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Stopped having sex with husband because of sexual abuse

27 replies

MrWillerby · 31/03/2015 14:57

Hello everyone,

First time poster. This is extremely long. Sorry. Don't know who to talk to in real life.

I'm female. He's male. Together 8.5 years, married 2.5 of that. No children.

We don't have sex any more. We did it once (unexpected 3 minute quickie) in february but before that I'm not sure how long it was. Maybe november? So once in 4 months, and the frequency was dropping off well before that. I can't imagine ever wanting to sleep with him again and can't bear for him to touch me anywhere intimate even through my clothes.

I think it might be because I'm angry at how he has treated me. Between reading things on this board and talking to a clinical psychologist (only about the less bad stuff though) I have finally sort-of admitted to myself that sex-related things my husband has done are really not ok. I tried talking to him about all of this so many times but didn't get anywhere.

2003-2007
The boyfriend I had before I met my husband messed me up a bit by having sex with me after I had said no (twice, including once after we had broken up) and by having what he called "make-up sex", which was code for times when he would be nasty to me until I cried and then insisting on having sex while I was still crying. He made me think that if I ever said no then I would be the bad guy because I was obviously "holding a grudge" and "being difficult" instead of making the effort to make up. The trigger for breaking up with him in 2007 was realising that it had been a full year since the last time he had initiated sex when I wasn't crying.

2007
I told my now-husband that I was nervous about sharing a tent with him on a trip away with a group of friends because the previous boyfriend had had sex against my will in a tent. He seemed sympathetic but not particularly interested. The whole weekend he was horrible to me (ignoring, shouting, criticising) to the point that I decided to break up with him as soon as we got home.
When we went to bed in the tent he wanted sex and I was hesitant. He made an appalling joke about how he "would just have to force me then". I was really shocked but I made myself just not think about it.

2008
We were having sex at my house. I was in a position on my back with little/no control over what was happening. With no warning he suddenly started to have anal sex with me. He had to push really forcefully to do it because I wasn't ready and there was no lube or anything. It HURT! I said no and (without apologising) he went back to sex the usual way. I was really shocked because we had only done anal once before, in a position where I was controlling it, when he was gentle, and I said I wasn't sure whether I liked it or not. The next day I timidly mentioned that I was still in a fair bit of pain and bleeding. He laughed and said it hadn't happened, that I was imagining it. Then changed the subject and never mentioned it again. For a long time I felt like maybe I had made it up, but I really do have a clear memory of it happening and that doesn't explain the pain and bleeding.

2010
I said I didn’t want to have sex because we were at my relatives' house with no privacy, in the middle of the day when someone would probably wander in. I said no repeatedly and struggled. He pushed me onto my front with my arms pinned beneath me and forcibly had sex with me. After about 30 seconds he stopped and looked horrified. He made me feel like it was my job to reassure him that I was fine and I was the “cool girlfriend” who doesn’t get upset about her boyfriend going too far during horseplay. It turned into me making HIM feel better about it. Then he changed the subject and we didn't discuss it again.
When I mentioned it recently he said he remembered it and doesn’t know why he did it, but that he feels guilty and thinks about it sometimes.

2010-2014

He started this weird habit of losing his erection and/or stopping moving entirely when I started to have an orgasm, thereby ruining it. He gradually started doing it more and more often until I was anxious every time because I knew how it would end. He had zero problems getting or maintaining an erection apart from the 5 seconds that were crucial for me to enjoy it too. Then he would get it back up and carry on without further problems.
I told him over and over that it spoiled sex for me and actually hurt (unless I went totally numb instead). He didn’t seem to care, and spent the first 6 months denying that it was even happening (“oh, I didn’t notice”) and trying to make me think it was all in my head. When he finally accepted that it was happening he refused to do a single thing about it or even discuss it. He would derail the discussion by saying that it was because he was “too fat”, so that I would be the bad guy if I pushed it – and then sat on his arse stuffing his face with junk food for the whole weekend.
He has now changed his story and claims it is my own fault for moving into a position where he can’t move properly (even when he is on top) and there is nothing he could possibly do. He does it whichever psition we're in. Also when I point out that it happens when he’s using his mouth/hands as well he just shrugs.
This continued for about 4 years until I was eventually put off sex altogether and actually started having panic attacks every time we tried.

2014
Leeds.
We were sleeping at his nana’s house. He tried to grab my breasts but I didn’t want it and covered my chest with my arms. He just pushed my arms out of his way and carried on groping. He admitted later that he shouldn't really have done it, but didn't seem too bothered and refused to tell me why he had done something if he thought it was wrong.

2013-2015
I stopped wanting to have sex because of the previous problems. It was severe enough that I didn’t even feel safe and comfortable with him touching me over my clothes in an affectionate way. Instead of showing some concern, he started to just grab at my breasts and bottom whenever he thought he would get away with it. This would usually happen a few times a day. Every time I would pull away and ask him not to do it. This continued for months and I must have told him more than a hundred times that I didn’t want it. Also lots of disgusting sexual comments at inappropriate times, when I said a hundred times that I didn't like that either.
I expressly and repeatedly did not consent to this touching. He knew it upset me and he still chose to do it.
In the last year he started being more subtle about it – putting his hand on my waist at night just high enough that the edge of his hand was against my breast, or “accidentally” brushing them while moving his hand between non-sexual zones.

I tried talking to him about it but he just derails me by saying he doesn't remember it, or by making insultingly fake apologies. I am so angry about all of this. I want an explanation and a proper apology, but I am starting to lose faith that it will ever happen.

Every time my friends and family ask me when we're going to have a baby I just want to scream and tell them all the truth.

I don't know what to do. For so long I've just pushed all of this away and hoped for the best because if I admit it to myself then I have to do something about it, and I'm terrified. I'm so ashamed that I've let two consecutive partners do this to me. I was only a teenager when I got together with the first boyfriend, I didn't have any sense (he was 25).

OP posts:
Mabelface · 31/03/2015 15:03

Love, you are married to a sexual abuser who has raped you repeatedly. He has no respect for women at all. I just want to reassure you that the shame is not yours, but belongs to the men who have abused you, including the one who continues to. You didn't "let" them do it to you, they did it anyway. You deserve to be loved and cherished, not assaulted and abused. Your first step could be contacting Women's Aid to see what your options are. You can heal.

pinkfrocks · 31/03/2015 15:04

well, you need to end this relationship. You are married to a rapist and a bully. There is another similar thread here just now. Get away from him asap, call women's aid, start telling friends and family and NONE of it is your fault.

You are wasting your time talking to him. Just leave- look for a room, rent a flat, whatever you can and think about reporting him for violence and abuse. Sorry- no other advice but others will have. You just need to end this marriage and leave. Then long term some counselling will support you.

cailindana · 31/03/2015 15:07

Jesus sweetheart that is really bad. He has assaulted and raped you multiple times. You need to get away from him, fast, soon. As soon as you can. Is there anyone in real life that you can confide in?

I'm so sorry to read all this. He has behaved appallingly. You have absolutely nothing to be ashamed of, none of this is your fault. You were very unlucky to meet two nasty bastards. But you can change things now, and things can get better.

How are you doing?

pocketsaviour · 31/03/2015 15:12

YY to previous posters, please call Womens Aid for help and support. None of this is your fault and you are not stupid or weak, you haven't "allowed" this to happen. The shame and blame belongs with your husband, and with the previous abusive rapist.

When we have been abused once, especially when we haven't received good support after that, it makes us very vulnerable to further abusers. They look for our weak spots and press those buttons as hard as they can, and we kind of freeze up, unbelieving. We also tend to feel that we don't deserve help, that we should just put up and shut up, and that everything is our fault and nothing really happened anyway.

You deserve to heal from this - please get yourself safe as soon as you can. Thankfully with no children involved, you will never have to see this rapist again. Flowers

Twinklestein · 31/03/2015 15:13

I'm really sorry OP, this is horrible sexual abuse, with a bit of gaslighting thrown in.

There's really nothing you can do but leave.

I'm really glad that you've got a psychologist to support you. And it's really brave of you to write it all down here. Perhaps you might consider sharing with the psychologist not just the 'less bad' things...

It's not your fault that you had two partners who were abusive. The first one normalised the second's behaviour. You've done nothing wrong.

Ohfourfoxache · 31/03/2015 15:24

Sweetheart I'm so sorry

This "man" is physically, emotionally and sexually abusive.

I don't want to hurt you, but you need to leave him.

Read your post back - what would you advise if a friend told you all of this? I'm going to guess that you would tell her to get out ASAP, because this is sure as hell not a normal healthy relationship.

Most importantly, this is not your fault. You are not to blame in any way, shape or form. This is his evil doing, not yours x

RubbishMantra · 31/03/2015 15:31

Oh you poor love. Sad

And a resounding yes to womens aid and rape crisis.

You've normalised his, completely disgusting behaviour in order to survive.

Imagine what your life would look like without him. Better eh?

PoppyField · 31/03/2015 15:54

Hi OP,

I am very sorry to hear you are going through this. Well done for feeling able to write it down and to tell us. This man is cruel and sadistic, as well as being a sexual abuser. He has assaulted you time and again. You are not making it up.

He is also torturing you psychologically by 'forgetting' or making you think you are dreaming it up. He is unrepentant. He does not care about you or the pain he has caused you. You are very unlikely to get an apology from him. Personally I think he deserves to be locked up. But you need to get away from him.

No wonder you are terrified, but a life without him is what you need to get stronger. You are a survivor. You need to reach out for the people who will support you. You totally deserve support. How dare he do those things to you?

You know you need to take the step of getting away from him. You are worth so much more than this. Take care.

blueberrypie0112 · 31/03/2015 16:42

you need to leave him. He objectify you instead of actually respecting how you feel.

EhricLovesTheBhrothers · 31/03/2015 16:49

You're never going to be ok if you stay with this guy. He's an abuser and a rapist. Please make plans to leave.

Firedemon · 31/03/2015 16:57

How would you feel if your sister or mum or best friend told you their partner did this to them? I'm certain you'd tell them how fucked up it was and that they should leave the abuser immediately, right?
Please, please get some help from women's aid and get yourself away from this man as quickly as you can. Every single act you listed here is utterly shocking. Your partner is a rapist and has been abusing you for a very long period of time.

You deserve so much better than this. Please seek help, you're worth so much more. You don't have to love this way.

Rebecca2014 · 31/03/2015 16:59

You are not safe with this man. Leave.

justjuanmorebeer · 31/03/2015 21:57

I am so sorry to read this. I am also completely horrified by it all. You have to leave immediately. Pack a bag and go somewhere tonight.
Call womens aid in the morning.
You can do this.

CocktailQueen · 31/03/2015 22:05

Oh, you poor love - listen to what your body is telling you. Don't have sex with him. You don't feel safe with him -- and no wonder. He's raped you, sexually abused you and bullied you. What a vile man.
I don't think he will change - you've given him ample opportunities to. I think you need to leave him.

Flowers
43percentburnt · 31/03/2015 22:06

You deserve so much more. He is horrid, his behaviour is vile. Do you have family near by? Can you move in with them for the time being? Xx

YellowYoYoYam · 31/03/2015 22:56

I don't really comment on threads on the relationship board, but I have to tell you that you should leave this man. Your life will be better without him, this is no way to live.

Lweji · 01/04/2015 00:02

Your husband is a criminal. He has abused you and raped you. He should be in jail.

You should make a plan to leave. Don't ask him for permission or talk to him about it. It should be your decision alone.

How easy would it be for you to leave? Are you ok financially? Do you have support from family and friends, even if you don't tell them why you are separating?
Can you afford a solicitor? Although if you find it in you to report him, you could be eligible for legal aid.

And I'd recommend that you get help for the sexual abuse that you have been enduring. Maybe ring Rape Crisis first?

PeppermintCrayon · 01/04/2015 08:35

Please stop trying to get an explanation from him. You won't get the answers you want. Please please leave

Anniegetyourgun · 01/04/2015 09:32

Your husband sounds like a more subtle version of your violent boyfriend. He not only doesn't care if you enjoy sex, he actively conspires to stop you enjoying it. That's so twisted it doesn't bear thinking about. Anything you've asked him not to do, he's found a different, less obvious way of still doing. Instead of being the physical expression of your closeness as a couple, sex has become a stick to beat you with. It's completely the opposite of what marital relations are supposed to be all about. I'm not surprised you don't feel like having sex with him; if you're not absolutely furious then you ought to be!

Consider this: had someone deliberately jabbed a pencil into your knee, so it hurt, would that be assault?

Had someone walked up to you and, without warning or explanation, poked a finger straight into your eye, so it hurt, and your vision was blurry for a few days, would that be assault?

To what extent is it so different when what you are jabbed you with is a penis and where you are jabbed is your anus? Does that stop it being assault or somehow make it hurt less? Does the fact that it is your life partner doing these things make it any better? Surely it makes it worse. He lives with you, he knows you as a person, he should have more consideration for your feelings, not less. You should be able to snuggle up with a loving partner at the end of a long day and feel safe and comfortable. This man is not worthy of the position.

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Lucylloyd13 · 01/04/2015 09:43

You need to end this relationship.

Sex should be fun and loving, you can enjoy submissive sex, but it needs to be consensual.

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MrsTedCrilly · 01/04/2015 09:56

Please LEAVE for your own happiness, this is NOT what a normal, loving relationship looks like.

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Ohfourfoxache · 01/04/2015 15:01

Thinking of you, hope you're as ok as you can be x