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A non-heartfelt apology?

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AlphaBravoHenryFoxtons · 13/03/2015 22:16

Complicated family situation.

On holiday last year, I pointed out to a relative (she is married to a blood relative) that she was being rude to waiting staff. I had endured a week of it and I was totally exasperated. She's very outspoken and ready with her criticism of everyone, so I thought in that context it was OK to speak out. Anyway, it didn't go well. She just started to shout at me at the dinner table. She is non English and often criticises the English for being uptight, conservative, capable of only small talk, dull, forming ridiculous queues etc. Anyway, as she started to shout at me, I gently suggested that the way she behaved with waiters might be acceptable in her home country but it was considered impolite in the UK. I said that to offer her some form 'get out' for her horrible behaviour, actually in an attempt to defuse the situation. But she just carried on shouting at me then left the table in a huffy. And left the holiday without saying goodbye to me, my husband or my children. Her husband and children came to say goodbye to us as they left but not her. We just chuckled about it.

We have since hosted various large family gatherings and have invited her along with her husband and her children, but her husband and children have attended alone.

Her husband has today been in touch to say she is refusing to attend a forthcoming family gathering at a restaurant unless she receives an apology for the incident last summer. Her husband said he thinks she's being unreasonable. I've asked my husband if he feels I should apologise. (He was present.) He doesn't think I have anything to apologise for. Her husband said she will give him a hard time if he attends the gathering without her, and as he'd like to attend he has contacted us looking for a resolution. I think he's used to subordinating to her, so probably thinks we will do likewise.

I don't feel I did anything wrong. And most certainly not in the context of the way she dishes out outspoken criticism to others. But I do now wish I hadn't said what I said. Sad It's nothing short of astonishing that she's reacted in such a prickly manner and is attempting to paint herself as some sort of victim. If anything I feel she owes me an apology. We have assured the husband that as far as we're concerned it's all water under the carpet and we have demonstrated our white flag by inviting her to our home on a few occasions.

Do you think I should apologise? I could and would if I felt it was the right thing to do.

Or should we just offer not to go to the gathering, so they can go together?

Or do we just ignore their nonsense and attend. And let them decide themselves whether to attend or not attend? It's such a lot of nonsense. I feel embarrassed to have written this down.

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AnyFucker · 13/03/2015 22:19

I would not apologise

I would attend any events I wanted to attend

What she does with that information is up to her

if her partner also suffers because of her behaviour that is his own look out....and he will suffer in many more than this

it's not your responsibility to try and make it right

jackydanny · 13/03/2015 22:20

You could say 'I'm
Sorry you feel that way', I would not apologise in this instance. For what!

AnyFucker · 13/03/2015 22:20

many more ways

YvetteChauvire · 13/03/2015 22:24

No don't apologise. Really don't. If you do then she will be even worse.

She sounds like a nightmare. I feel very sorry for her husband, but he needs to grow a pair.

MeerkaRIPSirTerry · 13/03/2015 22:25

No, don't apologise. That way lies the path of treading on eggshells round her. Which becomes very hard work long term.

It's rough on her husband but he has to fight his own battles, you can't do it for him and I don't think you were rude in the first place. If she was normally okay but just had a bad day then yeah a bit of social oil is okay. But this sounds like she'll go ahead and do something similar again and you can't always be apologising .. unless you want to be always taking her extreme sensibilities into account.

Walkacrossthesand · 13/03/2015 22:40

All you did was comment on her behaviour. She was the one that shouted and stormed off. An apology from you - for what? Daring to disagree with her? - would be completely inappropriate. her husband should be pointing this out to her and suggesting that she be the one who apologises if she wants family harmony to be restored. Good luck with that one though Hmm but the only apology-type remark that there's space for, is 'I'm sorry she feels that way' as per PP.

AlphaBravoHenryFoxtons · 13/03/2015 23:00

Thank you all. I'm so relieved to hear your responses.

I could cry as I feel so stressed by it. She's a difficult (and unhappy) personality and we have all been guilty of making allowances for her rudeness over the years. We should have challenged her rudeness early on.

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MeerkaRIPSirTerry · 14/03/2015 11:06

it is incredibly stressful.

You didn't want this fight, you didn't pick this fight but unfortunately you're the ones in the firing line.

the only thing you can say is that if you don't stand up to her, she'll rule the entire roost in a few years' time and make everyone's lives more stressful. Often people like this slowly get worse too, so this fight would have turned up in the end.

I actually think people like this needs letting know early on that their behaviour isn't okay or else it becomes ingrained and they get worse and worse ... much what you say.

AlphaBravoHenryFoxtons · 14/03/2015 18:26

Just to update.

DH had a text this morning to say they won't be going to the lunch tomorrow AND that we might now be too late to book the restaurant. Shock (They were responsible for booking the restaurant, we were told last week by my DH's mother that they were booking the table and the booking had been made.) We phoned the restaurant to try and make a booking but no joy. And then we tried several other restaurants and still no joy. Unsurprisingly as mothering sunday is one of the busiest days of the year.

So it looks like we are going to have to host a lunch tomorrow. Something we didn't want to do as we have builders in.

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AlternativeTentacles · 14/03/2015 18:30

Why do you have to host it? Surely they will be hosting it as they didn't book it?

And you can't anyway - as you have the builders in.

AlphaBravoHenryFoxtons · 14/03/2015 18:43

My 87 year old MIL thinks she's going out for lunch for mother's day. Smile I see no alternative that doesn't involve her day being spoilt.

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AlternativeTentacles · 14/03/2015 18:45

Wetherspoons?

AlphaBravoHenryFoxtons · 14/03/2015 19:05

Actually it wouldn't really matter where it is. We are now ringing round some more restaurants/pubs, having widened our search a bit.

We haven't yet got to Weaterspoons but it may come to that. Grin Thanks, AlternativeTentacles.

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