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Is there any chance this could work out? (long)

27 replies

davyjoneslocker · 24/04/2015 21:22

Have NC for this. Someone help me figure out what's going on here and if there is any point my holding out any hope for this.

I've just come out of a six-year marriage which towards the end was abusive (financially and emotionally and adultery was involved on his part). Generally doing OK considering the circumstances but obviously wobbly and vulnerable. I have a 7 year-old daughter.

I have met someone through a hobby to whom I am very powerfully attracted and my feeling is that its mutual to a degree, if only sexual. I know this because we kissed a few months ago when I was still married. Yes I know it's bad, it was a drunken mistake when my marriage was coming to crisis point and was knocked on the head more or less immediately and hasn't been an issue since, we are friends and socialise together with others in a group but there's been nothing further.

I like this guy and get on with him and also really fancy him, I'm pretty sure he likes me and is attracted to me to a degree but I can't get a handle on whether this is just passing attraction on his part or something more. He has only very recently become aware that I'm single.

The big crunch point is this guy has a very close platonic female friend who is also a member of the hobby-based social circle (and increasingly a friend of mine). I'm sure they are not actually in an active romantic relationship but it feels to me as if they are not really emotionally available to others because of their relationship with one another -- they live in one another's pockets. Their relationship doesn't appear to have a romantic element, as far as I can tell, they spend a lot of it on hobby-related stuff and there's no obvious chemistry but they are clearly very close and I can't help wondering about the hidden dynamics, i.e. is one into the other but hasn't disclosed it etc.

In spite of this I get the feeling this guy is attracted to me but I'm also aware that I need to be very careful: a) I may very well be projecting this onto him because I like him b) I'm conscious that I'm probably not in a great place for a new relationship (I'm still technically married and its only in the past six or so months that my husband and I separated) and should not be rushing into anything at all, leave of all something as emotionally complicated as this and c) I really need this hobby for the moment for my sanity and I am very loathe to do anything to throw a spanner in the works which would make it less enjoyable.

I know the obvious response is "ask him how he feels", but I feel that if I asked and the answer was no it would be hard for me to continue doing this thing with my head high and it would hurt my recovering self-confidence a lot at a time when I really don't need it to be knocked.

The trouble is my feelings are already starting to overshadow the pleasure of the hobby.

Would I be better off just walking completely away from this situation and writing it off, even stopping the hobby? Or should I hang in there and see where it leads?

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davyjoneslocker · 24/04/2015 22:07

Bump. Anyone?

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FlourishingMrs · 24/04/2015 22:30

Hang in there, try and meet him on your own, ask him to help you with the hobby staff, best case scenario it works out, worst case scenario he brings short term healing to a broken heart.

Nothing ventured nothing gained.

FlourishingMrs · 24/04/2015 22:30

Hang in there, try and meet him on your own, ask him to help you with the hobby staff, best case scenario it works out, worst case scenario he brings short term healing to a broken heart.

Nothing ventured nothing gained.

davyjoneslocker · 25/04/2015 00:11

What about her though? How even to get past her? It feels like she is his gatekeeper and would have to sign off anything between he and I. Which in itself feels wrong...
Is it possible to be that close to someone of the opposite sex and be open to meeting someone else?

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Vivacia · 25/04/2015 06:03

Would I be better off just walking completely away from this situation and writing it off, even stopping the hobby? Or should I hang in there and see where it leads?

Neither. Keep the hobby and social contact, get out of the habit of fancying him.

davyjoneslocker · 25/04/2015 08:15

Vivacia not that simple. I have tried this and can't.

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Vivacia · 25/04/2015 08:19

Then you choose drama and heartache. I've got a t-shirt if you want to borrow it.

First thing I would do is challenge this idea of the female friend as "gatekeeper". It sounds a bit silly.

Quitelikely · 25/04/2015 08:31

No don't give up on the hobby or the idea of romance with this new man!

Life if for living and you are in a position where you bravely left your awful marriage.

Could you perhaps email the guy asking if he wants to meet up to discuss something hobby related or invite him somewhere?

If he truly likes you he will snap your hand off Smile

Quitelikely · 25/04/2015 08:32

Is not if!

AttilaTheMeerkat · 25/04/2015 08:42

I would find somewhere else in which to continue this hobby of yours.

You are also mere months out of an abusive marriage; you're still very wobbly and vulnerable understandably. You need time and space to heal (as well as doing Womens Aid Freedom Programme if you have not done so already) and you are in danger of running before you can walk again.

Love your own self for a change.

I think the last thing you need now is more complications (your concerns a, b and c are all valid ones) and this man seems to have a lot of those attached to him already; not least of all this female friend. There's an unhealthy co-dependent dynamic there between the two of them that you will never get to the bottom of. Its not something that you should get involved in; you will always be excluded by them.

Vivacia · 25/04/2015 08:48

Good post Attila.

davyjoneslocker · 25/04/2015 09:03

Thanks everyone. I'm very aware of the need to develop a bit of self love after the collapse of my marriage and how bad an idea it is to go rushing into something. Besides this there are numerous reasons which I can't really go into without risking outing myself why this person is probably not suitable for me.

The thing that's really freaked me out is the intensity I feel for this guy. I know its probably not "real" and may not be reciprocated.

I guess because I haven't been sexually interested in anyone other than my husband for such a long time its really taken me by surprise. And because my marriage was so awful for the last couple of years I think I shut that side of myself down.

I'm determined not to fall back into negative behaviour patterns. But its also very hard to resist the pull of a very strong sexual attraction. And I feel intense, intense jealousy of his relationship with this other woman, which I recognise as being self-destructive.

I'm starting counselling soon and hope to be able to deal with this along with the other stuff I'm going through. I just need some tips as to how to not let this consume me in the short term.

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Reddragon116 · 25/04/2015 09:04

How does a close friendship between a man and a woman become projected into 'an unhealthy co-dependent dynamic' ? unless there is something more than I am reading ? Its a hobby - if you can't or wont just go and allow whatever will happen between you to develop in a natural way without speculation about 'gatekeepers' or cant just go and enjoy the hobby - find somewhere else or something else to do as indeed you are choosing the drama and are not yet recovered enough from your marriage. Which given the short space of time is entirely acceptable - its like a cut - let it heal and dont pick the bloody scab ;)

Reddragon116 · 25/04/2015 09:05

That should say understandable not acceptable ;) My kindle is a dictator

Vivacia · 25/04/2015 09:08

Perhaps it'd be a good idea to get back in touch with your own sexuality? There must be books out there about this kind of thing? I'm sure I read a magazine article about sitting down with a mirror and drawing a sketch of your own vulva or something.

It's not the kind of article you forget about in a hurry.

davyjoneslocker · 25/04/2015 09:23

Reddragon I didn't say the thing about the "co-dependent dynamic", that was someone else. I'm not trying to create drama and I'm certainly not trying to dictate other people's emotional lives, I'm just very conscious of not putting myself into positions which will damage my self-esteem.

Vicacia I don't think I've got any problem with my sexuality, the problem is channelling it so it is in touch with a healthy emotional dynamic.

Thanks anyway

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Vivacia · 25/04/2015 10:03

I didn't suggest you had any problems Confused

davyjoneslocker · 25/04/2015 10:07

Vivacia OK, but I don't think drawing a picture of my own vulva will help me with the issues I have.

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pocketsaviour · 25/04/2015 10:07

The thing that's really freaked me out is the intensity I feel for this guy. I know its probably not "real" and may not be reciprocated.

I do think this is probably the case as you're relatively new out of your marriage. In other words, rebound city :)

Because the hobby seems very important to you, for that reason alone I would not do anything right now. You've previously snogged this guy and presumably since then you have seen each other but he has not tried to take things further or asked you out or anything? If that's the case I would try to step back and just focus on the hobby and if you still fancy the guy, well, that's having a crush. Nothing wrong with saying "Yay, going to my hobby today, hope that hot guy with the cute bum is there" even if you're not going to ask him out.

davyjoneslocker · 25/04/2015 10:12

pocketsaviour no, he hasn't tried to take this further. And this is why my instincts are telling me deep down he's probably not that into me. I have been rationalising that because until quite recently I was married he didn't want to get involved because it was too dangerous/complicated but in my heart I think I'm probably kidding myself about this. I think if he had really liked me he would have made some sort of overture between then and now.

The thing is that at the moment I like him too much to just be able to enjoy having a crush and fancying him -- its starting to hurt and I'm thinking about him all the time when I'm not there, rather than about the hobby.

I would love just to be able to relax and not let it take over the fun from the hobby but it already has.

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Reddragon116 · 26/04/2015 05:22

Davey i know it wasn't you it was the progection from what you had written to this , i found weird . How you talk about gatekeeping is unless there have been incidents of such behaviour is also though an indication of your own feelings and inner thought process rather than a real reflection of what just sounds like a close friendship and deeply shared interest. Again you may have back story.

Reddragon116 · 26/04/2015 05:25

Ie you are looking for reasons he has not taken things further.

however · 26/04/2015 05:43

You've just come out of an abusive relationship. You have a child. You are attracted to someone completely inappropriate. It's a recipe for disaster. Think of your daughter. Be there for her.

No one is asking you to be celibate for life, for goodness sake. Just don't chase someone five minutes after ending an abusive relationship who doesn't seem to even want you. God, I want to shake you.

Vivacia · 26/04/2015 08:38

OK, but I don't think drawing a picture of my own vulva will help me with the issues I have.

I can't think of many issues it would help address. I was being tongue-in-cheek. I'm sorry it came across as serious advice.

arsenaltilidie · 26/04/2015 09:56

he hasn't tried to take this further. And this is why my instincts are telling me deep down he's probably not that into me

This.
He sounds a bit like a player.

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