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Still barely just dating after nearly 3 years. Is this turning into a fwb relationship?

24 replies

LollopingPylons · 22/02/2015 21:41

I'm worried my relationship is petering out, and I just wanted some views really.

We are both 46, I have two primary school children, he has none. Neither ever married. We don't live together.

5-6 years ago we both exited long term relationships.
His was 15 years duration. He went into that relationship as an early Twenties man to a woman several years older who already had two just turned teenagers. She decided she didn't want more children, so he remained childless. He left her because he felt it had run it's course.

Mine was 7 years duration, and of some quite considerable DV. I finally left shortly after my youngest was born.

We both then met eachother a few years later and have been together for 3 years come this May.

Our format has been this: every weekend he stays at mine from late eve Saturday to early eve Sun, and occassionally vice versa.
We occassionally get family babysitters for a night out just the two of us, perhaps every few months.
I see him for coffee one evening a week whilst my child is at Brownies. My other child accompanies us.
Since I have started work, we have managed to meet up on average once a week for lunch or coffee after work, for around an hour or so before I pick the kids up from school.

He has been on holiday with us for 5 days, but it was a little fraught. We all get to know the real person when living under the same roof, and it's unfortunate that holiday he learnt that I'm prone to panic attacks in crowded, enclosed places and games arcades. I didn't deal well with the situation and took it out on him, accusing him of not giving me 'space' to have a moment.

He later explained his previous holidays with girlfriends have all been fraught.

Anyway, we have been through a few things together. He lost his brother recently, indeed he was present at the time so traumatic for him. Then I lost our (unplanned) baby, then he had a heart attack a few months later.

You'd think is would bring us closer together, yet it hasn't, and Ifeel that because we don't see eachother very often, we can't ever achieve the kind of closeness that would develop this relationship in the usual way.

We've talked lightly about living together inthe future, but he's admitted he's very happy with his current lifestyle (coachouse flat, lots of gadgets, works from home, no real commitments other than his close family) and of course it's the first time he's lived alone as he went straight from his Mum's the above LTR in his early Twenties. So I do appreciate this.

But lately, I feel more and more like a fwb.

He puts enormous effort into taking us out on day trips and activities with the children, but the routine of staying over one night a week, enjoying eachother's company, having sex, and then returning Sunday evening, with no significant communication during the week other than a few texts, and no phone calls (neither of us are phone communication type people ... even though bizarrely it's my job to work on the phone all day Confused and he does phone his ex girlfriend of the above LTR every so often and have longish chats about nothing in particular with her).

How can I develop a degree of closeness in this relationship to move it forward a bit?

I wouldn't like to still just be dating (sleeping over once a week) in 1 or 2 or 3 more year's time, it just doesn't feel very, I dunno, grow up, or conventional, or whatever. I feel like I'm in a teenage dating scenario, but I'm a grown up woman of 46 with two kids.

What's your opinion of this relationship?

OP posts:
Lazaretto · 22/02/2015 21:43

I think he likes it as it is. If you don't, I would move on.

Lweji · 22/02/2015 22:01

It's not really our opinion that matters.
It's your opinion.
If you are not happy with the way it is, and want more then it should be a matter of you two finding a way of moving in together, or you leaving it to be free to have a more fulfilling relationship.

sooperdooper · 22/02/2015 22:05

Sounds like he's happy as it is, but what would your ideal relationship be? You want more, and you shouldn't have to compromise this much, would you be happy with this set up being the same in five years time?

WaxOnWaxOff · 22/02/2015 22:07

He's admitted he's happy with his current lifestyle, I'm not surprised tbh.

Do you really see a future with someone who doesn't seem all that arsed?

If he doesn't see himself living with you now, after 3 years together, I doubt he's going to change his mind on that.

Carii · 22/02/2015 22:13

Does he tell you that he is in love with you?

PotOfPaper · 22/02/2015 22:49

It's a tough one. Like you say and like others have observed, things don't seem to be moving forward and yes it does look like his ideal arrangement (and it might be some women's ideal arrangement too, but not yours).

I'm assuming you've had a heart to heart about it, so asking him directly?

If so, and he's still being vague, the strategy I would use would be to start owning the situation.

Have a conversation ("look, things seem to be slowing down with us, we'll continue as normal, but I'm looking to meet new people") without being too accusatory or heavy. Don't burn bridges.

Then look to date others. Obviously time is a consideration but with OD you can dip your toes in the water, you're probably not going to get into anything heavy straight off. Even meeting a couple of other prospects for an hours worth of coffee might give you a sense of perspective?

rather then giving him all the power and letting things progress according to his agenda and "saving yourself" for him according to his schedule and needs?

MadeMan · 22/02/2015 23:01

"What's your opinion of this relationship?"

My opinion is that it sounds pretty good. The thing is, that at 46 years old if he gives up his home and things to move in with you (I'm assuming this is what you mean when you say moving things along?) and then it all goes belly up in a few years time, then he will possibly have nothing and will have to start over again; probably from his mum's house. Nobody wants to be back to square one at 50; it's bad enough when you're younger but at least there's time on your side in your 20's/30's.

LollopingPylons · 22/02/2015 23:21

Carii I've asked him that once, and he couldn't answer, because he said he thinks it's just a woman concept, the idea of being 'in love' as opposed to just loving someone.
Perhaps I need to ask if he was 'in love' with any of his previous girlfriends.

PotofPaper Er, I'm not interested in an open relationship or seeing what else is out there! I'm very happy with him apart from the fact I can't see us moving forward anytime soon.

MadeMan Practically, he couldn't just move in with me. We would have to both move home and find a jointly suitable property to accommodate his working from home requirements. Both of us are renting.

Anyway, Im not sure this is what I mean by moving forward, although of course it's practically viable in terms or finances.
Where exactly does a relationship go next after nearly 3 years together??

We once met his friends at a pub, a married couple, and when he was buying drinks they were just generally chatting to me and she enquired after how I dealt with his stress generated by his self employment, that it must be nice to wind down every evening together and I replied that we didn't live together so Irarely saw him, and then I blushed and felt embarrassed because they said, oh! Sorry Ithought you lived together.

I want to build a life with all four of us together. Myself, him, the two children. But is it possible to do this without actually living together?? And I don't mean in a Helena Bonkers Carter kind of way living literally next door to your husband. I'm after something a bit more conventional at my age I think.

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MadeMan · 22/02/2015 23:30

Seems like you need to have a serious sit down talk with him and explain how you feel; that you would basically like to be a family unit together with the children.

LollopingPylons · 22/02/2015 23:43

Yes, MadeMan, I have tried that already, and his he said he felt I was trying to 'cajole' him into the idea, so I'm now suitably mortified about bringing up the subject again.

Regarding yor earlier post, yes that's exactly what happened with his previous girlfriend. He had to give up his house and start over again by moving back to his Mum's.
I suppose I haven't really looked seriously into the complications of running a business from home and the potential for having to suddenly move house again if the relationship breaks down, because it would indeed be difficult to find a property that could accommodate his particular business requirements if it all went pearshaped with me.

Further confirms I'm just heading for a dead end Sad

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Lweji · 22/02/2015 23:46

It sounds like a difficult decision, but better than flogging a dead horse or staying unhappy.

NeedABumChange · 22/02/2015 23:54

Well he likes thinks the away they are. Seeing you twice a week. You don't. That doesn't make him a dick or mean he's not into you. You just want different types of relationships. His last relationship involved moving in with a woman with two kids, maybe he doesn't want to do the same thing again? Slightly worried it will all go wrong?

You want the traditional thing, he doesn't and you can't force him to change so you need to decide if you are unhappy with what you have or just unhappy with what you don't have. There is nothing wrong with the relationship you have, it's just not the most common format. Not living together/ being married doesn't mean it's a "dead end".

And it certainly doesn't sound as though he thinks of you as a fwb. They don't do just coffee/days out/interact with children/ holidays etc.

Carii · 22/02/2015 23:56

Well if he hasn't told you that he loves you and when you ask him if he does he waffles some reply rather than saying simply, "I love you" then that would bother me. We can love many people, friends and family but being in love with the sexual partner is what makes it a relationship above all others doesn't it? Does he not take you out for dinner dates, Cinema ,weekends away (just the two of you)?

LollopingPylons · 23/02/2015 00:05

Carii, you asked if he'd said he was in love with me, not did he love me.
Yes, plenty of times he has said he loves me, and yes, we do have traditional dates,cinema and so on, weekends away very rarely due to childcare issues.

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Carii · 23/02/2015 00:22

Sorry OP, thought you meant he hasn't told you he loves you.

Carii · 23/02/2015 00:23

What about moving in with him.

PotOfPaper · 23/02/2015 00:33

If you do feel he genuinely loves you and that you have a close interaction, why can't you just write a nice no pressure e-mail/long text spelling out your needs:

"look, this is the way I'm feeling, I know you're busy with work, I'd like us to think about spending more time together, I was wondering how can we practically work towards this? Maybe have a think and we'll chat on Saturday. Love from...".

Etc etc. Not like you're asking him to marry you and adopt your children, just to state your feelings in a no pressure way. If you're afraid of displeasing him by stating your feelings after three years, then how is it a good relationship?

It doesn't matter if some strangers are saying "FWB" or not (which in my opinion is a very weird, vague, meaningless term), if you can't honestly say how you feel about something (and feel you have to not say anything if he claims you are trying to "cajole" him into doing something).

A relationship is about meeting two people's needs, not one person afraid to upset the other by suggesting the status quo isn't working.

WhatHo · 23/02/2015 00:40

Think BumChange has the nail on the head. He isn't being an arse per se, more that he has want he wants and it isn't necessarily what you want. So you either stay as is and run the risk of becoming resentful or have a big talk and run the risk of it all going tits up. TBH I think you have to sit down and talk at some point.

As a compromise could you suggest spending one night together during the week in the meantime?

LadyB49 · 23/02/2015 02:05

I'd be suggesting more time...as in...he stays Friday to Sunday, even over to Monday morning. Given the longer weekends might open up your eyes, both of you, in one way or another.

LollopingPylons · 23/02/2015 14:45

Carii , there's myself and two children here and he only lives in a 1 bed flat, so not possible to move in with him.

Lady I thought of that too, but the nature of his work means he has to be at home as he generally works into the night. He could clear a weekend and pop home to do work of course as and when needed, but I think we've discussed that before and nothing really came of it.
He also says that because he stays up late his sleepong patterns would interfere with my routine ie where I can't stay up too late as I have kids school and work to get up for.

I presume he just kept a normal sleep pattern with his previous live in girlfriend though.

I think I just have to accept he is happy with the way things are.

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ivykaty44 · 23/02/2015 17:33

You don't have to accept anything at all.....

Carii · 23/02/2015 20:57

Well I would think that you have to accept that this is who he is and he is happy with things the way they are with your relationship and that you are unlikely to get any more from him OR decide that you want a man who wants to change his world to be with you and live with you and doesn't want to spend another minute without making a big commitment to you.

Fairenuff · 23/02/2015 21:07

Most couples want to spend as much time together as they can. Even if they don't live together they tend to spend most evenings together and sleep over more often than once a week. It sounds like what he has is enough for him but it's no longer enough for you.

pocketsaviour · 23/02/2015 21:22

I have tried that already, and his he said he felt I was trying to 'cajole' him into the idea, so I'm now suitably mortified about bringing up the subject again.

OK. I think he has made it as clear as he possibly could (without being a dick) that he does not see himself as moving in with you, or marrying you, in the foreseeable future.

So now you have to decide if you're happy with the status quo - or if you want a partner who's more invested in creating a close family unit with you.

Not an easy decision either way.

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