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BDSM/abuse situation around an affair - help me help my friend!

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shovetheholly · 21/04/2015 09:58

This is a post asking for help in dealing with the breakdown of a friend's marriage. I posted about it yesterday, but got no replies Sad. I am struggling to know what to say and could really use some help. (I also want to emphasize that this is not one of those 'about my friends' posts that is actually about me! I'm pretty open about my issues on here, and I swear this is genuinely about helping a friend!)

Basically, my friend who has been married for nearly 20 years found out her husband has been sleeping with all kinds of other people - so-called friends, prostitutes, anyone who offers, the works. He is basically following The Script line for line: (www.mumsnet.com/Talk/relationships/a1527705-Midlife-crisis-this-is-the-script)

She is very hurt, obviously. However, their relationship is BDSM, so she is inclined to see this in terms of that dynamic, instead of as abuse. I do not know what to do or say about this. There seems to be some strange, subcultural thing about BDSM, where proponents of the lifestyle believe they are superior in adventurousness and insight to what they term 'vanilla' relationships. The model of personal identity seems to be very strong even if it is rather simplified, like that of teenagers ('I'm a goth! You're a plastic!')

So while on the one hand, she is devastated, on the other she is almost seeing this as confirmation of their unusualness and of her role as the submissive. I believe that the second perspective comes largely from him and is part of a highly abusive situation in which she is being manipulated in all kinds of ways that she hasn't consented to. (As a feminist, I am struggling to deal with the whole consenting-to-submission thing anyway, but this goes way beyond that - he's manipulating her in ways she hasn't consented to).

I am frustrated by this and I do not know what to say (or even if there is anything I can say) to help break her out of this way of thinking! HELP!

OP posts:
shovetheholly · 21/04/2015 13:36

Thank you, all of you! You're brilliant!

I think you're right that I can't challenge this from 'outside' the culture - I can only ring the changes on the difference between abuse and consent. I also agree that someone who is inside the culture would be far, far better as a help than I can be, because I simply do not understand why anyone would want to be submissive so I can't really see this from her perspective (if anyone reading this would be willing to help, please DM me).

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loveareadingthanks · 21/04/2015 13:43

She needs contact with people in that culture. Sorted ones.

As far as I know the power exchange thing is genuine - but within limits set originally by the sub (which can be re-negotiated). If the D breaks those limits, then the deal is off.

Ultimately the question she needs to ask herself, is whether she is happy or not. Being a sub doesn't mean you live an unhappy life. If she isn't happy, it isn't working.

pocketsaviour · 21/04/2015 15:23

shovetheholly I'm going to inbox you some links your friend might find helpful.

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