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Please help me help my friend - marriage and cheating etc.

9 replies

Natalie01973 · 28/02/2015 18:12

I am a NCing regular. Pom bears, gluezilla, penis beaker etc etc. My usual name is maybe identifiable and I don't want to out myself for fear of outing my friend if this situation is recognised (will try to make it as anon as possible). Apologies as this may be long.

My friend has been married for 11 years and has two DCs, aged 10 and 7. Up until recently I thought she and her DH were happily married as everything seemed okay on the outside. A couple of weeks ago after we both had one too many, she started telling me some things that had happened and she has mentioned more since then. It's like the too much alcohol opened the gates and she's felt more able to talk. Here's the situation:

About five years ago, friends DH had an affair with one of the mums from school. It didn't go on too long before my friend found out and it ended (OW's DH found out and punched my friend's DH, he had to explain his injury). Since then she has done all school pick ups herself. She said she doesn't know why she doesn't let her DH do them since the mum in question no longer has DCs at the school, I think (although I didn't question her) that it's likely a general trust issue rather than thinking there is someone there in particular, iyswim.

Friend forgave her DH and they moved on, but about three years ago now there was another incident where the DH was caught sending incriminating emails to a colleague in another department (full of things like what they wanted to do to each other etc). Friend found out by hacking her DH's emails and confronted the colleague who shut down the contact immediately. Friend and DH went through another rough patch but ultimately they have stayed together.

Things have been okay since then but recently friend has started to suspect her DH again. There is a woman he has contact with through work who he been flirty with. She works for a connected agency and they see each other about once a month. Other colleagues of his have commented on it apparently. My friend doesn't think anything has actually happened but given her DH's history, I can understand her concern. He is also quite flirty with a couple of women in his office, one of them she thinks is quite innocent but the other might be crossing the line a little bit.

Friend is asking advice and I don't know what to say. So far I have just given her a hug, made her coffee and listened to her, which is what I think she needs more than anything (just someone to be there I guess). Should I be doing/saying something else? I don't know what to say for the best.

Thank you for any help (might be slow in replying to any responses as getting DCs sorted tonight).

OP posts:
CogitoErgoSometimes · 28/02/2015 18:18

Ask your friend what advice she wants. Seriously. Ask her does she want platitudes to keep her saddled with a serial adulterer or does she want you to help her rediscover her self respect.

Christinayang1 · 28/02/2015 18:22

Cogito has answered it

GinSoakedBitchyPony · 28/02/2015 18:28

What Cog said.

magoria · 28/02/2015 18:30

Your friend needs to accept that her H is emotionally and securely incontinent.

If she stays with him he will do this over and over. And should gave regular trips to an STI clinic.

She deserves better than to be treated like this.

Natalie01973 · 28/02/2015 18:32

Thank you Cogito.

My friend is lovely and wonderful and definitely doesn't deserve to be treated like this. Unfortunately she also suffers from very low self esteem. Not sure if this is rooted in her DH's behaviour or not. She also hates how she looks (granted she has put on significant weight since her youngest DC was born but no amount of people telling her she is beautiful seems to have help, she still is very down about it).

Next time she mentions all this, I will ask her what type of advice she is after. I don't want her to feel like I am condemning her marriage but I can't see how I would in good conscience be able to say I would stay in her shoes.

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Lovelydiscusfish · 28/02/2015 18:39

It's not always that easy, though. My friend has recently found out his wife has (yet again) cheated. He doesn't know whether to move on, or try again with her. And much as I want to yell "No, no, of course you can't try again with her, she'll just drag you down and make you miserable and trample all over you like she always does..." - I can't. My anger isn't helpful to him. In fact, it makes him defend her! Of course he knows what I think - but I don't beat him over the head with it.
So mostly I just listen, maybe pick up on certain things he said, challenge his negative self image ("You deserve to be happy." "Walking away would not be failure") etc etc. but mostly it's just listening. OP, I think that's all you can do too, actually. She's got to come to her own decision - I'm sure she's not daft - on some level she knows he's a shit, but you can't make her leave until she's ready. Just listen, be there for her. The fact that she spoke to you about it at all is a step in the right direction, I think. And you sound like a caring friend,

Natalie01973 · 28/02/2015 18:49

Thank you Lovely (and anyone else who has answered!). :)

If I'm honest (which I won't be to my friend, not to this degree) I think although her DH clearly does love her, he 'knows' my friend will not leave him and therefore there is nothing stopping him from doing whatever he wants. I doubt he will ever stop cheating because he has seen that there are no long term consequences.

My friend has also told me she did confront an entirely innocent colleague of her DH's a couple of years ago and is embarrassed at what she did. The only thing that made her suspect something was going on is that the colleague was off for a day and her DH was temporarily uncontactable. The colleague was and is happily married (no longer working at the same office). My friend feels mortified she did that but her mind ran away with possible scenarios.

I feel so sad that my lovely friend can be feeling like this and be in this relationship.

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ITHOUGHTISAW2ANGELSAHEADOFME · 28/02/2015 19:52

Oh my goodness your poor friend. Just keep being there And listening. Its a difficult situation confronting work colleagues i did this once on twitter my dh went mad and slept in spare room. Despite ot all being public insisted she was 'his' friend but i was concerned how often his notifications were bleeping. A woman def has a gut feeling for a reason. You sound like a lovely friend thats all you can keep doing in this situation.

CogitoErgoSometimes · 28/02/2015 20:27

Having low self-esteem, your friend either doesn't think she deserves better or she doesn't think she can do better. So she hangs onto this man for grim death, making excuses for him, tackling 'OWs' (which is quite the wrong approach as she found to her cost) and all she's achieving is that he regards her with more contempt and she regards herself as fat and unloveable.

She may not be ready to hear 'LTB' but, given that she has specifically asked your advice, I think you can have one shot at telling her exactly that. You can and should say that she deserves kindness, love and a faithful partner.

IME people tend to ask advice when they think they know what your answer is going to be.

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