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Friend having issues dating... Your opinions please

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shellistar · 11/05/2015 10:53

I'm on here cos my friend has asked my oppinion and although I've told him what I think, I feel a wider audience might give better answers/more constructive advice than I have.

I don't want to drip feed so it's all here: I have a friend, let's call him Bruce. We met 3 years ago on an online dating site and dated for about 3 months but quickly realised that we were more suited to friendship than a romantic relationship. We get on really well and text each other every so often and occasionally will go for meals to catch up or to the cinema if it's a film that we're both interested in that no one else we know wants to go see (iyswim). There is no "feelings" between us, I have a boyfriend who I love dearly who respects my friendship and knows there is nothing untoward. Bruce and I equally pay our way when we go out so its all fair and square. So now you have the back ground.

So Bruce has been not as lucky in love as I have since we decided to remain friends. He's done a great deal of dating and a few months ago found a girl (let's call her Ivy) who he thought he might have a future with. I have never met Ivy and can't really comment on her personally, all I have is info given from Bruce. I know she is in the last year of Uni (Bruce and I are both very early 30's) and lives about 50 miles from Bruce. Bruce is happy to travel to meet her each weekend and has been doing so for a number of weeks. I don't know whether Ivy works but Bruce does have a good job although not one that means he can afford 5* living. He's not well off but happy and comfortable with his income.

A couple of weeks ago and very early into the relationship Ivy announced that she loved Bruce. Bruce is a sensitive but not overly demonstrative guy but is now in the same place as Ivy, although it took some time for him to be sure of his feelings as those three words are quite strong ones to him.

So here is the issue. Things are going great between them but she has a history similar to the one I have with Bruce. She met a guy named Harvey but soon realised that there was no spark. However Harvey doesn't seem to have been notified. The issue is that Harvey is loaded and regularly buys Ivy gifts and makes daily declarations of love to her. Ivy has admitted she takes advantage of the fact that Harvey is in love with her and let's him buy her all sorts of gifts.

Ivy's always reminding Bruce that he is poor and that Harvey would buy her anything she wanted (albeit in a joking way) but she says it a lot. She also told Harvey this weekend that she's going on holiday to Spain with Harvey and he's paying for the 2 of them to go camping in the same tent. Ivy told Bruce that although Harvey is always making a pass at her she always refuses him.

To top it all off, Bruce didn't go up this weekend because it's Ivy's final week in uni. She did say that Bruce was welcome but he insisted that she needed her space to ensure she was able to complete her work. However when Bruce spoke to Ivy this weekend it turned out she was spending her time with Harvey and that once again Harvey took her shopping to buy lots of clothing and other items.

Bruce has told Ivy that although he isn't comfortable with the Spain holiday, it's her life and she must choose what she does.

Bruce has asked my oppinion and my advice was that she was acting very immaturely and wasn't being fair on either of them - Ivy is using both the guys to get everything she wants and doesn't understand what she is doing wrong. She's also making him feel bad for things he can't change (money) and if you honestly love someone you wouldn't do that. I pointed out to Bruce that my friendship with him has a very similar story to Ivy and Harvey's but we're not stringing each along for kicks, we actually like to be friends.

Do any of you guys have any further insight to this?

Ps sorry for the Batman names. I was under orders -by Bruce Wayne-

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everyvotecounts · 11/05/2015 16:14

the op states "bruce" has "done a great deal of dating" (which is certainly true and possible if you're online dating). he is the one who has chosen the 21 year old.

if you're online dating you have the option of going on a date very regularly, and screening who you meet and don't meet.

bruce is the one valuing the ("airhead", "prostitute", any more generic woman hating terms to come?).

if it's so much hassle to date her, he could make the choice to date someone close to his age who lives nearer. he's only been DATING her for a few months, there aren't any kids involved i presume?

no-one is holding a gun to his head and making him do it.

everyvotecounts · 11/05/2015 16:17

shell what "advice" do you want?

you seem to just want some online confirmation bias that "ivy" is a slag and bad news you're right? bruce probably knows she is "bad news" but values her presence in his life because she's 21 and he sees her as physically attractive.

shellistar · 11/05/2015 16:18

Every there are far too many reasons, none of which you need to know, as to why Bruce has been dating for a significant period.

Plus you're making assumptions about every aspect of this. Even I don't know how old this girl/woman is. I've never referred to her in a derogatory way (other than to point out that I think she may be immature) because I don't know her.

You seem overly invested in looking into this far more than needs be.

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TheJiminyConjecture · 11/05/2015 16:26

Just putting it out there that my mil is finishing uni this year. Not everyone goes at 18

shellistar · 11/05/2015 16:28

Thanks Jiminy. I started Uni at 21 myself Wink

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everyvotecounts · 11/05/2015 16:32

don't think anyone knows how old she is, even the op, i'm a mature myself.

did bruce actually ask you to come onto Mumsnet and ask for advice or did you suggest it?

"We get on really well and text each other every so often and occasionally will go for meals to catch up or to the cinema if it's a film that we're both interested in that no one else we know wants to go see (iyswim)"

that doesn't seem like a really close friendship to me.

everyvotecounts · 11/05/2015 16:36

"She also told Harvey this weekend that she's going on holiday to Spain with Harvey and he's paying for the 2 of them to go camping in the same tent."

if i was being a kept woman i'd want summat a bit better than a tent, for sure

shellistar · 11/05/2015 16:39

He asked me for advice and I suggested Mumsnet as you guys are straight to the point. My judgement may or may not be clouded because I know more details and the reasons behind certain things. An honest, unbiased opinion was sought and he's been on to read it all (and text me in the mean time) and he thinks that you guys are brutal yet honest.

Plus, while I really don't have to justify the closeness of my friendship to anyone I know that we don't need to live in each others pockets to be able to be close, we both have pretty hectic lives but know the other person is there for them. Goodness me Hmm

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EhricLovesTheBhrothers · 11/05/2015 16:48

However old Ivy is or isn't, she's not behaving like a nice person or a respectful girlfriend and Bruce should grow a pair and do the obvious thing which is DTMFA

HazleNutt · 11/05/2015 16:55

Ivy has some guys obviously in love with her and happy to be treated whichever way she pleases - so she does, they're not going anywhere but keep coming back for more. Of course, she is quite unlikely to have a proper relationship with either of those men, as she obviously has no respect for them. Come on, Bruce, get a backbone!

Heebiejeebie · 11/05/2015 19:46

What's actually your question? Ivy has been honest, so far as any of us know, and it's up to Bruce if he can live with what she's offering.

Zillie77 · 11/05/2015 19:47

Wow, Bruce, if you see this thread, don't take it personally! But do get yourself a girlfriend who is so crazy about you that no "tents get popped" unless you are involved.

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