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hydeparkhottie · 23/03/2015 16:40

Hi All, this is going to be a really long weird one; but I can't really discuss it with anyone because I fear putting them in the middle.

I come from 5 Siblings. (All five of us share a father). My older brother was raised by an aunt, this was done against my fathers will. My fathers family has always regarded me as the 'bastard' child because my parents were not married when they had me...and later some of my step mothers family also began to take that stance. I did the only thing I could do as my only defence, kept my head up and let it roll off.

I was raised by my father and stepmother. My father loves his children and my stepmother has raised me as her own, and is my mother in every other sense of the word. My father and step mother have three children between them. I was 4.5 when my brother was born and we have never gotten along. I am not the only person he doesn't get along with. He has similar relationships with both of my sisters. He alienated them both in different ways.

My sisters and I are on the best of terms and have always been inseparable. All three of us live close by and have always got along.

As we've gotten older, the relationship between us (the sisters) and our brother has become more and more acrimonious.

When I married, he caused all sorts of trouble with stealing money, abusive language and damage to whatever he could. (stole some wedding jewellery which he pawned off before the wedding)--Smashed a few cartons of eggs into my wedding dress (which was in one of those hangy bags the night before my wedding). I could go on and on, but I always kept my cool. I would be upset, I cried quite a lot;I did what I always did, confront him and tell him how much it hurt me. How awful his behaviour was and he always said the same awful things to me about not being family etc. I know that my own mother abandoned me, and that my step mother had no obligation to care for me and raise me the way she has. I am grateful to her.

This behaviour wasn't unusual for him, this behaviour wasn't new. Our parents didn't know what to say, he always just got away with it. My stepmother would always get upset with me tattling, and ask me if I was asking her to choose between her children. I felt betrayed, but also always felt like it was a battle not worth fighting because we had never got along anyway and we most likely never would. (Not that I hadn't tried; every time I did he would just do something to hurt me more).

When I had my first child, my brother would poke fun at the name my husband and I picked and would say very hurtful things about us and the choices we made. I did the thing I always do, and let it just roll off of me. When my child was diagnosed with special needs, my brother then began telling family members all sorts of things to suggest I had caused my child his difficulties.

Obviously, this is was/is hurtful but they are all intelligent enough to know it can't be true and at the same time they've known me all of my life; so if they judge me fairly (on my own merit--and how I've been all my life towards them, they know I'm not an awful person). I am a confident, happy and happy go lucky kind of woman. I can't do shouting matches or fight back; I never feel like I have to.

Regardless of, that was the last time I went home. I promised myself that I would never put myself in a position for my children to see me treated badly by my brother and if not a single family member was willing to stand up for me--because when he starts and he gets a crowd (the cousins and aunts and uncles who have always viewed me as 'the bastard) I always end up in a heaving crying mess, because the tirade he leads is always vicious and I can't escape it. Awful doesn't begin to describe it. I decided that the best way to deal with this was to just remove myself from ever becoming vulnerable to a situation like this ever again.

He got married a few months back and I was invited, my mother begged me to come. I couldn't have gone even if I had wanted. I was given the least amount of notice, there was too much going on at work, my children and my husband was too busy anyway. I sent the nicest email possible wishing the couple my very best. He sent back the most hateful email I have ever read. It was full of accusations of me poisoning the entire family against him.

My sisters couldn't attend either, one had exams at University and the other was doing some mandatory travel for work.

Now my brother and his wife are expecting their first child. I am genuinely happy for them. I do wish him a good life, and I hope he gets over whatever his problem is. I also am thrilled about becoming an aunt. I know that I will not have any relationship with this child--but I find myself feeling love at the idea of a niece/nephew. I have resolved within myself that obviously I cannot have a relationship with this child, but I thought perhaps I could send gifts through my mother/sisters and they could take the credit. This is all I am willing to do.

However, (and here is the actual problem) my (step)mother has said her only wish in this world is that her 4 children get along and have a loving and lasting relationship. This hurts me, because she herself wont stand up and see that I have never caused any trouble with my brother, nor have I ever retaliated. My sisters don't want to get caught up in my drama because they feel like they have their own issues with him and they are done with it all.

I feel like my parents shouldn't turn a blind eye to his behaviour, that they needn't choose a side but at least see my distance as self preservation and not pretend like I'm the one making things difficult. I also don't like how I'm blamed for his poor relationship with my sisters. I find it unfair and very very sad. This brings quite a lot of anxiety to me. What other options do I have?

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Skiptonlass · 23/03/2015 16:45

Your parents can't have it both ways - either they defend a child against terrible behaviour or they accept there will be strife.

Smashing eggs into your wedding gown? That's such an awful thing to do. Your brother has issues for sure. Why was he raised by the aunt? Was this due to early behavioural issues?

I don't see much extra you can do. Send a card and a gift after the child is born and send them your best wishes. Other than that, you do right to distance yourself to preserve your sanity.

Skiptonlass · 23/03/2015 16:47

Posted to soon... Meant to say that I'm sure your step mum does wish you all get along. However, there comes a point where playing happy families to please others will only result in you getting dragged down.

Keep on doing what you're doing - alas I don't think he will change, but that doesn't mean you have to put up with it. I'm so sorry, it's a shit situation. :(

hydeparkhottie · 23/03/2015 16:48

My older brother was raised by an aunt. ** I should have left that poor man out of it. I just feel weird not mentioning him.

My issues are with the younger brother. (Half brother)

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hydeparkhottie · 23/03/2015 16:51

thanks skiptonlass I don't think I can do anything more either. I just wish I wouldn't feel as guilty as I do for not giving my stepmother the only thing she has ever asked.

I can't control his lack of relationship with my sisters either. They are all adults and I can't do anything about it. Our brother is the only 'no go zone' between the three of us. I just wish something could be done so that all of this wasn't soooooo super extreme.

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ImperialBlether · 23/03/2015 16:59

But your stepmother didn't give you what you wanted - a peaceful life!

She is clearly blind with regard to her son and has changed history that you are blamed for his behaviour. I don't think there's anything you can do about this.

However, where the hell is your father in this? You have been treated appallingly and he hasn't protected you - why is that?

Skiptonlass · 23/03/2015 17:00

Oh I'm sorry, gets complex with family!

I think maintain your grace, keep your relationship with your sisters open and distance yourself from the brother. It's all you can do :(

Sadly, I have learned that while good people can behave badly under stress (short term) some people are just awful. And when one of them is a family member or a loved one, that hurts. Because you feel you should be able to fix it, and families should love each other. But in the real world, that doesnt always work.

give yourself permission to accept that your brother is horrible to you and therefore may not be a very nice person. It's not you, it's him. You cannot change his behaviour and you cannot control it. You are not responsible for it, nor are you responsible for fixing him.

Step back, and keep the good relationships alive.

hydeparkhottie · 24/03/2015 16:57

imperial

My dad is 'diplomatic' to a fault. He will never ask me to forgive my brother or to maintain any contact, or put me in a position where I have to see him. He understands that I have no desire to see my younger brother and that I am over all the hurt he has caused, but that I cannot open myself up to any relationship with him.

This upsets me, I deeply wish everyone would remember each and every incident and my reactions each time. I get fed up with having to say: 'but he stole my jewellery, destroyed my dress, vandalised my car' because really it just leads to the chain of previous events to things like my cat, my toys, my room, my clothes, my homework and this list can go on and on and on. It just wont end if I ever go back.

I don't understand my brothers need to highlight our lack of relationship if he's just vying at another chance to strike; surely he must realise I don't appreciate the sentiment.

I also don't understand why my mother is like this. I can't imagine treating my children like this. At the end of the day though, I'm not hers and maybe thats why she doesn't see it?

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Hidingmyidentity · 24/03/2015 17:42

I also have a half brother who hates me, he is older & would really like to do me harm. He takes every opportunity to try & stab me in the back. My DM talks about him as though he were angelic (he is a convicted criminal), waxes lyrical about all the things he does for her when in reality he does as little as possible. We are both biologically hers.

Your brother has behaved appallingly towards you. You should not feel any guilt about not playing happy families just to please your step-mother. NC with him is the only way to protect yourself & your family ought be ashamed of themselves for not dealing with him years ago.

It is not you that is the problem.

springydaffs · 25/03/2015 00:29

Your mother sounds like my mother, your brother sounds like my two ugly sisters. Our mother wants us all to be happy and she resolutely turns a blind eye to the absolute catalogue of abuse meted out to me from the evil pair from the year dot to the present day.

The only way that is going to work is if I got the nails myself and nailed myself to a cross. I'm not prepared to do that (anymore).

It is an extraordinary headfuck to have the litany of blatant crimes plain erased, bare-face ignored, by our parents: 'oh now come on, can't we just all get along??'. This has been said to me from - brace yourself - her hospital bed after various strokes ('caused' by my refusal to be the family martyr, apparently). She is currently very ill in bed - 5 days and counting - apparently because of my failure to figuratively lie down in the road and let them drive over me. She is ancient, I don't see the wicked sisters (nc) and, I tell you, I have to have nerves of steel. To not cave under the blackmail.

Have a look at, research, the family scapegoat - you and I are it. Also research sibling abuse. My sisters aren't as bad as your brother - they are cunning and slither on their bellies with their abuse - but I would seriously consider, if appropriate, a criminal prosecution for any of his future stunts iiwy. The man is unhinged... but actually it is your family system that is unhinged.

It's seriously shit to be the family scapegoat, especially chosen to bear the sins of the family. You have my sympathy Flowers

You made me laugh my head off btw at 'don't know why I mentioned the poor man'. You're not a bastard, you're lovely.

springydaffs · 25/03/2015 00:38

*'I should have left that poor man out of it' a few posts back Grin Grin Grin

pocketsaviour · 25/03/2015 11:58

Hello OP. I'm so sorry you've had to put up with so much shit.

Your stepmother comes across as a narcissist. This link may make interesting reading Golden child and scapegoat

And this probably describes your dad Enabling fathers

Honestly I would wash my hands of your stepmother, dad, and younger brother. Salvage what you can in your relationship with your sisters. But you will never get anything positive from any contact with those three. they are too busy rewriting reality so it fits with their version of How Things Should Be, which is that your brother is King Shit of Turd Hill, and you are there to take all the crap.

ptumbi · 25/03/2015 12:55

Springy - I identify so much with that.

I am NC (6 years) with my jealous, spiteful and immature sister. I get lots of 'but she's your sister' from my mum. Ignore.
I am NC with my dad (20-odd years) and get 'but he's your dad' regularly. Ignore.

You sound lovely, and of course want everyone to get along and to be proper siblings, a proper family. That is NOT going to happen. The best you can do is keep in contact with your sisters and anyone else in your family who deserves you. Your mums 'wanting only one thing in the whole wide world' is, I'm afraid, not part of the equation - you should never be forced to be in contact with someone, anyone, if you DONT want to be. Family or not. Go completely NC with brother.

I'm not sure about how buying a gift for the new baby and sending it through your sisters, and making it out ot be from them, is going to help. It might help you feel you have done something - but why? Why bother? As you say, you are never going to have a relationship with this child; he is never going to allow it, and if he finds out that this 'gift' is from you, that will poison things even more. Write a letter to the child, but keep it in your bedside drawer. Maybe when it's 20 and needs someone, you can be there then Hmm

springydaffs · 25/03/2015 13:41

One of the griefs of cutting off my sisters was letting go their children. REALLY hurt. No hope of a relationship with them as my sisters have poisoned them.

educatingarti · 25/03/2015 14:56

What I'd do. Don't try and give gifts via step mum or sisters. open a bank account with a good rate of interest (eg ISA if you haven't already used up your annual limit). Put money in that you would have spent on birthday and Christmas presents etc for your niece/nephew. Give them the money on their 18th birthday.

hydeparkhottie · 25/03/2015 17:48

The account sounds like a lovely lovely idea. I think I'll do that.

Everyone is right, I have to stick up for myself and ignore the requests to reconcile. If I hadn't had children, I may have never seen the toxicity of being treated like this. I cannot let them see this ever.

I do feel awful about not getting a chance to be an aunt. :(

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MyRightFoot · 25/03/2015 20:05

the best thing i ever did was get my rat of a sister out of my life. my only regret is i didnt do it sooner. remove him from your brain, do not acknowledge his child and only have positive people in ur life. its. liberating to admit to yourself that some family members are scum and you dont have to have their negativity in your life.

magoria · 25/03/2015 20:58

Don't go back. Because..

I bet you if he can't hurt you there is one thing he can and will do. Turn on your child to the same degree.

Stay NC.

Don't bother with explanations. Nice as your family were they were there. They have seen this all the years and by not stopping it they have condoned it.

When they say they want a happy family what they mean is they want that at your expense. They want you to put up, shut up and take the abuse so that they can pretend you are all one big happy family.

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