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picking on DH. How to stop? in an unhappy pattern of behaviour/resentment

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horribleCow · 14/04/2015 21:45

I am not proud of this. I have recently got into a pattern of being irritated with DH, and picking on him in a patronizing way for quite silly things, or complaining about things that probably don't really matter.

It's stuff like "have you changed your shirt, please do it, it smells" and "why can't you share my interests, I don't want to be married to someone who does nothing but work" and "can't you take the initiative on cooking occasionally, why do I have to do it all the time" and "can't you just notice the draughts of air and put the thought aside rather than worrying obsessively about wall insulation that you can't afford to fix?" and when he comes home talking about a new project at work I ask how much more time it's going to require for him working in the evenings, rather than being pleased about it.

He is quiet and withdrawing into work. It's not really surprising. i'm being a cow. Where the stuff matters I could say it more nicely and effectively. Mostly it doesn't matter.

But it's an overall pattern that is really beginning to drive me mad.

I am irritated because he makes statements like "I'd like to spend more time on X" in front of other people, where X is something he thinks is deeply inferior to work - and then does absolutely nothing about ever learning any more about X (things like reading anything at all, ever, not related to work; cooking; doing anything at all round the house or garden that isn't just something he can pay a tradesman to do). He clearly has little respect for people who have had opportunities but haven't turned them into good careers, but doesn't think about the fact that people like him are usually propped up by people like me, who become trivial-minded and boring because we're constantly dealing with day to day trivia simply because he absolutely never does any of it.

He used to say he liked me because I was multi-dimensional, and did things like reading, cooking and gardening. I guess I should have looked harder at his parents and realised that he was trying to convince himself that reading, cooking and gardening weren't a waste of time.

In his parents' old house they paid people to do the garden for them - they now have a house that covers the entire block and has no garden. His mother has always been censorious and rude about people who do anything other than work and buying pre-made food or eating out; she is frequently rude about my parents' habit of giving her potted plants, making sure she keeps them all, dead, until I visit so she can ostentatiously throw them all in the bin and say her life is too busy for trivia like tending to plants, or cooking. She is always very rude and patronizing to caterers when they have visitors (she would never cook for visitors herself), and tends to ask them what their career plans are. His father does nothing other than work, and generally eats out. He's one step beyond in that it would never even occur to him to talk to a gardener or caterer in his own home.

Dh seems to want to turn into his parents. I get angry. I pick on him. He retreats into work and gets more and more like his parents. Sad

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Quitelikely · 14/04/2015 22:01

Well they do say a man marries a woman Similar to his mother.........

I think counselling might help you.

BifsWif · 14/04/2015 22:10

Your behaviour isn't acceptable, but it's good that you recognise you need to change. Would counselling help you? Is there anything else going on in your life that might cause you to feel so irritable/angry?

horribleCow · 14/04/2015 22:11

Yes. I was so busy escaping my own mother's dysfunctionality, at the time DH and I started going out, that I didn't ever really notice the inevitable.

It has to be said that DH and I do not really have a lot in common, but have successfully ignored this for the last 10 years. We do things in common, but conversation is kind of broken. He only wants to talk about work and to a great extent is uninterested in other things that we do, even if he does them happily enough. I have spent a lot of the last 10 years listening to monologues about his work. I have now ended up being the "yes dear; oh can you put out the rubbish on your way to work?" wife who never has anything interesting to say. I don't bother talking about things that interest me as I know he'll be waiting for me to stop so he can talk at me about his work. This isn't really functional, is it Sad

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horribleCow · 14/04/2015 22:13

BifsWif I do think I need counselling, and I do recognised my own need to change.

However, in what I've posted in the OP and just after your post, do you see why I might be feeling frustrated and angry?

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BifsWif · 14/04/2015 22:43

I see why you might feel resentful, definitely. Do you want to be in this marriage? Have you spoken to your husband about how you feel? Is he willing to make some changes too?

MajesticWhine · 14/04/2015 22:49

I wonder if there is something else you are annoyed about, something deeper that is more difficult to pick on him for. This is often the underlying reason for petty nitpicking or arguments. Perhaps you wish he would show you a bit more love and affection, by cooking for you, or taking an interest in the things you do. But it feels too needy or vulnerable to say this, so instead you criticise him.

horribleCow · 14/04/2015 23:26

I think the basic thing is that I wish he were interested in more things than his work, including being a functional adult. In reality, he isn't - his idea of a functional adult is one who is great at their job and can pay for anything else to get done by someone else.

The relationship modelled by his parents is that you have input into your spouse's life or your kids' life by paying for stuff for them. They are then grateful to you for all your hard work and your good choices and your occasional compliments.

His Mum clearly wishes that his Dad would actually spend a bit more time with them all rather than working in his well-paid corporate lawyer's job well into his 70s to keep them in the style to which they're accustomed. But she has done such a good job of conforming ot the lifestyle over the years that she can't really break the mould and say "actually I would rather have a conversation as equals, rather than be bought a Dior handbag and listen while you harangue me over the lunch I've bought in for you, and then disappear back to your study"

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horribleCow · 14/04/2015 23:39

We've spoken, but not in a way that gets us very far.

I somehow cannot get across to him that I am lonely in the relationship, that I feel like his housekeeper or his mistress but not his wife, and that this isn't a relationship that I would want to model in front of children, if we had any.

I think he is also lonely in the relationship in that I can't relate to him over his work. Sadly this means he lights up when he's around younger, kinder, nicer, more attractive women in his field, who have good careers and can talk animatedly to him about his and their work. I do wonder whether i should just get out of the way and leave him to it with them.

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TopOfTheCliff · 14/04/2015 23:46

I was married to a man like this. It made me so bitter and resentful I became quite horrid. In the end I left him to it.
He won't change because he thinks his way of life is the right one. He knows nothing else. Can you cope with another fifty years like this? I couldn't.

horribleCow · 14/04/2015 23:58

i don't know. There are many things that drew me to him in the first place, but this seems to have swamped all of that.

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BuyToLetNovice · 15/04/2015 00:02

You're not compatible, sorry Sad You seem to 'tolerate' each other and you almost despise his parents, which is ok, you don't HAVE to like them, but it makes life difficult.

Maybe time to reassess the relationship via counselling? I hope you reach a decision that is good for you.

Canyouforgiveher · 15/04/2015 00:09

look if you are really incompatible; if you value a low key live with multiple interests including many focused on the home (cooking, reading gardening) and he values professional work and thinks all those things should be outsourced, then you probably won't be happy together, and should call it a day, no blame on anyone. I certainly wouldn't have children feeling like this.

It's stuff like "have you changed your shirt, please do it, it smells" and "why can't you share my interests, I don't want to be married to someone who does nothing but work" and "can't you take the initiative on cooking occasionally, why do I have to do it all the time" and "can't you just notice the draughts of air and put the thought aside rather than worrying obsessively about wall insulation that you can't afford to fix?" and when he comes home talking about a new project at work I ask how much more time it's going to require for him working in the evenings, rather than being pleased about it.

I don't know how he talks to you, but honestly if anyone talked to me like this, friend, sister, spouse, I would feel that person didn't like me much and I wouldn't want to invest much more in the relationship.

The biggest indicator of marital break-up is contempt (makes sense really). You sound contemptuous of him. You may have reasons for this - which is fine. but doesn't mean you need to limp on being unhappy and treating him like this.

horribleCow · 15/04/2015 03:12

Canyouforgiveher - I feel defensive in response to your post. Which at least means i care about the outcome, I suppose. I have turned into a boring nag who ends up saying these things because he hasn't listened the 1st, 2nd, 25th times I've asked him to do things... he is so obviously checked out mentally from the relationship - and so obviously not checked out mentally whenever he's dealing with any charming, tall, good-looking female students of his, chatting animatedly about work.

I used to be one of those nice young students when we knew each other as PhD students. I'm actually his age, but I had the career, the accomplishments, and the animated conversation that seem to make people attractive to him. Having moved countries with him for his career, never managed to get a proper job, had my career fall apart, and fallen into crappy part-time work because there's no other work available, doing everything domestic, and being lonely as hell because all our friends are busy with their marvellous careers, kids, etc., I've turned into the boring housekeeper that he probably wishes he could get rid of.

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Isetan · 15/04/2015 05:51

I think your angry with yourself and your life. You've made a series of decisions that have left you unfulfilled (marriage, career etc) and you've convinced yourself that if your H was a different person, you'd be happier. Own your choices and if you aren't happy with them, make different ones but blaming someone else isn't going to change anything.

Incidentally, why did you marry this man, what was the attraction? You may well be incompatible but I don't think that's the primary source of your unhappiness.

There's nothing wrong or snobbish with paying someone to cook, garden or anything else you're not good at or don't want to do? Your negative character assessment of your H and his parents is just an expression of your own bitterness.

Get some counseling!

horribleCow · 15/04/2015 06:27

The initial attraction was that he was emotionally mature, thoughtful, caring, insightful, intellecutally interesting but capable of doing all sorts of things.

Over the 10 years we've been a couple that has narrowed to him only doing work or activities organized by other people (things like running club, social engagements - he never has time to do anything just with me) and only having any initiative when it comes to work, or conversations about work with charming young women, who follow him from work into the running club and the social engagements.

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horribleCow · 15/04/2015 06:34

Basically I think he just isn't interested in me, any of my interests, or in anyone or anything not related to his work. He did a good impression of being interested in all these things 10 years ago. He's reverted to type, approaching middle age.

I don't think that there's anything much wrong (apart from the obvious nutritional aspects) with eating out or getting stuff catered, or paying for a gardener habitually. What I find depressing about his parents is that they are so rude about other people's choices and other people's kindness to them. They don't officially recognise that not everyone wants a high-powered career in corporate law, and that there are other things in life - though as I said above I think DH's mother is quite unhappy and lonely, but is doing a lot of ferocious living up to the standards set by her husband.

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BifsWif · 15/04/2015 10:02

I do have to say that while your treatment of him isn't helping, I can completely understand why you do speak to him like that. There is nothing worse than feeling lonely in your relationship.

You sound almost resigned to this way of life, and like you don't feel good enough for him. Why is that? Rather than think you were boring, I'd think a man that speaks only about work boring but that's just my opinion.

I do still think some councilling would be a good idea, even if you go alone it should help you to work through your feelings and help you decide where to go from here.

Meerka · 15/04/2015 10:12

I have turned into a boring nag who ends up saying these things because he hasn't listened the 1st, 2nd, 25th times I've asked him to do things... he is so obviously checked out mentally from the relationship

You both have to work at the relationship. That means him and you. I'm not sure he is interested in the hard work of relationships, only in the fizz of unattached courting ... plus, well, for very good reason you've given up a helluva lot including your country and your career for him. So far it sounds like 1) his underlying patterns of character are coming out, patterns laid down by his parents (you don't see them at 20!) and 2) you simply don't ahve much in common any more 3) He's not that interested in reigniting the fire and doing much with you (sorry :/ )

Maaaybe a serious jolt to the relationship will wake him up. But I think you need to take a good long look at what you want from your life from this point onwards, decide where you want to be in 15 years' time - with him, or not? do you want things to be like this in 15 years time? do you want to restart a career or not? which country? what can you compromise on, what is essential? - and then start working towards the goals you want.

Right now from what you write, there's a good chance that one day he'll want more from his young attractive female students then just conversation.

Penfold007 · 15/04/2015 10:23

Horrible what do you actually like about your dh? Maybe listing those points and deciding if staying in the relationship is why either of you want.
You know your behaviour towards him is wrong, what are you prepared to do to stop it.

FeijoaSundae · 15/04/2015 10:32

You really sound deeply incompatible. Your behaviour is wrong, but so is his. You don't seem to like each other, at all.

I'm reading back, trying to figure out if you have children.

TokenGinger · 15/04/2015 10:35

Do you think the fact that you work a part time job is the reason why he's so involved in work? Because he feels he needs to succeed to support his family, because his partner's wage isn't adequate enough to do so?

Of course, this is circumstantial because it's occurred due to the moving country business. But he's a male fighting to protect his family through work. And quite frankly, I'd rather my husband enjoy his work and be excited about it if it's necessary, than to hate what he does and be miserable about it.

From your OP, if a woman came on here saying those things, we'd be saying she's in a EA relationship and to LTB.

Ratfinkandbobo · 15/04/2015 10:36

It seems to be the end of the road for your relationship, you're obviously not suited.

TendonQueen · 15/04/2015 10:55

There was an exercise I once read in a book about imagining your ideal day and how you would spend it - but a normal working day, just the way you would ideally like it to be. What would yours be like, what work would you do, what other stuff, what tasks would you outsource if any? Does your husband feature in the ideal day you would like to have, or only as a very different version of him?

The other question I'd want to ask is whether you do want children at some point or if you have decided you don't. If you don't then I think you should be quite selfish and work out what you really want in your life. And you don't necessarily need anyone else for that. If you do, then you need to make a call about packing up and moving on.

MrBusterIPresume · 15/04/2015 11:20

I may be off base, but here's my take on your situation...

You feel like you have sacrificed a lot for your DH - you've moved countries for his job, not had an opportunity to use your qualifications to pursue a career because of this move, feel like you've missed out and your life is dull because you don't have a career. He, on the other hand, seems to have the interesting and fulfilling life that you wish you had. You feel like he has this fulfilling life at your expense, but he doesn't seem to appreciate or acknowledge that. So you resent him. The sniping and nit-picking is your way of communicating this resentment. It's not a functional way of communicating, but maybe you have difficulty being more open with him, or maybe you've tried and he doesn't listen. Maybe criticising him makes you feel better. Or maybe the idea of being being more pleasant to your DH would feel like accepting that the way he treats you is OK, and you can't stomach acting like you're happy with your life.

This may be heavily coloured by my own experiences, but what I see in your DH is a workaholic who is too wrapped up in his own concerns to grasp the degree of imbalance in your relationship. You seem to give him a lot - you deal with all the trivia of daily life so that he just gets to concentrate on work. What does he give you? The more sinister explanation is that he does understand that your relationship isn't equal, he just doesn't care - because it allows him to do what he wants without having to deal with the boring stuff or show you any consideration.

Your self-esteem sounds like it's on the floor. Do you have hobbies? Could you do a course, retrain, start a business of your own? I think you need to find ways to make yourself happier that don't involve waiting for your DH to appreciate you - because, quite frankly, I think you'll be waiting a long time for that.

Of course the critical comments need to stop. I think if you feel better about yourself you won't feel the need to make them. In the meantime, it might help to find a way to pause before speaking (e.g. by counting to 3 in your head) so that you can halt a snipy comment, or at least rephrase it to something more pleasant.

honeyroar · 15/04/2015 12:34

I think that I used to be like that with my ex. I too had moved to his area and was lonely and bored. Looking back, I didn't like or admire him and was very critical of him. That can't have been nice for him. He had an affair.

If you want this marriage to last you both need to work at it. Get some counselling alone and with him if you can. Do things together. Do things for yourself if you're bored.

A lot of successful people are like him and his parents. We know a few. They probably look down on our unsuccessful lives but we are happy and id rather be me. They are perfectly happy achieving and showing off. You've got to be with someone at least on the same chapter if not the same page, IMO.