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Marriage in trouble

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Lilyofthevalley77 · 13/03/2015 03:23

Please bear with me I'm a newbie!

Need a a little bit of advice. I have been with my husband for 14 years and married for 5 with three kids(7,5 and 1m). He is a wonderful and generous man,who would do anything for his family and friends. However our relationship has reached an impasse. He is 15 years older than me.

I am a go getta kind of person. I am very ambitious. I have worked very hard to be where I am today despite my feel good and slightly tragic life... My husband is the opposite of me. He doesn't have a job. He occasionally does odd jobs here and there, nothing that could help us build a future on. I am the bread winner. I have, for the past ten years studied for at least two degrees and worked at the same time. He has none. To be fair, he has helped with looking after the kids while I was studying and working.

I have felt unhappy for a a good number of years. I have suppressed my thoughts because of our kids. Lately the situation has become unmanageable. Early last year, I found out he had a child he never told me about. He had him before we met( he cheated on the woman he was married to before me, I suspect that may be one of the reasons he never told me). He and his family knew all along and I was the only one unaware of the existence of the said child.

He has previously cheated on me, most recently twice,soon after I had given birth to our kids. I never dealt with his cheating, although I did consider leaving him at the time, my life was on the fast lane. I had no time to process my thoughts. I was studying, working and had young kids. I focused on what was working for me at the time.

He has been physically abusive to me in the past. Sometimes I do fear what might happen if I left. Things are better now, with regards to physical violence. I have told him about my feelings of disappointment. He is not lazy at all but I don't know what his problem is. He doesn't look for a job and I am tired of asking him to get one. He does plan and promise to do things for us. How the hell is he going to keep these promises without a job?

I have been thinking about divorce for a while. I believe I have reached a point of no return. There are so many issues in our marriage, some things can't be put into words. Some are just basic things: he doesn't help the kids with their homework, we have different parenting styles and he's always complaining about everyone in his family etc. I am consciously aware that I was fairly young when we met. I wonder if we have grown apart or if it's just me who is selfish? I resent him, everything he does irritates me and I cringe everytime he touches me. He can be insensitive at times: forcing me to kiss him or something like that. I told him things weren't working out and he said he would throw himself in a river if I left him. Sometimes I feel it's not fair on him because he does love me but I am not happy at all. I feel he deserves better than me because he is generally a loving and well meaning man. I have anxiety and I have trouble sleeping at times. Mostly worried about the kids.

My youngest child is just a few weeks old and I am already thinking about going back to work. It's a need to be at work kind of situation, for financial reasons. I have also been considering opening my own business,hoping I will have a little bit of flexibility with my time to be able to spend time with my kids. Ideally, I would love to stay home for at least a year to be with my little one. To be honest, I also feel physically and emotionally tired. I could use with a break from my busy schedule. I never had a chance to be a proper Mummy with my other kids, I sent them to nursery when they were very young.

It is incumbent for me to give my children the best possible start in life. That's the most pre- eminent thing in my life. Their wellbeing and happiness takes precedence of all else but I'm terrified of messing their lives if I divorce their Father???

Any advice will be appreciated. I'm a little perturbed. I don't know what to do.

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quietlysuggests · 13/03/2015 03:35

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candyce83 · 13/03/2015 03:39

He doesnt sound wonderful...he sounds like a manchild. Would you tell your DD to carry on a relationship with a man who'd done the things to her he's done to you?

Your children will be fine with a good mother like you...
And lets be honest, their happiness wasn't his priority when he was cheating and lied about having another child. This relationship hasn't fallen apart because of you...its fallen apart because of his choices.

dratsea · 13/03/2015 03:46

I post only because I am in NZ and so 13 hrs ahead of UK and I see your pain. The advice will arrive, very shortly and in spades. Flowers

SensationalGirl · 13/03/2015 04:13

The first paragraph looked like a marriage that was rocky but could be saved. Then each additional paragraph just got worse and worse. I have no advice to help save this marriage, I think you should divorce.

dollius · 13/03/2015 05:16

He "helps" with the children? Why isn't he the one doing the lion's share? That aside, he is an abusive cocklodger.

AlternativeTentacles · 13/03/2015 05:26

Yes, i think you need to end this asap.

'I will throw myself in a river' (or any other suicide threat)
Should only ever be followed with:
'Crack on mate'.

It is part of the abuse to threaten this to guilt trip you into staying.

What is the house situation? You can tell him to leave, log it with the police as he has been violent in the past, and if he starts, call them immediately for backup.

Or can you and the kids go, he wont be able to afford the rent/mortgage and then you can offer to move back in once he has left.

Witchofthenorth · 13/03/2015 06:43

He doesn't sound wonderful at all! And I don't think you'll mess up the kids life by divorcing their father, you'll be doing them and yourself a massive favour.

Cabrinha · 13/03/2015 06:51

He has physically and sexually assaulted you. (forcing you to kiss him is a sexual assault)
He cheats on you.
He lies to you. (about having another child, FFS!)
And on top of all that, sounds like a total arsehole.

Why do you not know why he won't get a job? Because he has an easy life funded by you, and it return he abuses.

Each paragraph made my jaw drop further.
He cheats on you!!!
Marriage in trouble?
No, marriage pissed all over, by him. Marriage DEAD.

Can you talk to Women's Aid?
I'd say talk to a solicitor, but I think you need some help to process how bad this is, first.

Finola1step · 13/03/2015 06:58

He's been physically and sexually abusive. He cheats on you. He's lied to you for years. He's a cocklodger. It's all there.

The very best thing you can do is remove this man from your home.

Vivacia · 13/03/2015 07:00

He isn't a "generally loving and well-meaning man", is he?

He keeps this massive secret from you (and only you).
He physically assaults you.
He makes you fear for your safety physically should you leave him.
He forces himself upon you sexually.
He financially uses you.
He cheats on you.

I can not believe that you sprinkle these facts in your OP as though they are part and parcel of being with a "wonderful man". Your children and you deserve so much, much more than this.

I'd be interested to know how old you were when you got with him.

CogitoErgoSometimes · 13/03/2015 07:04

You sound like an ambitious, resourceful and strong woman who has an optimistic outlook and who does not give up easily. All good in the normal run of things but attributes that are not working in your favour when it comes to your partner. By sticking with him through the cheating, the deception, the idleness etc you've had to make so many allowances and compromise so many values that it's not surprising if you feel unhappy and resentful. Worse, because you've invested so much already, it'll feel like failure if you end it.

He is not wonderful at all. If you end the relationship, you'd make it work because that's who you are.

AttilaTheMeerkat · 13/03/2015 07:13

I would seek legal advice asap and start divorce proceedings.

Your marriage is well and truly dead and it would do your children no favours at all to grow up within such a household. Doing that will really mess with their heads and they will accuse you of putting him before them (thus ruining your own relationship with them as well).

What do you want to teach your children about relationships here; surely not this role model of one?.

What did you learn yourself about relationships when growing up. I would also think you were late teens/ early 20s when you met?.

Do not get yourself caught up in the sunken costs fallacy; that has already caused you to make poor relationship decisions.

Vivacia · 13/03/2015 07:15

Oh yes, this, "You sound like an ambitious, resourceful and strong woman who has an optimistic outlook and who does not give up easily." from Cog. It shines through your posts.

wallypops · 13/03/2015 07:20

Definitely a dead marriage. Time to start extracting yourself and the kids. No need to keep supporting him then he might get a job. (Doubtful).
I would hold off starting a business. Generally this is not an easy option - I have started 2 as a single mum with a job and the launching/first year part is 100 hour weeks so mostly not at all flexible.

Anniegetyourgun · 13/03/2015 07:23

You say things are "better now, with regards to physical violence" - does that mean he doesn't knock you about at all, or only occasionally, or it's down to a mere bit of pushing once in a while? Are you aware that a "wonderful" man (or even a plain ordinary one) wouldn't be violent to his partner at all - ever?

You say he's very generous, but he isn't earning, so what is he generous with?

You say he's not lazy, but he does a few odd jobs here and there and isn't looking for work despite making promises. I imagine you base the not-lazy assessment on the amount of work he is prepared to do for his wider family and friends, rather than for his own family unit? And then he complains about everyone in his family, who he is so lovely and helpful to, behind their backs. Lovely.

You do all the lying awake and worrying about the kids, you help with their homework, you make the important decisions regarding their care. You say he helped with looking after them while you were working and studying, then that you sent them to nursery while they were very young - so he didn't even have to do very much of that. What, exactly, is he for? Where is the partnership?

You say he deserves better than you. Well, honey, you must have a very, very low self-image to believe that an ambitious, intelligent young mother of three is a poorer creature than an old lech who can't even be bothered to stay faithful to you. I suppose he has plenty of time for cheating under the circumstances.

Your post is riddled with contradictions and inconsistencies. You're trying to cling on to your long-held belief (that your husband is loving and well meaning) in the teeth of all the evidence. It's an uncomfortable place to be in. No wonder you are turned off him and no wonder you have trouble sleeping.

I've taken so long typing this that no doubt someone else will use the word before I do, but what you have there, my love, is a common or garden cocklodger; someone who has nothing to bring to the table but fine words and his cock. And he can't even keep that out of other women.

CogitoErgoSometimes · 13/03/2015 07:27

I should have added that physical violence crosses a line. Whether your children witness it directly or not, it is damaging for them to grow up in an environment where Mum is still scared enough of Dad to mean she puts up with behaviour others wouldn't tolerate. Have you ever reported the assaults to anyone? GP? Police? Women's Aid?

Lilyofthevalley77 · 13/03/2015 13:00

Many thanks for taking the time to comment on my post. I do have a good understanding of how bad the situation is. I think I've come full circle. We met when I was 21. It's actually 16 years we've been together not 14. With regards to my self esteem, there is an element of that. I am an orphan. My parents died when I was 7. My youngest brother was 1. I was raised by my grandmother and I also brought up my three little brothers with the help of my granny with absolutely nothing. My childhood was riddled with pain... I have always felt like a caretaker. I don't give up easily. That's in my nature.

I should have mentioned that the kids went to nursery on a part time basis. My job requires me to travel quite a lot. He stays home with them while I'm away. I always Skype to help with their homework. I worry about coping without his assistance. Although one of my brothers and his girlfriend are very good with my kids. Sometime they come and stay with them while I am away. They are both school age. They only need a need someone in the morning and at night. My brother drives and works 9-5. It would work just fine when I need him( his words). We have discussed it before. I feel like I will be asking too much of him. I feel bad. That's when I thought perhaps opening a business might be a plausible solution to this conundrum. Wallypops, I hear you but what other choice do I have? Anniegetyourgun, i have known that for a long time.

I reported him to the police and he was charged. He is very jealous and paranoid. He keeps asking for my mobile password all the time. I have blatantly refused to give it to him. I was seeing a counsellor by myself for a while and I also contacted Women's Aid. I was trying to make an exit plan but right in the middle of it all I found out I was pregnant. Needless to say I was shocked. All my plans came to a halt. I cry a lot. I feel sad when I'm at home with just him without the boys. I'm very lucky to have my best friend. I lean on her.

With regards to him getting a job, it is highly unlikely. A friend of mine once said, he doesn't feel the need to be in a job because 'I am his pension fund'. I have reiterated the importance of him being in employment. Our children need to identify with a male role model( all boys). My seven year old has noticed a lot about our relationship. He told me he would like to be in my line of work because 'it's so cool'. Which is nice but it would also be lovely if their Dad had a job he could tell them about. I am embarrassed for my children.

We are renting at the moment. There are no asserts to divide (apart from cars). A divorce should be relatively easy, right? I'm not in love with him at all. I have experienced moments propelled by discomfort for a long time. I need to step out of this rut and find truer answers to attain inner peace. If not for myself then for my children. I will make an appointment with an attorney asap to brainstorm my options.

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AlternativeTentacles · 13/03/2015 13:04

Can you get a nanny? Would be cheaper than supporting him I suspect. Or hire childcare when you need it.

Please do this for your kids and yourself. You deserve better and sound like an awesome working mum providing for her family. He on the other hand sounds like a complete waste of space.

thatsucks · 13/03/2015 13:21

Good for you my love. You deserve freedom and happiness aware from this dick - as you your children.

I do think you need to explore why you started off your OP by saying your h is 'wonderful and generous and would do anything for his family'.

It's not even a case of you not realising he's abusive. You've called the police on him and worked out an exit plan with Women's Aid.

Was that lack of confidence talking (in case people found you judgemental or untruthful?), or lack of self esteem or guilt or confusion?

Once you've kicked his sorry, violent, abusive, lazy, selfish arse out you would do well to explore that with a good counsellor I'd think.

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