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Don't want to be the bastard. Please advise.

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putmestraight123 · 27/04/2015 23:01

This is my first post, but you don't have to be gentle because I was being a bastard and I absolutely hate myself for it.

My story. I've been together with my wife for about 10 years and we have 1 DS. Things haven't been great for a few years, but I absolutely love my DW, and my family is the most important thing to me. I've been a bit disconnected from my DW partially due to mismatch of sex drives. My DW would be OK having sex once a month and she never initiates it, while I am quite happy to do it twice a day. We talked numerous times over the last 7-8 years regarding this. I mentioned, in fact begged, that we need some romance in our life where we show each other by words and actions that we care for and love each other. We've agreed, as a compromise, to have sex, roughly, twice a week. However, that didn't last long and we're back to squre one on this issue. This is the background.

I've known a woman through my hobby for about 4 years now. The first time I met her, I was quite attracted to her and we hit it off straight. We used to meet each other through our hobby and mutual friends once a week. We've become quite close friends during this period, but I always had feelings for her. I presume the feeling's were mutual from her too, but we both respected my situation of being a married man without ever verbalising it. Apart from this, we're quite open in our communication and nearly nothing is out of bounds in our conversation. I know that we'd be compatible emotionally and sexually. A couple of years aog, after a few drinks I expressed my feelings to her and she said that she felt the same. The next day after the alcohol wore off, I was quite shocked that I blurted out my feelings and was scared that I am putting my marriage and family at risk. Consequently I reduced my partake in the hobby and meeting this woman to about once a month (compared to once a week). I felt that it was working until recently when we went out with a few friends. Both of us were a bit merry, but not drunk, and I said that I love her and we shared a passionate kiss. However, thankfully we stopped at that. At that time it felt great and I felt I was alive. However, since then I've been quite angry with myself. I feel guilty that I did this to my wife. Even though we didn't have sex, I feel I cheated on my lovely DW. I feel I've let everyone down and I am finding quite difficult to cope with the guilt. My feelings are all over the place. My DW thought that my mood is because of a work related issue. I was quite close in disclosing to her on an occasion, but didn't (If she finds out she'd be devastated and almost certianly would be the end of our marriage). I've now decided to cut down on meeting my friend even further (stopping one-to-one completely), because now I feel that I don't trust myself. However, I am meeting some mutual friends in the next two weeks, who'd be here for a short visit. My friend will also be there and I am dreading it.

Although I have strong feelings for my friend leaving my wife is not an option. The reason I am posting this is to seek some advise and your opinions as to how I can untangle myself from this messy situation.

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GoatsDoRoam · 29/04/2015 17:29

Having mismatched sex drives is an excellent reason to split up with someone. Nobody benefits from a joyless and resentment-filled marriage - least of all the DC.

If you really do want to stick it out and see how much longer all three of you can stand being miserable like this , then you need to cut the OW out of your life completely. Don't even meet her in a group; you'll never get over your feelings otherwise.

But seriously, the only way you and your wife are going to work out as a couple is if there is a concrete, fixable reason why she doesn't want to have sex with you, like health or housework.

If she just doesn't fancy you, or if she just has a really low sex drive, then staying together is just going to be miserable for all of you, including DS who deserves happy parents.

AuntieDee · 29/04/2015 18:10

Although you don't consider a kiss as cheating - it is. You have been having an emotional affair for a long time, before the kiss even happened. The stuff you have been discussing with the OW, you should have been discussing with your wife - that is the sort of stuff that could rekindle the flame...

As for the orgasms - usually an awful lot of noise is an indication of no orgasm and more of an encouragement for the man to 'get it over with'. If she was orgasming you wouldn't 'think' she was due to the sound, you would be able to feel it. A genuine orgasm is pretty difficult to fake.

The first step must be to make up your mind who you want to be with, then regardless of that decision, be honest with your wife.

NewLeaflet · 29/04/2015 18:21

I'm just wondering what romantic things you do to encourage your wife to want to have sex with you. I think that it is quite common for people to lose interest in sex during a long relationship. I would recommend taking your wife out on a 'date', i.e. nice meal/wine/dancing or romantic walk. Make her feel special basically - I'd lose my interest after a long day of work and chores. (not saying that you don't do your fair share of housework, but feeling like the dogsbody isn't good for romance)

Yarp · 29/04/2015 18:33

I think that you should tell her about your EA and let her make an informed choice, as you have your own choice to make. She may have some awareness (even if only unconscious) of what's been going on anyway and it may have altered her feelings towards you, so that she does not want to have sex with you. Or she may have been turning a blind eyes and needs confronting with the truth.

I personally think there is no chance of you having a future with your wife if you aren't honest with her about how you feel and what you have done

LaBette001 · 29/04/2015 21:57

As for the orgasms - usually an awful lot of noise is an indication of no orgasm and more of an encouragement for the man to 'get it over with'. If she was orgasming you wouldn't 'think' she was due to the sound, you would be able to feel it. A genuine orgasm is pretty difficult to fake.

This is such a load of rubbish - neither did the OP say he "thinks" his wife is coming, or is it true to say he would be able to feel it if she did. Just rubbish ...

OP. You're in a really tricky situation. Your needs are not being met. You've tried to talk to your wife about it, she has effectively ignored your feelings on this. Guaranteed if your wife was on here saying she'd "begged" you to meet her emotional needs everyone would be telling her to LTB but your needs are apparently less valid.
The fact is that after kids and 10 yrs of marriage sex can be bloody boring and annoying when browsing mumsnet is also an option. If there Is any way of spicing things up - invite your wife out for lunch and nip to the loos for a quick fumble, or take her away for the weekend (don't focus on sex as that can be a turn off but focus on cuddling and affection and just see where it leads) - then try that. Become the slightly unpredictable, dashing man she once knew and perhaps she'll become the woman you once knew too.... I dunno, I just really understand (as a married woman) the boredom but love you describe and I hope you can fixit because you sound lovely xx

Sallystyle · 29/04/2015 22:10

That's crap AuntieDee I didn't know my awful lot of noise was me faking it. Besides, it is very easy to fake the muscle contractions too.

I feel for you both OP.

At the end of my first marriage I couldn't touch him, I just couldn't and it wasn't anyone's fault either.

There are only two options really aren't there? Cut contact with the other woman and ask your wife to go to counselling or divorce her.

Remember, an unhappy sex life is a valid reason as any to divorce but you obviously want your marriage to work and it won't work unless you cut contact with OW and get some counselling. If your wife is not interested in doing so then you have your answer anyway.

Good luck to you :)

Sallystyle · 29/04/2015 22:15

Are women ever asked on MN if they are pulling their weight with housework, are they a selfish lover, do they make their husband's feel cared about and loved etc etc when they post about their husband's not wanting sex?

Undeuxtwatcinq · 29/04/2015 22:28

OK, you could be my DH talking about our sex life a few years ago. Sorry if this is TMI.

Basically, when I am tired he hasn't got a hope in hell - if he wants me to be interested that is. Secondly I had to stop the pill for medical reasons and once my hormones had returned to normal after having babies, I suddenly developed a much healthier interest in our sex life. I have read quite a lot of posts about how when women stopped hormonal contraception their sex drives increased. No idea whether there is medical evidence for this or not, but perhaps it could be a factor.

DH has now also clicked onto the fact that sometimes it is great to go to sleep having a cuddle with no ulterior motive.

I don't think I would want to know about an EA or a kiss. It would really really hurt me and I kind of think you should carry the guilt alone. If you truly want to make your marriage work. I know not everyone would agree with me, but you know your wife best. Do you think she'd get over it? You could tell her really nicely that you want to feel loved and wanted and you don't and you know that she doesn't feel the same drive as you. What can you do to help her feel less tired for example if that is a factor. But don't expect results immediately. Feeling pressured and a failure in the bedroom wouldn't encourage me.

Would you be happy with fooling around occasionally without sex? If so ask her how she would feel about doing that instead.

I take my hat of to you for posting on here.

SolidGoldBrass · 29/04/2015 22:36

When you and your wife had the discussion about putting more 'romance' into your lives, what did she ask for from you? And did you make an effort to supply it? Because a discussion where one partner asks the other to make more effort, without being prepared to change his/her own behaviour in any way, is not going to lead to a longterm improvement.

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