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Tried to go NC with toxic family and it has backfired badly.

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Cthulhahula · 14/03/2015 15:55

I don't know where to start actually and I'm still reeling from what happened three days later. I will try not to drip feed and this is probably going to be very long.
My mother is a narc, she ticks every box; scapegoat/golden child preferences, HUGE persecution complex, Disney parenting, constant criticisms and put downs, never listens, thinks every differing opinion, nationality or preference is a personal attack on her and she has been treating me like shit my whole life. of course she denies this. It was my fault for being difficult.

Last year after much research and soul searching I decided to start the diagnostic process for ASD and at the time I told the psychologist not to bother contacting my family for information on my childhood as my mother would take over and lie because to her mind, she would be being accused of doing something wrong and also assume I was trying to prove I was better than her.

I was diagnosed with Aspergers last year (with the part about childhood missing from my record.) which was a particularly rocky year for my marriage too, no thanks to my mother's snooping after I stopped sharing anything with her when I came (too too slowly) to the realisation that she offers no help, just gathers gossip which is then maliciously spread even if it has come with the rider of "confidential". She denies it but this is how she destroyed my relationship with my father and sisters, they are all flying monkeys now and on her side for an easy life.

I have no one left, even my husband is pulling away from me again after all the progress we made on being stronger together, after what happened.

The background of this incident started over Christmas. We hate xmas and all the upheaval and wanted to do it our way. On xmas eve I was doing a fairly normal parent/family thing in watching a movie with my DS's and missed a call on my mobile. World war Three ensued. After the missed call I received a message DEMANDING to know what the hell was going on and why I was purposely ignoring them. I missed this too. At six thirty on Christmas day, the phones, all of them, mobiles and land line rang themselves to death until we unplugged and switched off. Everyone demanding to know why I was upsetting mum on purpose. I had replied to the first message with a neutral greeting and we saw them on New Years Day for a cup of tea and mother mentioned nothing of what occurred at Christmas but the conversation, all five minutes of it before she left the room was about what she got from her husband (my dad Hmm) and how much better it was than mine. Thus taking a shit on my lovely gifts she swanned off to prepare a meal for the golden child and her son and partner whom she conversely trash talks behind their backs to anyone who will listen.

I decided to minimise contact and they did not try to maintain it from their end either. I have seen them three times since January, the last time exactly a month ago last weekend and received one phone call which my husband took as I was already in bed.

Sorry, this is epic.

Wednesday she turned up on my doorstep unannounced. Barged into my house and demanded to know what the fucking hell I was playing at. Citing she had in fact been trying for MONTHS to reach me, calling ALL the time, texting me everyday. None of this is true. I asked her to leave and showed her the door. I was very firm and polite, I raised my voice but I did not shout or become irrational. She went berserk. Kept asking me things, then refusing to listen to the answer, counter denying what I was saying but then and this is the confusing part, contradicting herself in the same sentence and then denying she had done it thirty seconds later.

My hands are shaking just recalling it and at the time I tried to call DH to come home and help but I could not get my phone to call out as my fingers were too sweaty to work the touch screen. Then the subject turned to "what's this crap you keep saying about aspergers?" When I tried again, firmly but rationally to explain what it is, true to my prediction she literally, and this is a grown woman, starting jumping up and down in my kitchen, flapping her arms and screaming in my face "Look at me I'm Cthlulha, I've got aspergers and I think I'm better than everyone else!"
She was asked to leave several more times but continued her tirade and still kept asking questions about "my disgusting behaviour" and yet refusing to listen to the answer.

The only way I could get her out was to pretend I had capitulated at which point she sat on my sofa and IMMEDIATELY dropped into her set routine of criticisms and put downs disguised as encouragement, her favourite being the fact that I am a non-driving SAHM with school aged kids. She has even got the rest of my family needling me on that subject every. fucking. time I see them and if I tell them to mind their business I'm "kicking off".
She also told me my DH was going to die soon, because he's old. He is 42 for the record.
And referred to my best friend as "your little fwend" as if he is some sort of tiny remedial that has latched on to me out of pity. He is also a fully grown male adult and possessing of full faculties for the record.
I am devastated that I did not challenge her but I was so confused, I just wanted her to leave my house and leave me alone.

I know that she has just proved everything I worried I had misinterpreted true but I feel like no one in the whole world believes me. My sisters are both smart women but they are under her spell and I am too afraid even to talk to my aunties about what happened as I am worried they will tell me off for lying too. I don't want to see her and I cut contact because I knew I was not strong enough to deal with her anymore.

Now I know I'm not and I am stuck. I can't refuse contact or she will have all and sundry trying to break into my house every other week when they want a fight and if I continue minimal contact I have to endure this shit every time I go there and it is eating away at me already.

I have just finished a course of therapy and I was feeling so much better in myself. Now its all ruined and I don't even feel like I deserve to be near my DH or my kids or best friend anymore because I didn't stand up to her like I should have and I feel like a piece of shit all over again. Well and truly put in my place.

I feel no obligation to her, nor love but I don't know what to do. It was so surreal the way she violently stamped up and down for five minutes and then accused me of being mad and paranoid. I haven't slept properly since it happened either and as yet there has been no further contact but she did put in her pitch for mothers day (I don't expect much, just a card and flowers) which I had planned to ignore. It is her birthday next week too.

If you have read this far thank you so so much. I don't expect an answer, I just needed to get it out and organise it in my head as it has been going around and around for days, I have even starting self harming and smoking again which I was making good strides towards quitting.

Her parting shot was to hug me even though I had repeatedly asked her not to touch me, and tell me to "Stop dwelling on the past" as its not good for me.

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Casimir · 14/03/2015 16:03

Set up video camera. Record screaming dancing monkey. Play back to her. And you. Amazing clarity.

MinceSpy · 14/03/2015 16:08

You've been strong but you need some extra support. Get a restraining order to stop her and the rest of the family contacting you. A trip to the CAB will help you get this sorted.

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BrieAndChilli · 14/03/2015 16:12

To be honest, you need to completely cut contact. I have done the yo-yo thing and every time I cut contact that gave her another chance the same shit happened.
Slightly different in my case as my mum wouldn't call without prior arrangement and lives 2 hours away.
This time round I decided to to wait for her to call to see how kids were when they had chicken pox. 2 years later I am still waiting!
My youngest doesn't even know who grandma is!
I'm lucky in that DHs family are great and I'm very close to them and don't have all the MIL problems mums net seems to be rife with!

AttilaTheMeerkat · 14/03/2015 16:16

"I can't refuse contact or she will have all and sundry trying to break into my house every other week when they want a fight and if I continue minimal contact I have to endure this shit every time I go there and it is eating away at me already".

You still have a choice here and that is to go no contact with your family of origin. Toxic people like nothing more than a fight or the last word. You do not have to go there at all and yes you can refuse contact. Their numbers must now be barred from your mobile phone and landline number. You would not have tolerated any of this from a friend, family are no different.

Do not castigate yourself for not being able to stand up to her readily; narcissistic rage is frightening at the very least and its very hard to go at all up against that in the face of all that.

I would now suggest getting the police involved here with regards to obtaining a non molestation order against your mother and wider family members.

Resume therapy and seek further help for your own self. Do not let any of these people go within any distance at all of you and your own family.

SylvaniansAtEase · 14/03/2015 16:18

What the fuck?

Of course you can cut contact. You just do it. And you absolutely should.

You might want to send a text or email saying that you no longer wish to be in contact at all after her mad and aggressive behaviour, and if she EVER even considers coming to your home again and acting in that way and refusing to leave you'll simply call the police.

I wouldn't be able to resist lying to her that I'd recorded her outburst on my phone in my pocket and if she so much as looked at me sideways again I'd send it to her employers/best friend/sisters and daughters/MP/hairdresser. That will have her in a sweat.

They're nuts, and no threat, if you could only see that. Really, ditch them. They have NO power.

pointythings · 14/03/2015 16:22

You absolutely can refuse contact. If she and her batshit crazy family try to force their way into your house or harass you, they will be committing a criminal offence. Bar their numbers. Install cameras. Get the evidence. Go no contact and make the sky fall on them if they flip. You have nothing to lose from going no contact with these people and everything to gain. YY to involving the police when they cross the line - and who cares what they will say behind your back afterwards? Sometimes water is thicker than blood. You and your DH have all the family you need.

FruminariaBandersnatchiosum · 14/03/2015 16:23

Like Casimir my first thoughts were to record her for posterity. Please please try not to let her/them influence you and set you back. This is what they want. My sister is like this and I am now totally NC. Maintain the NC, complete NC. Low contact will not work and you must preserve your sanity. Non of them have your best interests at heart. They make themselves feel better by making you feel terrible. Don't give them the chance to do this. If they do start coming round to grind you down, video them so you have evidence. Make that decision and feel the sun on your face. Bunch of bastards!

mix56 · 14/03/2015 16:25

What can she do or say that will make it worse ? Nothing ! so just go NO CONTACT, love your kids & husband, make the most of all the positives,
forget her birthday, mothers day or any other freaking day, & get on with your life. you say your sisters are also un supportive, so don't try & explain.
Change numbers, lock the door, Do not let her in. No point in trying to explain or justify. SILENCE is your only weapon, & by God it will annoy her

TheHiiTCrowd · 14/03/2015 16:27

/wow,

I wouldn't say it's backfired massively, I'd say that it's all part of the process of getting a narc out of your life. They never accept it with an insouciant little shrug.

She stays true to narc form insulting your friend and trying to suggest that your husband is old and will die soon! in other words, you'll be all alone and you'll neeeeeeeed meeeeeeee

Cthulhahula · 14/03/2015 16:46

I went to the police station on Thursday morning to ask for advice, they took names and addresses but ultimately said unless I was being physically threatened all they could say was that it was best if I did not engage and kept the doors locked as I am in the house alone during the week. They said if it does devolve to screaming and door kicking to call 101 but I am concerned she will be able to lie her way out of it and turn things around to me. Or worse turn up at the weekend and make some sort of melodramatic play for my DS's, one of whom also has aspergers and the other, very sensitive and easily led has fallen for her lies in the past with regards to me and DH.

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BitterAndOnlySlightlyTwisted · 14/03/2015 16:51

Your mother's behaviour on her last visit was just more of the bloody same old shit just with the volume turned up to eleven. I'm not surprise that it feels like it's set you back BUT IT HASN'T. It might feel like it but it's shown you very, very clearly why this madwoman needs to be got out of your life and kept there. For good.

No need for any grand announcement or anything but block her number from your phones. If you haven't got caller identification on the land-line, either don't answer it or let it go to message. If she turns up on the doorstep don't answer it and consider calling the police. Be prepared for your mother to send in all her flying monkeys to put the pressure on once she realises that you're not going to respond to her.

YOU CAN DO IT! It's going to be hard, possibly ten-times harder than it is now but you can get this person out of your life. That the situation with her is jeopardising your marriage needs to fuel your determination.

AttilaTheMeerkat · 14/03/2015 16:52

Grandparents in this country have no automatic right of access to their grandchildren. You really do need to keep all your family of origin well away from your children as of now. They are tools to be used by the narcissistic family and they will stop at nothing to try and steal their hearts and minds.

I would seek legal advice about obtaining a non molestation order against your mother.

Radio silence from you must be maintained as is never letting any of them into your home again. It is NOT possible to have any sort of a relationship with a narcissist and low contact more often than not leads to no contact.

pointythings · 14/03/2015 16:56

I second getting legal advice about a non-molestation order. Attila is right (and she is an acknowledged expert on this board) - you need to go no contact more than ever, once and for all.

AndTheBandPlayedOn · 14/03/2015 16:58

Cthulhahula, so sorry you are going through this.
Please understand that everything your mother says, and I mean e v e r y t h i n g, is not about you. You, as an independent, intelligent, capable person with your very own brain, simply do not exist to her. That hurts, I know. You are just a supply source to her to use at will to get her narcissistic needs met. The others in your family will do her bidding to keep you in that role so she won't target them! Seriously...they have you cast in a family role and will never let you out of it. That is why you need to cut the lot of them loose (complete radio silence)- so you can continue to recover from their influence on your life and not just survive, but thrive in your own life.

The world war three dance is nothing more than a childish tantrum. Please find a way to emotionally disconnect and see it for what it is: a manipulation tactic.
Refuse to be manipulated. You will be baited..leave the bait alone-simply do not respond to it, whether it is in the form of gifts or guilt trips.

Continue with counselling- especially with a counsellor who will support you going no contact with your family of origin. It is not mentally healthy for you to be around them.
You have done really well since Christmas! The showdown was about your mother, not you. Stay the course...damn the torpedoes-full steam ahead.
You are worth it. You will be happier and more healthy.

SylvaniansAtEase · 14/03/2015 17:04

She can't 'lie her way out of it', if you email or text to tell her that you have taken advice from the police and they have confirmed that if she comes to the house and acts in a threatening or aggressive way, then you are at liberty to contact them and they will act. You tell her not to contact you as you do not wish to see her, then if she turns up on your doorstep screaming, you call police and tell them she has been asked to leave you alone and won't and is causing a breach of the peace... what can she lie her way out of? Tell them that actually you're lying and you asked her to come round? Oh please.

Cthulhahula · 14/03/2015 17:24

I'm just afraid I'm not strong enough to withstand the onslaught. I have been struggling with illness mental and physical and had a run of seven shitty years in a row and felt finally that we were coming through it and now I have to start all over again.

I spent most of yesterday hiding in the utility room as its the only room with no windows. My family live twenty minutes away and I am feeling an imminent sense of threat all the time presenting as a crushing pain in my chest and I am afraid to do anything that distracts me in case I am caught off guard again. Even hoovering or listening to music in case I don't hear them sneaking up.

I mean, one minute I was happily washing up and listening to Ken Bruce, I heard a noise that I thought was our cat doing something and turned round to see her right behind me. I had left the door unlocked when I got back from the school run so I could take out the bins.

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BitterAndOnlySlightlyTwisted · 14/03/2015 17:42

In which case make sure you keep all doors securely locked when you're in the house!

What's the worst thing that could happen if she or other family-members turn up? A lot of shouting outside and you not responding or engaging. And most certainly not you opening it. Oh no. Then they get bored and fuck off. Hopefully forever. Be fully prepared for some manufactured health crisis to entice you back in.

The pain in your chest is more likely to be extreme anxiety rather than anything life-threatening. Fright or flight. You decide on fight. It might not feel like it but this is a situation which you can have some control over.

Has anyone mention FOG yet? Fear. Obligation. Guilt. A natural response by someone who's suffered such terrible abuse.

EssexMummy123 · 14/03/2015 17:49

I honestly think that min contact is a lot harder that no contact.

HairyHandedFucker · 14/03/2015 17:56

Can you move far away? A nice fresh start for you all? (DH & DC)

Cthulhahula · 14/03/2015 18:06

She tried the health scare on Wednesday. Skin cancer apparently since Christmas, never mentioned on any of the 3 occasions we've seen her. Apparently they don't tell me things because I'm "fragile" and they can't predict how I might react. Hmm
Also mentioned her and my father's ages were against them and I would regret if I didn't spend time with them while they were still alive. Both in their fifties.

I am very afraid of my dad. She threatened to involve him but he was asleep and didn't answer his phone. He works nights so is available to accompany her when she comes over and never in the best of moods. We suspect also an aspie but so under the thumb he now believes everything she says.

He has a history of violent temper tantrums and when I was a child smashed the house up more than once in fits of rage. He shouts excruciatingly loudly and I still flinch at raised voices because of it. (When I was 16 my English teacher yelled at someone in the class, not me but I had to be escorted out as I was shaking so hard.) He has been involved in several violent road-rage incidents over the last few years and may or may not have been cautioned.( Mother would never divulge something that would make her look bad.)
Dad stood up for me once when she was trying to hound me out of a job I liked because I got promoted, she threatened to leave him and now he does what he is told when he is told.
They once threatened my husband at his place of work too when I was voluntarily under the care of a mental health unit. They accused DH of having me committed, of causing my eating disorder so he could stay at home and claim benefits. He was working half days to care for the kids and obviously, his pay was cut accordingly and we were living off of my savings. We wanted nothing more than to go back to normal and they turned up threatening non-existent legal action to have me released to them as DH was "abusive.".
They humiliated themselves mostly but it showed the lengths to which my father has now been brainwashed.

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FrancesNiadova · 14/03/2015 19:44

Chahula, I read your post earlier & was so angry for you that I had to put it down & then come back to it.
If they ever enter your home & refuse to leave again, ("leave my home, leave it now," said calmly, with no emotion), then you take your keys & mobile phone, leave & lock the door on your way out. Once you are safely outside & they are inside, call the police & tell.them the truth: that you have trapped an aggressive intruder who refuses to leave & is threatening you, in your home. If the flying monkeys then do their bidding, you record/print off the evidence & apply for a restraining order. Every time that they contact you is more evidence that you can use against them.
You are not at fault here, you have been subjected to a lifetime of abuse & you are doing all you can to break the cycle.
You are one remarkable and strong lady. I had to take a break just reading your post. You kick these abusers out of your life for good. Full stop. Flowers

Vivacia · 14/03/2015 19:49

Once you are safely outside & they are inside, call the police & tell.them the truth: that you have trapped an aggressive intruder who refuses to leave & is threatening you, in your home.

This is not good advice.

RandomMess · 14/03/2015 19:54

I would urge you to go complete NC but it has to be your decision.

What would your dh like to happen? Would he support you in NC and be happy about it?

I think you should concentrate on your relationship with him because he is your future and presumably is a decent man?

MeerkaRIPSirTerry · 14/03/2015 20:35

Other people on these boards have had the same experience, cthula.

In this situation they rang the police and got their parents escorted out.

I think you need to talk to your DH about this and about what happened and also to your counsellor. It's incredibly difficult when you are so terrified but you are going to have to face this and go on with the process of going NC. As someone said, it's part of the process of going NC with someone who is highly poisonous.

Keep taking it step by step. You can do this, step by step by step. it was never going to be easy. But you can get there.