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Totally lost

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feelrejected · 09/04/2015 00:30

Hello

In December of last year I found out that my husband bought a shop and basement (in February 2014 I think) without telling me. Here is the thread I started at the time: link.

H has been evasive about what his plans are for the shop. Saying that he had thought it was a good idea to open an actual furniture shop (he used to run a small chain of them). He also said at one point that he had tried to get out of the auction purchase and was still trying to get rid of the shop 10 months later (last December). When however I suggested he sell the shop in another conversation during which he was moaning about not having enough money, he got very defensive and ended up hanging up on me. I have asked if the kids and I can come to see this shop but he has not taken me up on it and is generally very evasive about it. Never ever talks about it. It is also clear that he doesn't want me to go there (it is about 15/20 minutes drive from our house).

Two weeks ago I found out that a rental property that I thought he still owned (and that he had lead me to believe he still owned) was in fact sold in 2013. This discovery lead to a complete meltdown between the two of us and the thread (thank god for Mumsnet!) about it is here: thread.

After going through absolute hell and even going to see a solicitor (which h does not know about), I decided that the last thing I want to do is separate. H however is still completely uncommunicative and hardly talking (though he is at least answering his phone and communicating about the basics).

I have recently been wondering whether his apparent emotional abandonment of me could be down to him seeing somebody else - so when I heard his phone text alert go at 11.30 pm this evening (h was sleeping), I had a look to see who the text was from. Not great I know, but things are so difficult that I am well past worrying about the snooping issue - I kind of feel that it would be better for me to know if he is actually seeing someone as that would crystallise things for me (and probably lead to a nervous breakdown as well but that's another issue!).

Anyway, the text was completely innocent, but in the process of looking at his phone I looked at his call log. One of the calls he either made or received today was from somebody called "Frank" shall we say, and in my h has logged that person as Frank but put the name of the road (let's say Chatsworth Road) where the shop is in front - so the person came up as "Chatsworth Frank". It then transpires that there are 6 numbers my husband has logged with Chatsworth in front. All men and all somehow connected to this property. One seems to be a builder as h has added the word "builder" to his contact details.

So now I am wondering whether he is in fact renting the shop and basement out to these people. Either as a shop and living quarter or a living quarter only. I am also wondering whether they are all people who did some work there for h - renovating or I don't know what.

If he is renting the premises out without wanting to declare anything then that would maybe explain a. why he didn't tell me about the shop in the first place and b. why he so obviously does not want me to go there now.

What staggers me is that he has obviously had quite a lot of involvement with the place one way or another over the past year (or past few months, I don't know), judging by the amount of people he has logged as contacts linked to that place and the fact that he spoke to one of them today. YET I KNEW NOTHING OF ALL THESE GOINGS ON. He must have done quite a lot of work there himself I think (he also works as a builder), yet all that time he would have come home and said nothing about it Confused.

I know I am going to be told to cut my losses and LTB, but honestly the amount of pain I felt last week when I thought I was getting myself ready to do that was unbearable. I would much rather h trusted me and told me what is going on. Here I am thinking I am going to try my hardest to really involve myself in the relationship properly as there are mistakes I know I have made which have done damage to us, but in reality I am dealing with someone for whom hiding things like this is apparently ok.

Above all it is just weird, and to be quite honest I am totally lost. All my options seem to stink. Stay with someone who is completely cut off from me, or divorce him and live through the hell of going through that and not being able to see my dc all the time etc...

Our relationship has had quite a few problems over the past 2 or 3 years so I am even blaming myself for my h's secrecy thinking that if we had been getting on better, he would not have withheld all this information from me.

Basically it is a total mess and I don't know what to do. I would favour trying to get our relationship back on to an even keel so that h eventually possibly opens up to me but not sure this would actually happen.

Please go easy on me (if you have read this far) as I know people are going to think/say that I am a damp squib. I was proactive last week in that I saw my gp, a counsellor and the solicitor, but really I want my husband back from the place in his head that he has disappeared to Sad.

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bigbumbrunette · 09/04/2015 00:36

I'm sorry you're going through such turmoil. Firstly, have you been to the shop? Driven past and looked in? That would be the first thing I'd do. Does he know you were gearing up to leave him? How do you think he'd react if you did tell him? Maybe he needs to know the actual position you are in And just how close to the edge you are?

feelrejected · 09/04/2015 00:38

my h has logged that person

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feelrejected · 09/04/2015 00:44

I drove past the shop at Xmas but it was evening and all I could see was the shutter down. I am a bit nervous of driving past in the daytime in case I discover hurtful stuff.

He knows it was very bad last week and his attitude was that he doesn't care - that and he shut down completely being very rude to me when I tried to speak to him. He doesn't actually know that I went to see a solicitor though. He is also working away a lot on another property (that I do know about Hmm) which he owns with his brother so is distant both physically quite a lot of the time and emotionally (all the time).

That's the thing about my h - he is incredibly obstinate and I am sure that if I were to tell him that I was making plans to leave, he would just let me go and never ever speak to me again.

Almost 3 years ago we went to see a counsellor together because I had said that I wanted to call things a day due to his behaviour (often critical and difficult, prone to using the silent treatment at times, etc..). He only lasted about 4 or 5 sessions however as it got too much for him.

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tribpot · 09/04/2015 00:59

You want something you can't have. Until you accept that, all you will be doing is starting a new thread on MN every few weeks - and that's fine, that's your choice and you can do that. But you have presented ample evidence in this thread alone that your H does not intend to address his behaviour. You either accept that this is how your life is going to be and live with the incredible financial uncertainty of your situation or you leave. You want a magic wand to make everything right again - it doesn't exist.

If you want to put every last ounce of your strength into 'saving' this relationship, remedying every wrong you imagine you have caused on your own, you are free to do that. But I think your response to the question about whether you've driven past the shop sums up your situation perfectly: I am a bit nervous of driving past in the daytime in case I discover hurtful stuff.
You don't want to know the truth but you know too much to live easily in ignorance. You're out of options.

MrsChanningTatum · 09/04/2015 05:24

I remember one if your other threads about him buying the shop, and not wanting you to know about various business transactions re same.

It's not about him trusting you, but the fact that you don't trust him.

You were so close to leaving him recently. You saw a solicitor. I would be getting all the help and support from friends and family that I can, in order to extricate oneself from the relationship.

Is it the fear of finishing with him largely a financial one? You would need a solicitor to make sure you don't lose out on any joint interests and to make sure he pays for his family.

I can't help thinking that living like you are (no trust, v moody parter), can't be good for your mental or physical health. And that really good support from family and friends would carry you through that pain barrier you describe as unbearable.

Drive past in the day. And keep vigilant.

Keep posting too :-)

HellKitty · 09/04/2015 06:20

Have you googled the address or is that too obvious? And Google 'frank at xxx road'. I'd also drive past during the day. I'd also phone the shop under a pretence of a wrong number to find what they do sell if anything. Do you have anyone you can confide in? Someone who could 'pop in' to there? My ex was secretive, still is, so I know how frustrating it can be.
I'm getting the feeling that he is getting HIS ducks in a row for the big split.

Vivacia · 09/04/2015 07:02

I know I am going to be told to cut my losses and LTB, but honestly the amount of pain I felt last week when I thought I was getting myself ready to do that was unbearable. I would much rather h trusted me and told me what is going on.

Well, yeah but there's lots of things we'd much rather were true but aren't. We'd much rather you start focusing on a life that's not damaging your health but in the meantime you're tying yourself up in knots about shops and names in phones. It'd drive me crazy.

ChipDip · 09/04/2015 08:05

You are in massive denial about the state of your marriage. If there isn't any trust, you having to snoop to find out if he's cheating, no communication, then what do you think marriage is about.
Honestly you need to take of the blinkers and see it for what it is. Is staying together the best thing for your children or yourself?

feelrejected · 09/04/2015 08:56

Thank you for your messages. There is a lot going on today as some of h's family are staying with us, but I will answer properly later.

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MrsChanningTatum · 09/04/2015 15:36

Hope you are ok.

shovetheholly · 09/04/2015 15:49

Oh OP, how awful. I would be just as angry and devastated as you are.

I think the dealbreaker for me here would be his completely and utterly unreasonable insistence that he should be allowed to do whatever he likes without consulting you, his lack of ability to be open and honest with you, and his refusal to discuss matters with you. The fact that you say he would rather you left than give any ground says everything you need to know.

I would worry a great deal about what is going on with this shop. I don't want to sound all melodramatic and Breaking Bad, but if it is simply an innocent project on the side, why can't he tell you that? Or is something else going on - moneylaundering, some kind of base for illicit activities, a way of getting out of tax, whatever? I am concerned that you may be implicated in all kinds of financial or tax dealings that are nothing to do with you! Is your family really safe with a guy who can't or won't tell you what he's really doing?

I know the great unknown of separation is scary, but so is staying with someone who is this closed. And I honestly think the former offers you some certainties, and a chance at happiness, that you don't have right now. Think about it.

CycleChic · 27/04/2015 06:20

After going through absolute hell and even going to see a solicitor (which h does not know about), I decided that the last thing I want to do is separate. Why?

Rebecca2014 · 27/04/2015 06:43

It does not sound like he loves or respects you. Why are you clinging desperately to this man? You admit he would not care if you left, there is a reason for that! because he does not want to be with you.

Why are you so timid you wouldn't just walk into that damn store in the day time? I would done that ages ago.

We only have one life to live, you are wasting your time with a man who simply does not care about you. Just move on.

confusedandemployed · 27/04/2015 06:47

What tribpot said.

This thread is a few weeks old. What's happening OP?

CycleChic · 27/04/2015 07:36

Confused, I resurrected it after the OP linked to it on another thread. This is what's going on: www.mumsnet.com/Talk/_chat/2365079-If-your-husband-went-out-at-about-9-00pm-this-evening-and-is-still-not-back-at-10-45pm

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