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Living with an emotionally abusive man (I think)

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piercedprincess · 08/03/2015 18:26

So my husband is extremely tough and emotionally stressful to live with (so am I more on that later) even though on the outside he always pretends and claims to be the perfect husband, really his bad side is a sulky, dishonest, petulant, disrespectful ex-alcoholic who would likely go back to abusing alcohol any time if I didn't keep an eye on him.

He's not always horrible, in fact, some of the time he's lovely and the problem is he never really does anything that on the surface could be classified as abuse, ie: he doesn't hit me, he doesn't call me many names (though that has happened) but he abuses through smirking and scorn sarcasm, witholding, subtle slurs, emotional neglect, freezing out, ignorance, lack of affection, dishonesty, and tone of voice.

When he used to drink he used to be completly evil to me though, I mean really, really perverse, argumentative, put me down, all that sort of thing although he never hit me, and it was just awful which was why I had to put up a fight to stop all that, my life was just becoming unbearable.

Whenever I have confronted him about his abuse he just denies everything then calls me crazy, totally classic techniques I know but still really hard to deal with.

This may sound pretty harsh, and it is, and I have my flaws trust me but I'm super angry right now.

I'm desperately unhappy but the thing is if he changed everything would be great. My problem is that there's nothing concrete, if he hit me for instance I'd just walk, if he cheated on me or even said anything particularly awful like "I don't love you" it would be simple end of relationship.

In fact I've probably said more awful things to him than he's outright said to me. I've told him I don't love him that I am going to leave him but I always do this after he provokes me, it's like an abusive pattern we're in.

I'm sure I'm not imagining things whenever he tries to instigate abuse but he tells me I am. Now I'm a pretty smart woman and I'm pretty intuitive too and I also know I'm not crazy but when the abuse is subtle, it does leave you wondering if it is really happening, especially when the abuser fervently denies it.

The other problem is because I'm pretty intuitive, if the abuse isn't happening then why do I feel so bad? It's so bad sometimes I can't even look at him because the way he looks at me makes me want to hit him (he smirks) at me like something's amusing him.

I know love isn't always easy but it's not supposed to feel like this I'm sure. We've been together for ages and ages (I'm 35, he's 37) and we're trying for our first baby, which we both really want, but I am truly starting to think he is a bit of a damaged and unhealthy person, because I really am quite emotionally unhappy and our relationship is quite unstable.

He has a history of being dishonest with me, mostly surrounding alcohol, or at least the situations I have caught him out have been, so trust is pretty threadbare.

And I know that many of you are probably reading this thinking why stay then but like I said, the abuse is very subtle, but no less painful than if he'd hit me in the face.

The thing is as well that I do have insecurity issues so I don't want those to be clouding my judgement, but honestly, just today we went to the store together and I pointed to a packet of biscuits and said "I like those" and in a complete monotone he replied "I know," in front of another woman as if he hated me.

This after only this f**cking morning we'd had sex!!!!!!!! I was spitting chickens so, and I hate to admit it, we had an argument which culminated in me hitting him. Yeah pretty messed up I know.

See I'm not perfect I give as good as I get, I call horrible names, I've hit him sometimes in an argument, and yep that probably makes me an abusive partner too.

But honestly, if he didn't try and wind me up I wouldn't need to retaliate. Does that make me sound like an abuser making excuses too?

I want a healthy relatrionship with him, I don't want to fight, and he claims he doesn't either, but I don't know if any of you have been in this position, I feel as though I'm walking on eggshells sometimes because he acts like I don't make him happy. That puts me on guard because I know a subtle slur is on the way, and then sure enough something will be said that he knows winds me up but isn't anything that anyone else would ever be able to call abuse. Then we have an argument which usually results in him denying it and me calling him names or something like that.

Then we ignore each other for about a day. I know, really, really childish huh? And every time I just think to myself, everything was going so well, if he just hadn't said that thing, done that thing...Am I being unreasonable?

Another thing is when we go out sometimes he acts like he's checking out other women and I catch him smiling at them although he claims he doesn't. This wouldn't wind me up so much if he looked at me that way but sometimes the way he looks at me doesn't make me feel that he desires me anymore. Is this my paranoia?

I've asked him if he does and he says yes so I don't know what to think....

How can a man who claims to be in love with me and who I love make me feel so unhappy? How can he act like he can't stand to see me happy sometimes? Are we unhealthily co-dependent? We've been together forever and there honestly feels like there is a lot of love there but then at times it feels like he just hates me. Sad

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Timmytime2025 · 08/03/2015 18:32

DONT HAVE A BABY WITH THIS MAN! Sorry to shout but if you think its bad now you have no idea what is to come and if he does drink or anything else you are stuck with him and him having access to your child for the next 18 years which take it from me is hell.
Would he go to counselling? Is it possible the relationship has just run its course and no one wants to call it a day?
You list a lot of things that could be classed as emotionally abusive and then you say you hit him?
What about having a break and see if you really miss this man or if it is a habit?
Trust me the worse thing ever if you feel insecure is to be pregnant.

pocketsaviour · 08/03/2015 18:32

"we're trying for our first baby"

STOP. stop. stop. For the love of god, stop.

Christinayang1 · 08/03/2015 18:33

Honestly neither of the two of you seem very happy, it almost sounds like game playing and point scoring and no it isn't good if someone gets you so frustrated you lash out

I don't think bringing a baby into this situation would be a good idea

Can you separate and give yourself some time to think?

pocketsaviour · 08/03/2015 18:35

"I want a healthy relatrionship with him, I don't want to fight" Not going to happen, sorry. He's a thorough cunt from what you've described and in your shoes I'd be making immediate plans to leave.

Why hang around going "Oh if only he was nice this would be so great". Are you kidding me?! There are loads of actual nice men out there, don't waste your time on this fuckwit.

I can almost see the smirk you describe. Bin him off!!!

AttilaTheMeerkat · 08/03/2015 18:39

Do not bring a baby into this whatever you do.

You describe him as an ex alcoholic; he is still alcoholic and he is treating you appallingly. You read as being co-dependent as well (co-dependency anyway often features in relationships where there is underlying alcoholism) in that you constantly police him to see if he is going to start dinking again. That way madness lies.

What is at all good about any aspect of this relationship?.

Abusers can be nice sometimes; if they were not no-one would want to be with them. You're in love basically with that nice image of him in your head; the nice man was a mirage designed to suck you right in. Walking on eggshells to my mind is infact code for living in fear.

You will never get a healthy relationship with him because he is not emotionally healthy himself. You likely also have rescuer and or saviour tendencies and want to fix him. He is and was never yours to rescue and or save; he is not your project or fixer upper.

What do you get out of this relationship now; answer yourself that question honestly. I think if you did you would realise that you get nothing at all positive from this and that you would be better off apart.

Work on getting away from this man and love your own self for a change.

Better off apart and happier than to be together and miserable as you in particular are now. A baby will just open up the already gaping chasms even more, this is absolutely not a healthy relationship for you both to bring a child into.

DontDrinkandFacebook · 08/03/2015 18:39

Are we unhealthily co-dependent?

Sounds like it to me. you both sound like total nightmares to be honest. For God's sake, don't have a baby together.

AttilaTheMeerkat · 08/03/2015 18:42

I am also going to ask you exactly what you learnt about relationships when growing up. You likely learnt a lot of damaging crap that you have simply carried over into this relationship now; you're basically two damaged people in a toxic relationship. You are basically not good for each other.

piercedprincess · 08/03/2015 19:07

My parents had a very dsyfunctional relationship. My mother is an extreme narcissist control freak and my father a compulsive gambler and liar, and they used to have awful screaming rows that would become physical on her end, she would hit him, he never hit her.

Me and my brother would frequently get dragged in to to take my mother's side, if we didn't we were punished for it , maybe not outright, maybe not straight away but she would make us pay if we didn't.

I know one poster said we both sound like total nightmares and she's likely right, together we can be I guess lol. But you misunderstand if you think most of the time we're screaming at each other, we rarely raise our voices, it's not like that, it's more a ...tension. Our bickering style is much more ego driven point scoring than street brawling, screaming and violence,even name calling is rare.

Today where I hit him was rare, I guess I just snapped because I'd had enough.

Look I suppose because I was around a lot of unhealthy crap when I was growing up it has made me much more tolerant of unhealthy conflict styles than other people would be. But now I truly want to be healthy, I want to detoxify my relationship, I want both of us to be healthy. How can we do this? Is it possible?

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Christinayang1 · 08/03/2015 19:18

You have to each work on being healthy individuals...whether there is a future after that who knows?

separate and work on yourself and then take it from there

Guiltypleasures001 · 08/03/2015 19:19

In a word op no you can't

Just because you want it to work doesn't make it so, does he want it to work? Does he thinks they're are issues and if so is he interested in making it work?

I think you've got yourself in to a relationship that is the mirror image of your parents, and look what thats done to you. Having a baby is down right irresponsible for the both of you, I don't need to be a mind reader to see what a car crash that would be for the both of you. Just because you love somebody doesn't make them right for you by default.

Some people are just poison to each other and I'm afraid it seems like you both are. Your not compatible no matter how much you wish you were, you both bring out the worst in each other

georgepigsdinosaur · 08/03/2015 19:24

So you're physically violent towards him? Get out for his sake!
All the guy said is "I know" after you pointed out some fucking biscuits to him. You thought that was worthy of an argument and to physically assault him? I hope he goes to the police.

piercedprincess · 08/03/2015 19:49

georgepigsdino I do understand your point. It didn't happen quite that way but I get what you're saying. This is my exact dilemma in fact, is it him or me that's at fault here?

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Timmytime2025 · 08/03/2015 19:53

Both I would say. Fault doesn't matter if you are that unhappy it's time to leave. He sounds awful to live with and certainly emotionally abusive but his behaviour has now triggered something dangerous in you. Time to change something.

ToffeeLatteplease · 08/03/2015 20:20

No not with each other.

You need to work through your individual issues separately.

When a relationship breaks down so badly you need to look at what is different, what has changed to mean that the destructive cycles won't just continue. Even if you have changed (which I doubt without space time and counselling) you cannot change him and the same cycle will continue.

A definition of Stupidity: the art of doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result.

ToffeeLatteplease · 08/03/2015 20:24

Fault is kinda irrelevant. You both show so little respect for each other you no longer have that thing in your brain that stops you when you want to hurt each other. When that has gone you really cannot be healthy together.

mooth · 08/03/2015 20:29

You must not bring a baby into this situation.

piercedprincess · 08/03/2015 20:31

Hrrrm. Well this thread has certainly given me lots ot think about and there are many valid points here. Toffee what you said about not wanting to hurt each other is pretty spot on I think. Sad but spot on. Is there any remedy for that I wonder or am I just wishful thinking? Counselling maybe?

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CocktailQueen · 08/03/2015 20:33

Agree with the others! Don't have a baby with him! Life gets so much more stressful with a newborn, and during pregnancy is a classic time for abusers to ramp up their abuse.

So he hasn't hit you - but you have hit him. Over what sounds like an innocuous remark about biscuits. That's not great, OP.

Sounds like you just don't get on, you're not happy together, so why on earth stay? You don't have to have suffered DV to leave a relationship - you can leave for any reason you like.

This is your life. It's a short life. Do you want to spend the rest of it like this?

Duckdeamon · 08/03/2015 20:36

Counselling (for couples) isn't recommended in situations of abuse.

Don't ttc with him! Really really a bad plan and likely to make the relationship much worse, and be a bad environment for a DC.

You can't police his drinking.

Duckdeamon · 08/03/2015 20:39

If you have a child with him and later break up, and he drinks, you would likely have to let him have unsupervised overnight care of your DC.

I have a friend in that situation, her ex gets hammered all the time, very difficult for all concerned, not least the DC.

Cherrychocolate · 08/03/2015 20:43

Oh dear God.......you're trying for a baby? Really? Don't.

He emotionally abuses you and you physically abuse him.

If you bring a baby into this situation you are being totally selfish.

Cherrychocolate · 08/03/2015 20:45

You do realise it's not ok for you to be hitting him, right op? That is not normal behaviour either.

AnnieLobeseder · 08/03/2015 20:49

FFS, you make each other miserable and are emotionally and occasionally physically violent towards each other. Why on earth are you together? Convenience? Habit? Seems like too much effort to split?

You don't have to have a reason like infidelity or abuse to leave a relationship. You are always fully entitled to split with anyone at any time you choose, for any or no reason at all.

You don't work well together. You don't make each other happy. There is not point trying to make anything of this current relationship. Move on for god's sake and get some counselling to deal with your childhood issues before you get into another relationship.

But most of all, don't inflict your dysfunctional relationship on a poor innocent child! Stop trying to have a baby!!

ToffeeLatteplease · 08/03/2015 22:46

I had a dog once. He bit me. Quite definitely wasn't his fault but it happened all the same.

My parents re-homed him. To my knowledge he lived a very long and happy life and never bit anyone else

But with me that line had been crossed, there was nothing to say it wouldn't be crossed again.

Problem is had the dog remained in the house, had I begged my parents to keep him, everyone would have born some responsibility had he hurt me again.

Keep someone you love safe, safe from hurting you and safe from you hurting them. That's love