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Is it him, is it me? How to I end this cycle

20 replies

TiredOfLife · 27/03/2015 21:23

I need some help to get my thoughts straight.

I’ve been in a 9 year relationship, we have 2 DC’s 3 and 1. We’re in a constant cycle of getting on great to rowing like cat and dog. Its come to a head and I’ve ended it (we're still under same roof though), but despite everything I don’t really want to – I love him, but we cant agree nor get along. When its good, its really good, when its bad its very bad.

Essentially our issues boil down to him lying to me, lacking responsibilities and drinking. When me and my DP first met we had a social life that revolved around eating out, drinking and partying. As time moved on we got engaged, planned a baby, and I grew up, and I feel he didn’t fully. In my first pregnancy I had to call the police for example, as I went for a weekend nap, and woke up to find him gone – no note, no phone call, text, I couldn’t reach him or any of his friends for nearly 24 hours. I reported him missing, police came for a statement and he finally showed up. He’d gone out got drunk, ignored his phone and passed out. This type of behavior gets repeated to varying degrees, and if we row he walks out, sometimes not telling me I’m in sole charge of the kids, and just goes drinking. This leads to more rows and generally him ending up on a bender for several days. Now here’s the part I’m confused about. When this happens, I get very angry – I shout, we row over text as I can’t take how angry I get in person sometimes. I call him selfish, I call him names, I say he’ll have to move out if this continues. I swear, I throw out every example of why he’s in the wrong past and present and why I’m sick of it. I bag his stuff up & end our relationship. He calls me abusive, refuses to move out, minimizes he was just going for a beer, now I've lost the plot he's staying out of my way by staying out etc. Until recently I thought I was justified in my response, but having looked into the difference between abuse and anger, I fit to abuse profile – threatening (I’ll pack your bags), name calling', shouting, using ‘you’ statements not ‘I’ etc. Now he feels justified in just leaving me to be the adult and take care of the home, pay the bills, raise the kids etc because I’m abusive apparently. I feel like I’m not given the opportunity to get away from him as he wont move out, just carries on treating the place like a hotel until things calm down.

I feel so let down all the time, so many times he’s promised to change, promised to plan nights and not just abandon me to get drunk on a whim. It’s the waste of money (we don’t have), it’s the fact I pay the bills in the main and he apparently has all this spare drinking money whilst I pay the bills first and spend on other things if there is money left, it’s the fact we have 2 small kids who often wake in the night, I work fulltime and a work at home alot in the evening too, so I’m juggling kids, work, night wakings. I feel really like I do more than my fair share and I’m let down a lot. This leads me to often belittle, berate and generally be snipey daily. I’m not a nice person at times. I feel driven to this, but I realise need to take responsibility for this behavior. I’ve ended it so many times, but he refuses to move out, so my behavior gets worse and I feel trapped with someone that wont grow up, and wont move out, and wont be the partner I need.

I had a really dysfunctional childhood, and I’m worried my childhood has impacted me. My partner says I’m abusive so he goes out to get away from me, whereas I say I’m angry with him for leaving me to take all the responsibilities and stress in the main. I get the children up, dressed and to childcare, I walk the dog, I do the food shopping, all cooking, meal planning, most of the washing and cleaning. I work 50 hours a week. I buy all gifts, toys, clothes, I deal with all household admin. He does all DIY. I pay all bills out of my account, he adhoc pays money to my account when he’s working (he’s been working to do up a property we own so not always earning – which is agreed I would cover all bills, but I’m now so heavily in debt I can’t sleep properly) . We share bedtimes with the kids. We share night wakings when he’s not been out. I frequently tell him I could do this on my own – I am already. He’s hurt by that of course.

He’s a great dad aside from the issues above, he’s fun, he’s kind, caring and lovely when we’re not in a cycle of me feeling bitter & angry, him partying etc. He works very hard indeed, and has done for our family home. I love him… BUT I’m very worn down by our relentless cycle.
There are lots of things I haven’t detailed here – but I don’t want to drip feed - We have trust issues – in the past I’ve caught him signing up to online sex websites, I’ve caught him messaging other women, he deletes everything from his email, phone history and contacts. I’m very paranoid now and do check his phone when I can get my hands on it if we’re in a rough patch. I know its not good. I know I’m not being fair but I can’t help it. I feel like I’m constantly having the wool pulled over my eyes or he’s taking this piss or lying to me, but I know a lot of this is in my head and causes rows through my own paranoia.

Oh and why did we have a 2nd baby? DD2 is a very much loved but very much unplanned.

I want to know if anyone else has experienced similar and whether it was you or them or both, and if you solved it? I feel like I’m driving myself crazzzzzzy, I don’t feel like I like myself anymore, I don’t feel like I’m setting a good example for my children, and I feel very exhausted & frustrated. I just want a calm happy life.

... and Thanks it you read this far!

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Cherryapple1 · 27/03/2015 22:11

He is a drinker - you can't solve it. You can just decide whether you are willing to put up with it. And sex websites - well surely that is a dealbreaker too? I can't see any good points to him. An untrustworthy, unfaithful drinker. Not really a good father is he?

Cherryapple1 · 27/03/2015 22:12

Oh and accusing you of being abusive - is that just him making up a spurious excuse so he is free to go out drinking?

Dailygraft123 · 27/03/2015 22:12

Wow, I think you are being too hard on yourself. The drinking and benders would be so difficult for any mother to cope with. I can fully understand why you shout at him and get angry. Also the debt thing, paying all the bills. Very stressful.

Are you married? Do you own the property you live in? In other words I think you should make plans to leave/get him out and then give him an ultimatum. I think that's the only way. What do you think?

AnyFucker · 27/03/2015 22:23

It's okay for you stop carrying all this now

you would be better on your own

you are not abusive....you have a passive aggressive and clever manipulator on your hands

you and your kids deserve better

TiredOfLife · 27/03/2015 22:37

Thanks for replying everyone. Crying here Hmm

I've tried to end it, but he won't move out. Then I get so tired by it all and he promises to change and I promise to be less angry, and we try again.... Repeat.

He tells me so often how horrible and nasty and abusive I am, and I know he's right, but I am just so so angry with him.

If he could change, I'm not sure I could now, and I'm worried who I've become. I feel like I'll always be an untrusting man hater with how bitter I feel. Does it get better? Can I be normal?

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hilbobaggins · 27/03/2015 22:43

Wow. He has really done a number on you. He drinks, parties, goes on sex websites, contacts other women, leaves the majority of childcare and bill paying to you and calls YOU abusive. No wonder you are confused.

This is a terrible relationship and he is NOT a great dad. He is a truly nasty piece of work. You are looking for a "calm, happy life" but that will never happen with this man. Can you set that?

TiredOfLife · 27/03/2015 22:52

Oh god, I do know he sounds like a nasty piece of work on paper, but he's not in real life. He makes awful and is selfish but he's not nasty in my eyes or I wouldn't have stayed so long.

I do see that we've run our course though, I'm scared to be on my own, I'm worried he's right and this is all me. How do I work that out so I don't repeat this? Am I going to not trust any man?

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Cherryapple1 · 27/03/2015 23:09

He is a nasty piece of work. Whose name is the house in? Is it rented or owned? You need to google the cycle of abuse. You can do the Freedom Programme so it doesn't happen again. Being alone is not scary.

trappedinsuburbia · 27/03/2015 23:26

I could have written your post just a year or so ago, it is not you that is the problem!
I got dp to move out, i am now a much nicer person to everyone. You are reacting to the situation.
I was a snipey bitch to him and everyone around me. It was the stress of him just disappearing to get wasted.
He was a nice drunk but its just useless when you have youngsters and responsibilities.
I am so relaxed now im practically horizontal, except when hes around. We're still together but living seperately, i havent managed to make the final step yet. It wont be long, as i just cannot let go of all the resentment of all the past let downs.
He wont change, its just down to how long you can go on in the situation.

pocketsaviour · 27/03/2015 23:30

I assume you jointly own the property you live in, as well as another one? Make an appointment to see a solicitor first thing next week and find out how to force him to move out. Don't worry, you won't be stuck with this useless, lying, manipulative piece of shit forever.

You may also benefit from speaking to Al Anon. Living with an addict is hell, and it will impact your children massively. You say your own childhood was dysfunctional - that's why you're confused and calling yourself abusive, because you don't have a good relationship "template" to fall back on. Look into getting some good therapy for yourself once you're back on an even keel.

You and your kids deserve better than this utter fuckwit.

GoatsDoRoam · 27/03/2015 23:30

Uhm... he is the one who is not a decent father and husband.

You can stop blaming yourself. I know you probably find it easier to blame yourself (...it fits with your pattern of also always allowing him back), but really, his behaviour is unacceptable.

Sure, you can have healthier relationships in future. But you are getting way ahead of yourself. End this one first. Let the future take care of itself. You don't need a guarantee that you will find another relationship in order to let go of this one. The fact that this one is so very very bad is reason enough.

NickiFury · 27/03/2015 23:37

It's him it's completely and utterly him.

You wrote my story in your OP. I am Shock at how identical the stories are.

I had a complete mental breakdown in the end. This kind of stress and abuse cannot be endured in the long term. You're already starting to believe that YOU are part of the problem, you are not. He simply loves alcohol and a lifestyle unencumbered by a family and I am afraid that will never change,

Please get rid of him. He will rob you of your children's early years. You will look back on them and not remember as many happy times as you should because he stole them with his drinking.

It's incredibly hard to break free. Six years post separation I still find it hard not to get sucked in to the drama and chaos of my exes life. But at least the terrible abuse is only once or twice a year now as opposed to every single day. Please leave him, he will take everything from you otherwise. This is what people like him do. Suck you dry.

Google alcoholics and blame,scapegoating etc. You WILL recognise your situation.

winkywinkola · 28/03/2015 08:11

He looks crap in paper. Because he is. In black and white.

Of course people have good sides. Can be loving etc. but it's this abuse he's subjecting you to that will destroy you as a person.

It is you that is the good parent. Always there for your dcs. He is failing you all. I'm not surprised you are unpleasant to him. He deserves it.

Can you end it with him? Nothing you can do will change his behaviour. He's an alcoholic.

AttilaTheMeerkat · 28/03/2015 08:21

You are not abusive, its him not you who is abusive here.

"Great Dads" do not treat their partner like you are being treated. You are being manipulated here. Women in abusive relationships often make reference to the "good dad" comment because they can themselves think of nothing positive to write about their man. Its certainly the case here.

I doubt also very much that you love him because I do not think you at all know what an emotionally healthy relationship is anyway. You are likely to be co-dependent in relationships and those patterns are unhealthy as well.

Your own dysfunctional childhood set you up good and proper to meet someone like this; you are perhaps on some level basically repeating the same old damaging lessons that your parents taught you about relationships. This is on some level familiar to you and you know no different.

What do you think your children are learning about relationships here?.
Is this really what you want to teach your own children now about relationships so that the dysfunctional cycle continues?.

Time to make firm plans to leave this person before you and your children are dragged further down with him. If you really do want a calm and happy life then that will only be achieved without him in it.

AttilaTheMeerkat · 28/03/2015 08:22

I would also suggest you start talking to Womens Aid as they can and will help you here.

alphabook · 28/03/2015 08:27

Being angry at someone's selfish, thoughtless behaviour is not abuse. He is an extremely manipulative and selfish and it sounds like you and your kids would all be better off without him.

PurpleWithRed · 28/03/2015 08:28

The only reason you are still with him is that he won't voluntarily move out. Why would he? he's got you funding his drinking and providing a hotel to boot.

You aren't married? his name on the children's birth certificates? rent or own the house? if rent is it private landlord?

MaybeDoctor · 28/03/2015 08:40

It is him.

A good dad wouldn't want to leave his children with no notice for a two or three day bender. And just because he is in a huff? He clearly has an unhealthy relationship with alcohol and a roving eye.

If you saw him as a character in a TV drama, would you be wanting your favourite female character to marry him? Try to step back and see him for what he is.

TiredOfLife · 29/03/2015 21:58

I just wanted to thank you all for replying. He has gone tonight after a horrible weekend. I feel heart broken even though all I showed him was anger... So messed up.

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AnyFucker · 29/03/2015 22:12

Good, he's gone.

Now to keep the fuckwit loser away

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