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Another sexless relationship thread. How do i/we work through it?

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Cassie258 · 11/05/2015 23:45

DP and I have been together a reasonably long time. Just over 8 years. Since DD was born 3.5 years ago, he's been less likely to have sex with me. We were down to every two/three weeks for about two years and now it's probably closer to once every three week/monthly.

He refuses to touch me affectionately. Says it's a personal space thing he's developed. He's very affectionate with DD tho. There was a long time where he'd go out drinking and come back as his passionate old self. I wasn't so concerned that it took alcohol for him to find me attractive just glad to have the affection and it rolled over into the next week or so after.

I fully believe that we are at that awkward stage where touch has become an issue and if we make the effort, it'll come back naturally.

He says he does still get sexual urges but it never seems to be at the right time.

I think out of guilt he has become a much better boyfriend all round, taking us places at the weekend instead of seeing friends. Paying more instead of ensuring everything is equal.

I've also started snoring like a bear. Possibly out of tiredness/stress of life which means he really struggles to sleep in the same room as me because he has that thing where noises really big him.

Anyway, the reason I'm posting is because we possibly just had our most awkward moment yet. He went straight to the spare room instead of attempting to come into our room which he normally does. I asked if he wanted to have sex and when he said no, I said if you change your mind you know where I am.

Five mins later he comes in. I joke about shall we kiss/spoon wtc and he says I'm just going to lie here for a minute. He's just lying there physically working himself up to it. There's never any foreplay/kissing. I joke that I feel I should be more involved in this part. He then says he feels too awkward about it. He literally can't bring himself to have sex with me. But then he makes no attempt to be affectionate and arouse either of us. No wonder it's awkward.

We've just put an offer in on our second house together. I said maybe that's not a good idea. He's agreed. We've had this conversation a thousand times since DD wS born. We are great companions but not sexually. We used to be so passionate.

So... If you're still with me... What can I/we do????

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Ledkr · 12/05/2015 08:16

Sorry but he blamed you for becoming pregnant?
I think that therein lies your problem.

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Sickoffrozen · 12/05/2015 08:28

Cassie, it rarely gets any better from what I read and you are in your twenties, not 50's. Sometimes men will stay with you because of the child you share. They have a fear of losing them.

You need to put the house move on hold because that is not a good idea with you feeling like this.

My experience of splitting is that when your child is young, it is better to do it then rather than drag thing on for another 10 years and then do it. Shared parenting is more common now and you can maintain a reasonable relationship if you are good friends now. This could easily end messily if one of you has an affair, which could happen!

The scene you painted of the other night was not good. He is telling you he would rather be in the spare room and you almost begged him for sex which he felt obliged to do.

You need to have a proper chat and if he has sexual hang ups then he may need counselling to address these. Only he will know if it is that though.

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pocketsaviour · 12/05/2015 08:42

You poor thing. I think there's two or three problems here:

  1. He no longer sees you as a sexual person, only as a mother
  2. He (still?) blames you for getting pregnant and fears it will happen again
  3. He thinks that relationships become sexless after a while anyway. (Undoubtedly this is what happened with his parents.)


Bottom line, is he willing to go to counselling (probably a mixture of joint and individual for him) to work on those issues, in order to save your marriage?

If he will, and he can get over these hang ups (not "putting more effort in", not "working myself up to it and having sex with gritted teeth or when drunk") then your marriage has a chance. If he won't accept that he has a problem, then I think for the sake of your self-esteem, you should leave.
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Isetan · 12/05/2015 09:13

He's not a great bf, he's a good companion and you obviously want more.

There's a lot going on in your relationship that hasn't and isn't being addressed, briefly talked about but not addressed. You may no longer be compatible or your bf's obvious issues around sex could be addressed to your mutual satisfaction but you can't continue doing what your doing and expect a different outcome.

It's time to start addressing the issues and counselling is a good place to start.







Counselling is

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StaceyAndTracey · 12/05/2015 09:49

I don't know what his problem is . But I know it's his problem not yours .

You wrote " I joke about shall we kiss/spoon wtc and he says I'm just going to lie here for a minute. He's just lying there physically working himself up to it. There's never any foreplay/kissing"

Is this always how it has been between you ?. I hesitate to use the word " normal " in relation to sex, because everyone is different, but this really isn't normal in a 28 year old man . He's definitely got some kind of problem .

I see that you have been with him since you were 19 - sorry to be so personal , but did your have any partners before him ?

But whatever his problem is, it will never get fixed unless he wants to, and he doesn't want to becaus he's perfectly happy the way he is .

So he's not willing to change and you are not happy the way things are . Stalemate . Either accept this is how you will live for the rest of your life or leave .

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MrsTedCrilly · 12/05/2015 09:51

He sounds like he has problems that are nothing to do with you, I know you must be taking it personally but I don't think it's because of you. He sounds bizarre, especially the personal space issue.. You're his partner for cripes sake! I have heard this sometimes with gym bunnies, supplements reducing testosterone.. Another thing is do you think he could be gay? My brother got like this with a girlfriend when he could no longer keep up the act and couldn't bring himself to touch her anymore.

My partner and I do it the same frequency as you but this is fine because he is always touching, hugging and feeling me up. I can't imagine how rejected you feel.. You need to sit him down and lay it out for him. You deserve to be adored.

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gatewalker · 12/05/2015 10:12

Yes, Madonna-Whore complex, I think. He is splitting -- you have become "mother", and he cannot reconcile sex with the projection he has put on you. Unless he's able to consider this possibility and go to therapy, there's little to nothing you can do, OP.

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JohnFarleysRuskin · 12/05/2015 10:15

I'd give an ultimatum - sort this out, via docs, counselling, talking, etc - or split up.

You are far, far too young to settle for this shit.

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JeanSeberg · 12/05/2015 10:29

Also interested to know how it was your fault you got pregnant?

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YoungBeauBet · 12/05/2015 10:52

I am very sorry you are going through this. But I am exactly in the same situation. He is my soulmate, best friend, great dad for our DC1 and DC2. we are both 29. We do have sex several times a week sometimes, though usually it's once or twice a month. Anyway it was always lack of passion from his side, he never initiated first. I never knew what was going on until I accidentally found gay porn on his PC. I was so shocked. He is very masculine, I would never think about it. Then I read several books and articles in internet about Gay Husbands, Straight Wives. And all, ALL in these books reminded me my marriage. The only difference - there is no abuse from his side. I still don't know what to do. Divorce? I tried to talk to him but he denies all and I know he lies. We are really good friends, best friends...
I know now it sounds crazy for you but if you ask any straight man he will tell you that if you and husband have great relations, then he would want you. And it's big red flag that he may not be straight. Maybe it's not your case. I hope it's not but google information about Gay husbands, Straight Wives.

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Smorgasboard · 12/05/2015 11:00

If I'm interpreting right, was he laying there wanking to get an erection until he judged himself 'ready' for PIV. That is a crazy way to behave if so. At his age if he needs to do that then something is going on either mentally or some ingested cause. You seem to put a lot of faith in his honesty, perhaps you could just ask him what he's playing at with that performance? From how he's behaved towards you - blaming you for pregnancy, assuming you'd accept a lack-lustre performance for the rest of your life with him - seems he has no respect for you, but it may be that he has a general lack of respect for women too. You could try going out more and being with people who do respect you and make you feel good about yourself. Sounds like you may as well go to the gym too in the evenings. If he's such a gym bunny,I'd guess he has a competitive nature so you might get more response by showing him what he's missing, before you chuck in the towel totally - at the same time it will build your own confidence and self esteem. Find yourself as an individual too, we mothers have lots of other individual needs going on Wink

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Cherryapple1 · 12/05/2015 11:20

Sounds awful - whatever the reasons are how long are you prepared to sit around waiting for him to want you? Maybe it is steroids, an OW or something else. But he has to want to change - and he clearly doesn't want to.

What a waste and an insidious erosion of your own confidence. I would get out now I'm afraid.

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wallaby73 · 12/05/2015 11:35

Seriously, you are in your twenties. Why would you? Am sure you are "great together" - as really good mates and parents. But your intimacy and sex life are crucial, it's what differentiates a relationship from "friendship", companionship, whatever you wish to call it. It sounds utterly soul destroying to have him reject you over and over, and it's not your fault, you are already blaming yourself, so the erosion of your self esteem and sense of self has already started. Just to think of him lying next to you "getting himself ready", oh dear lord I can't imagine how utterly appalling that felt for you. You are a very young woman, and you will still be great parents apart rather than having to live with this rejection. Please, for the sake of your own sanity, move on.......Thanks

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Cassie258 · 12/05/2015 11:53

No he wasn't lying there wanking. Literally lying there preparing mentally for the torture he was about to endure I think. Unless he's doing something in his mind to turn him on/shut off whatever it is that stops him wanting it.

Yes I've had partners before. Enough partnersWink

He was taking a 'natural' testosterone supplement for a while. Said it didn't do anything.

I've tried dressing up. I'll come down stairs and I'll just sit there watching tv looking like a twat. Then we'll go to bed and he says he's going to sleep. Tired wtc. I've given up with that.

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Cherryapple1 · 12/05/2015 11:56

So - why do you stay with him? Hardly doing much for your self esteem is he.

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Justmuddlingalong · 12/05/2015 12:12

You will drive yourself mad. Dressing up, always initiating physical contact, questioning yourself. He is a good friend, the father of your DD. He is not your perfect partner. Nothing will improve in your relationship. He isn't being honest about something, and when you don't understand what's wrong, how can you begin to address it? You are clinging on to the relationship you want, not the relationship you have. I'm sorry, but each subsequent post has told us just how miserable you are about the situation.

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StaceyAndTracey · 12/05/2015 12:16

Oh my, I thought that " physically working himself up to it " meant wanking to get an erection .

I'm sorry , my dear , but you must know that this is so very far from normal in a 28 year old healthy man . You cannot fix whatever is wrong with him. This isn't going to work.

You need to make plans to leave . I'm sorry

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Sickoffrozen · 12/05/2015 12:24

Dressing up didn't work because you are not the issue, he is!

You will be flogging a dead horse and watching your self esteem float down the river if he does nothing to address this.

The only part of it that you can control is whether you remain with him or not. That is your choice!

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ThisTimeIAmMagic · 12/05/2015 12:27

I would be saying he's definitely gay but for the very frequent sex you had before DC. I think tbh he sounds like he finds your new body off putting if you were slim before especially if he goes to the gym a lot. Agree with the Madonna whore thing too.

Don't rule out him being gay. I know a gay man who was married 3 times before he came out. In all 3 marriages he had a sex life but also looked at gay porn.

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Cassie258 · 12/05/2015 13:02

Oh and the pregnancy thing... He said he was ready to start a family and maybe, if I wanted, we could start trying in a few months. Obviously we had talked about it previously and he knew I would want to.

About two months later, there is a shortage of my pill. I then have to go a few days without. Stupid I know, I should have planned better. Anyway, then I said to him to be sure I'd like to wait until I had a period before I took the pill again. In that two weeks we carried on stupidly as normal, et voila, shockingly, we conceived a child. He knows it takes two but he thinks I lied about a shortage to create the situation. He is over it (well never brings it up) now that he loves DD so much.

Once when he was drunk and she was teeny tiny, he came home and said he didn't love me any more. He was only with me for her. After that he's always said he never meant it and he doesn't know why he said it.

He's definitely only with me because of DD. He loves me but wouldn't stay like this if it wasn't for her.

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StaceyAndTracey · 12/05/2015 13:04

I missed the it where the op said she had a new body ( and id like to know where you can buy these ) . She said she was " Chunky not fat " , so like many mothers in their 20s rather than a teenager . So far pretty normal .


However, since lots of chunky, fat and obsese people have great sex lives, I think its unlikely to be caused by an extra few pounds . Otherwise most Mumsnetters woudl never have any sex. Hands up everyone who couldnt do with losing half a stone ???? < peers around >

I think that blaming the Op when her partner either has no sex drive ( because he's ill or self medicating ) or is getting it elsewhere , is pretty unhelpful .

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StaceyAndTracey · 12/05/2015 13:07

" He's definitely only with me because of DD. He loves me but wouldn't stay like this if it wasn't for her."

Cassie, you have your answer. You are young, end this now. You have the rest of your life to find a man who loves you .

Your Bf can still be a good father when you live apart .

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Laquitar · 12/05/2015 13:52

I am sorry but i dont agree with the Madonna/whore theory. Do we have a 'Jesus V sexy man' syndrome?

The steroids theory - maybe.

Are you sure that the relationship and sex was good before? Sometimes when we are in early stages and making plans for future, buying first house, decorating, first pregnancy etc it is easy to convence yourself that everything is good when it is not that good.

The scene in the bedroom is so cynical and so sad for a young couple imo - sorry. You can not live like this.

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HelenaDove · 12/05/2015 14:26

So he blamed you for getting pregnant even though.
a, it takes two
b. he knew you had a shortage of your pill. He sounds like hes taking advantage of societys habit of women being blamed for mens behaviour.

Bet the reason he doesnt want to split is because he will actually have to do some parenting on his own and cut down on his gym/leisure time.

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