as soon as they arrived last Friday, there was evident tension between DM and myself. She accused me of being “demanding” and “ungrateful” despite the fact that DF had offered to help with these jobs, rather than me asking him. She also presented me with a fistful of political articles which she’d cut out of the newspaper with passages she’d highlighted, saying that she was “sick of my ridiculous politics and needed educating”! Obviously I was less than thrilled by this, leading her to say that I had no “respect” for her. I responded, “How do you expect me to respect you when you don’t respect me?!” Then I began to state that I couldn’t believe her disinterest since she’d said she wanted a clean slate, but stopped myself, saying “If I go into that, our relationship will be irreparable.” She then shouted, “Don’t you think it already IS irreparable? You hate me don’t you? Go on, admit it!” I said as calmly as possible that I didn’t hate her at all – she had given birth to me, I loved her despite hating some of her actions and if she could see inside my head I suspected that my feelings for her would be entirely different from what she perceived. She stormed off out of the house and it was only an hour later after much mediating from my DF that she let me hug her when I reached out to her.

Since then, my head has been all over the place. For years I have truly believed that I am the horrendous person that DM paints me to be, and that if only I could be “better” I could win her affections back. When I think of her in an abstract way, I crave getting her relationship back on track – she and DF are the only blood relatives I have, discounting DM’s sister who she has no contact with (and therefore I have no contact with) due to personality clashes. DF is an only child and all my grandparents are deceased, so I would be distraught if DM and I never managed to resolve our relationship. In reality, whenever we’re in the same room, we can’t seem to manage more than a few sentences without her disagreeing with me and putting me down. She doesn’t talk to other people in the condescending way she talks to me, so why does she find it appropriate in my case? I’m not going to suddenly change my entire outlook on life to appease her – why can’t she accept that people are different and develop some tolerance?! I keep trying to tell myself that I wouldn’t have so many loyal friends and an amazing DH if I was “impossible” – true, these people are on my wavelength, so they’re going to embrace me more easily that she does, but I find it heartbreaking that while so many people in my life refer to me in such positive terms, ie: trustworthy, open, warm-hearted, generous, witty, quirky, gregarious, that she just condemns me as a pain in the arse??!

I have tried to paint as fair a picture as possible here. Am I in the wrong and do I need a reality check, or should I give up on trying to extend the olive branch to DM and forge ahead in my life without her?

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FlabulousChix · 25/05/2015 23:51

In your shoes I'd cut my losses and disown her she is toxic. What a nasty horrible woman she clearly has issues. Wouldn't surprise me if she was jealous of you.

BerylStreep · 26/05/2015 00:09

I agree, I think she is toxic, for whatever reason.

It sounds like you have forged a really lovely life for yourself, with success In friends, relationship, and work. Hold on to those things, and don't let her judgemental sniping drag you down.

M00nUnit · 26/05/2015 00:15

YNBU. You sound lovely and she sounds impossible.

TelephoneIgnoringMachine · 26/05/2015 00:32

She sounds horrid. If she wasn't your mother, would you want someone like this in your life?

Sapat · 26/05/2015 00:49

At the risk of going against the grain I think you have been over-reliant emotionally, financially and practically on both parents for too long and now the relationship has turned sour because the roles and responsibilities have become muddled up. You are an adult yet have the emotional needs of a child.

You are intelligent, so grow up, get some counselling and stop seeking your mother's approval. You might then find that, with time, distance and emotional maturity you both like each other more.

however · 26/05/2015 02:01

I see Sapat's point to be honest.

However, I will say that you're not unusual in wanting the approval of your mother now that you're an adult. I think it's human nature, not childish. You might not ever get her approval, so you need to work on accepting that and moving on.

I also think your mother has done some pretty spiteful stuff, I mean, honestly, what sort of person goes to the trouble of cutting out newspaper articles that they agree with, highlighting them and waving them in the face of someone with the opposite opinion?

I guess it's also difficult for you, as you have no siblings to bounce off. To ask, "is this OK?"

I admire you hugely for getting a masters and getting published. That is an amazing achievement. I'd be as proud as punch if any of my kids achieved that.

I also think the fact that you have a good man and lots of friends speaks volumes. I'd also try to foster relationships outside of his friendship group though.

Aussiebean · 26/05/2015 02:37

My Hess is once you hit puberty you were no longer the little mini me who would parrot her beliefs and opinions and adhere to her every command. Instead you (quite rightly) started to develop your own opinions and started to voice them. (As you should)

Every other parent, supports and encourages this. But that is not her plan. You are to be her puppet. So she starts to belittle you, kill your self esteem and critise you until you went back to be her play thing.

She is quite toxic to you and your family.

Have a look at the stately homes thread ( you might find similar stories) and continue the low or no Contact.

Finola1step · 26/05/2015 02:47

Aussiebean has got it spot on. Sorry.

StupidBloodyKindle · 26/05/2015 03:21

Oh my giddy aunt.
You have been through such a lot, you poor love.
You are very articulate. Don't forget to let us know your novel's name.
You have done brilliantly and I'd be immensely proud if you were mine.
Chasing her approval is like chasing rainbows as she clearly does not want to hear any opinion not mirroring her own.
NC with her DSis big clue there. Your father is the peacemaker but also sadly the enabler. He should really be pulling her up on her behaviour or should have come round to help without her. God help you if you have kids.
Love should be unconditional. She sounds wholly judgemental, hellbent on putting you down, where everything has to be on her terms.
Well sod that. You have a life now. Go live it.
Stay in touch with Dad but stop trying to please Mum. It's just not working.
If she wants to see you, she needs to respect you and she doesn't.
So she only gets to see you now if she plays nice. That means no control freakery or telling you what to think. My God, the phrase If I want your opinion I'll give it to you was made for her. Here are articles for you to wise up. Please! Shite like that you need to either laugh about and say thank you, with no regard to reading other than to see how right wing she might be,then recycle, use as bog roll or just eye roll to dp/dh.
But ultimately she will not see what she us doing as EA.
Do not see her alone. Keep a log of her behaviour, comments, criticisms and digs in whatever form. Do not respond...go to the bathroom if need be, but keep a log nonetheless. Distract, divert, ignore, do not rise, ask dp to comment each and every time there is something negative. Try and think of it as a linguistic game and change each venomous toxic line into something positive. Stay calm and in control. Then at the end of a few weeks, review your log and speak with your father, show him the evidence, see whether he is going to continue excusing her.
At some point you may have to cut your losses. Either by cutting ties emotionally or going non contact. Or pour it into your writing.What does your partner think?

Annabannbobanna · 26/05/2015 04:00

I think you both sound like drama llamas tbh. My mother loves an audience, she will never get one from me. I just can't be arsed. Let it all go, it ain't worth it.

millionsmom · 26/05/2015 04:42

YANBU, she's very toxic and I think more than a little jealous of you and all you've achieved. Just compare your relationships with others - not with her - and hers, who has more?
Your DF is all she has, and he shouldn't be enabling her, but he does, probably because, as he sees it, he's all she has. She's got him right where she wants him and he's been so brainwashed he can't see how abusive it is.

Going no contact is my advice, it won't stop you wishing things were better, but it will stop any new attacks - or rather any direct new attacks as I'm sure she'll find another way to get to you.

Best of luck.

YokoUhOh · 26/05/2015 05:52

Congrats on everything you've achieved, you've done brilliantly!

Your mother is an authoritarian personality, and my guess is she also has this:

www.lightshouse.org/things-people-with-ocpd-say.html

Good luck with however you decide to handle the situation. You deserve to be happy.

winkywinkola · 26/05/2015 06:28

Contact your aunt. See what she is like.

I would avoid contact with your mother. You can't win. Ever. She will never approve of you because you are different to her. Would she ever agree to disagree?

As for being dependent on your parents, that's not true. You ran into difficulties and your family helped you out. Isn't that what family is there for!? You were very young when your dp committed suicide. Just terrible for anyone to cope with.

Nurture and relish the positive relations you do have.

Your df - does he agree with every word uttered by your dm?

AttilaTheMeerkat · 26/05/2015 07:00

Its not you, its your mother. Forge ahead without her, you really owe your parents nothing.

I would certainly agree with Aussiebean's comments here re your mother.
Your father is her hatchet man really and cannot be relied on either. He has failed to protect you from her malign influences, such weak men need someone to idolise and such women like your mother always but always need an enabler to help them. Your dad may well ultimately side with his wife as well for a quiet life so you may well lose contact with him, he will throw you to the wolves to save his sorry skin.

They did not emotionally invest in you enough and I think you were seen by your mother as a mini version of her; when you were younger you were easier to control. She certainly did not like it when you developed opinions of your own and so attempted to squash these.

Her no contact with her own sister is also a huge red flag as well; its not due solely to personality clashes. That is far too glib a term.

Phoenix0x0 · 26/05/2015 07:25

Aussiebean is spot on here.

You childhood was great, because she could dictate terms (control you), as you reached puberty she was less able to do this and has successfully chipped away at your self esteem.

This is not normal. Personally, I think her behaviour comes from a place of fear and that is why she has to control everything (the no listening to music, the OCD in regards to tidiness etc). I also agree with atilla that the NC with her sister is a red flag.

If she causes so much stress, plays down your achievements (to put you in your place), then why not be happy with the contact that you have already?

My childhood was good, but when I hit puberty my relationship with my mother deteriorated. She would chip away at my self esteem, use emotional blackmail etc.....

It has taken me until the last two years to realise that it isn't normal, that it was toxic and really effected me. I am virtually NC. It's the best thing I ever did.

Quitelikely · 26/05/2015 08:43

I do not think this woman is for turning. She is who she is and I doubt she is ever going to change her ways and opinion of you.

You have done nothing wrong as far as I can tell from your post.

Sometimes when children grow and don't act or make the life decisions parents think they should they end up with a relationship like yours.

Your life isn't hers to live though. It's yours!!

I think you need to accept the situation for what it is. Giving thought to it will burn you out.

Seek therapy if necessary to come to terms with it all but stop analysing.

Don't you think she has caused you enough upset? Don't let her take another minute of your life.

Flowers
Anniegetyourgun · 26/05/2015 09:19

Yes, what Aussiebean said is pretty much the obvious explanation, you were nurtured as long as you were an extension of her but ceased to find favour as soon as you began to behave like a human being in your own right. As you can never go back to being ten years old (and who would honestly want to?) your relationship won't ever be that close again, although you may be able to forge a prickly truce.

Clearly the upset over using your own name to publish your book was the first excuse she could dredge up, rather than the real reason. Changing it didn't mollify her one bit, as it would if she had had a genuine problem with it. Most parents would be completely thrilled if our DC were about to become a published author. We might have the odd quibble but would try not to say too much so we didn't sound negative. Conversely your mother's first reaction is to seize on something - anything - to have a major fit about. I doubt she'd be any happier if you hadn't been successful, mind you. It would only have given her something different to moan about.

Sadly you can't really do anything about it as, as said above, you can't turn back time to become a malleable little girl again. You have grown up and she can't cope with that. She ought to have had a little dog instead of a child.

It's a horrible thing to have lost a parent's approval. However, the one losing out most from this is your mother. You have a loving partner, friends, a career, potential as an author, and relative youth. She has an enabling husband who she has to share with the daughter he persists in caring about, and her newspaper cuttings. Perhaps you can spare a little pity for her in her close-minded bitterness, but don't feel guilty if you can't. She asked for this. You didn't.

NettleTea · 26/05/2015 09:38

this might be interesting reading for you.

Have you sought counselling at all? You have been through a HUGE amount, and despite the outwardly perfect childhood it seems you have grown up with low self esteem and anxiety - possibly linked to you not having a voice in the family.

Ataraxy · 26/05/2015 10:05

You definitely need some space from your mum. I'm not necessarily getting the impression it's all one-way toxic from your mum (although some of the things you describe are certainly not healthy) more like you two are very different types of people eg you love your music, your mum loves peace. That bit's ok.

However, there's more here and I agree with others that you need the space to grow into yourself and not be as reliant on your mum for emotional support (I don't get the impression that she's able to supply this for you very well). If you do this then in time this may shift the relationship to one where you can both be around each other.

You can't do anything about how your mum is but you can change how you react to her. I don't mean that you need to accept the negative/toxic side of her just that you need to find your own emotional resilience. Given all you've been through I'm sure that you have it. Flowers

Meerka · 26/05/2015 11:40

It sounds like she hates you.

She can't accept you having different opinions and because of that she puts you down consistently and nastily.

If your DF wasn't there, would your mother have stepped up in your times of need or would she have said "get on with it on your own"?

fwiw I think that parents should support even adult children who are doing their level best but have hit a rough patch that is too much for them. A helping hand to get them on their own feet again. Freely given, not with strings nor with endless recriminations.

it's also one hell of a shame that she won't believe you about the non-existent affair.

I do wonder why you developed anxiety and depressoin as a teen. Was it hormonal/teen stuff, or was your younger childhood not quite as happy as you remember? (it could be either; genuine question there).

Being around someone who grinds you down so much is not good for you.

I think that you've done the best you can but that there is no need to extend more olive branches. Just be open to resuming a relationship if she ever mellows in future years / old age.

You might need to think through how changing the way you are with her, will affect the relationship with your father whom you're clearly very close to. There are a few ways of changing how you are with your mother, and it's worth thinking about how that will affect the relationship with your father eg

  • simply not trying so much with your mother - will she get upset and try to keep your father away? Or will she not notice?
  • going LC, not reaching out - how will she take that and how will she influence your father?
  • going NC - same questions
onthebrinkithink · 26/05/2015 12:30

Thanks for all your responses.

Flabulous “It wouldn’t be surprised if she was jealous of you”
I actually put this to her around the time I moved out, 10 years ago. She said that I was being absurd and why would someone like her who had made the right decisions in life be jealous of me who had made the wrong ones? I said she was jealous of the fact that DF and I got on so well, to which she accused me of playing him of against her because I wanted to split them up! I was truly gobsmacked when I heard this – I would be devastated if they split up!

Telephone “What would you want someone like this in your life?”
Because despite everything that’s happened, I still crave that mother / daughter bond. I’m a sentimental sod and often become awash with memories of how nurturing she was when I was younger. Also, my DF is significantly older than my DM and I would hate for him to go to his grave knowing that the relationship between DM and I had not been resolved.

However “I’d also try to foster relationships outside of his friendship group*
I am very fortunate that I do already have plenty of other friendships besides the friends I met through him.

Kindle Making a log of everything sounds like a great idea. Last week alone I got “you clearly got a pelvic prolapse because you’re so huge” (I’m a size 14) “it was ridiculous that you picked two married women to be your bridesmaids”, “you’re 36, but you still act like you’re 18” (because I’m going to a music festival) and that I was a “slothern” because I wasn’t sitting at my dining table to eat my sandwich! (I was eating in on the move because she arrived 40 minutes early!)

Yoko Your ocpd link resonated with me. Especially “everyone else is so lazy and careless” – this is the very reason why she doesn’t get on with my aunt, as she thinks she is a slob. I have no contact details for my aunt who lives 200 miles away. My DM was insistent that she shouldn’t be invited to my wedding as it was unfair on DM to have to tolerate her! 90% of conversations seem to revolve around other people’s inadequate standards are. Ie: “the neighbour hasn’t cut their grass in three weeks, it’s dreadful!” “you should see junk they put in their shopping trolley!”

Quite “I do not think this woman is for turning”. That made both me & DH laugh out loud!

Nettle Thanks for the link, I shall have a good read of it later today. I shall also check out the Stately Homes thread.
I underwent counselling a few years ago, but I found it no more helpful than speaking to close friends about the issue. The counselor seemed to think that I was very grounded considering everything I’d been through and didn’t seem to be sure what to suggest to help me that I hadn’t already tried.

Meerka
“If DF wasn’t there, would your mother have stepped up in your times of need?”
I very much doubt it – she is very much the “get on with it and make your own way” kind of person.

I do think the anxiety and depression I developed a teen was entirely hormonal. I went from being carefree and happy to this state almost overnight and my appearance changed dramatically – I suffered from horrendous acne for years and my glands were constantly swollen.
I don’t have a single unhappy memory of childhood and I’m honestly not in denial. I remember a DM who read to me every night, cultivating my love of literature and who would go without so that I could have things I needed. She has since thrown it back in my face, saying that she sacrificed her career to stay at home with me and she feels that it’s all been for nothing because I don’t appreciate her.

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logicalfallacy101 · 26/05/2015 13:07

Hi Op..Meerka good post. FWIW I see some of my mum's behaviour in your DM and some of my DD behaviour in you. Both at times drama-lamas (love it). Its not as b&w as it seems. Faults on both sides. Tho doesn't excuse your DM preventing you seeing dgm for all these years.

Concerned her attitude towards your teen MH situation has caused irreparable emotional trauma to you. Waving cut out political articles in your face suggests low-self esteem re her abilty to be able to hold a balanced dialogue with you. I find both my DM & DD were/are on the npd spectrum. Not easy to navigate. Hope you survive this Flowers. Tho not suggesting for a minute that that you are on said spectrum.

BerylStreep · 26/05/2015 17:51

OP, a few things that come to mind, not in any particular order.

I think it is very telling that your Mum accused you of trying to split up their relationship. That tells me that your DF has tried to defend you, and that has enraged her more. It would also explain why your DF is keen to help you out with things, not only because he loves you, but also because he feels bad because of the way your Mum behaves towards you.

There are a few things you have said that make me think that even though you know her behaviour is wrong, you still play a very submissive role. For example, changing your pen name. Why did you change it back? I actually think publishing a book under your married name would be a strong message (to both of you) that you have moved on, and you have a new family. Is it too late to change it back to your married name?

Her harping on about the supposed affair - again, you constantly defending yourself and allowing her to harp on about it puts you in a very submissive position. A lot of people would be saying it is none of her damn business, and they don't give a shit if she doesn't believe them, and perhaps it is worth questioning why you feel you have to accept her bringing it up and judging you again and again.

She 'let' you hug her (after she had spent the day insulting you) only after an hour of your DF mediating? Shock Do you realise how messed up that sounds? Why did you hug her? Do you realise by doing that you effectively handed her a lot of power, and I bet she loved the drama. You need to stop doing that.

Keeping a log of her put downs? - meh - why invest more energy giving her atrocious behaviour any more attention. Do you really need a log to know what she is like? Have the last 20 years not shown you? Why do you need to show a log to your Dad? I know you love him, I know you want his approval, but saying you couldn't bear him going to his grave knowing your relationship with your Mum hadn't resolved just doesn't make sense. If he loves you, and I think he clearly does, he would be happier that you have got to a stage where your Mum can no longer hurt you. You don't need to convince your Dad that her behaviour is awful. You need to work on yourself.

Finally, I realise that you have listed the events that have happened to you in order to give background to your OP. It is also brilliant that you have achieved so much having faced such adversity. But I wonder if it now defines you in your image of who you are? I don't mean it in a critical way. I too suffered some extremely traumatic things in my past, and having got through them, I think it made me more resilient. But for many many years, I carried a chronology of events around with me, which sort of stopped me from genuinely moving forward. In my own mind, I was 'Beryl who overcame that trauma and has done well in spite of it'. Thankfully, I am now at a stage in my life where it is rare that I even think of those things that happened, and whilst I don't like to think about them, I have come to a sort of peace about what happened.

You can't change your Mum. It is sad. She isn't the lovely nurturing mother you remember from your childhood. She is bitter and spiteful, and seeks to hurt you whenever she can. Personally I would go no contact, but I think you need to really think about why you have such a need to have her approval, which unfortunately is never, ever going to happen.

Atenco · 26/05/2015 18:07

Lots of good stuff here from people who know, but I just wanted to say that if you are still suffering from mood swings, etc. you might want to try acupuncture, it worked brilliantly with my dd, who had dreadful pmt and other problems.

flimflamflarnfilth · 26/05/2015 18:11

Such a sad string of events and yet you sound like you're in such a better place now. That's impressive and you shouldn't lose sight of that.
I think a pp touched on this up thread but do you think perhaps you remind her of her sister and it's misplaced anger/bitterness?
As you don't remember the shoe lace thing do you think it could be something that happened when they were kids and she's muddled the memory?