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Family angst - am I expecting too much and / or over-thinking all this?

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youcanchooseyourfriends · 19/02/2015 12:42

Don't know where to start.

I'm mid-30s and I have one sister, who's much older than me. She has two grown up children who are married and one just had their first child, my sister's first grandchild.

My sister lives about 150 miles from our parents. I live 30 miles from them, having moved a couple of years ago after previously living a similar distance from them to my sister and much closer to her.

We didn't grow up together as she married young and moved away, so we don't have a typical sibling relationship. But I am constantly disappointed by her and her family, in terms of the level of contact we have with them, both electronic and physical, and the interest (or lack of) that they show towards us.

She is very wrapped up in her church. For most of the time she's been married, her husband has been a church vicar, and she has had all the commitments that go with that (hosting, catering, running toddler groups and school holiday kids clubs etc), while also working part-time once her kids were in school. She, her husband, her kids, their spouses and my parents all share a strong (evangelical) Christian faith. (I'm much less ardent, and am still deciding my views and faith, having been brought up in the faith they all share.) My sister is a teaching assistant. Her husband left his role as a vicar a few years ago and now works full-time as a school chaplain. I hoped, as did my parents, that they would be able to visit more often as a result, but they’ve got involved to a similar level at their new church. BIL spends almost all his spare time leading extra-curricular activities, doing lay preaching at the new church they attend and running youth groups, including weekends away. (My sister seems to have similar, weekend, church obligations, but it's never clear whether these are in her own right or as his wife?) The ongoing church commitments mean they're never able to visit us at weekends, or if they do, it's a flying visit, literally 1 night and less than 24 hours, into which they try to cram seeing both my parents, my BIL's parents, me and my family, an aunt, and a visit to their favourite retail park for them both and the gym for BIL. So, not exactly quality time, even if quantity is short, and they definitely have no time to help out in any way my elderly parents. And, of course, the only holiday they get is school holidays. Again, these get taken up with all manner of other things and they basically never have time to visit for more than 1 night in half term, the usual 24 hour visit, and maybe my sister will visit for 2 nights in the 6 weeks summer holiday, but only when my BIL’s away with a youth trip. They only ever arrange visits at the very last minute too. As for us visiting them, apart from them hosting a few Christmasses in recent years, we don’t really visit. They never seem to be available. My parents are currently unable to travel to them, as they used to, and that’s unlikely to change much as they get older.

My parents are elderly, my mum has long-term, progressive conditions which cause periods of serious ill health. My dad is her main carer but is himself struggling with arthritis. My parents feel that my sister couldn’t care less about their health situation. She does call to ask after my mum but seems not to appreciate the seriousness of her condition. She has turned down the opportunity to speak by phone to my mum’s consultant to understand better the condition and prognosis. As I live closer I’m going to see the consultant myself sometime over the next few weeks as I think it’ll help me stop worrying a bit and to know more what to expect and how I can best help.

I feel that my sister and my BIL and their kids do all kinds of do-gooding for their church flock and others they see as being in need, and admirable as that is, it would be nice if they gave a fraction of that time and concern to their own family.

My niece and nephew seem to follow the same mould. They’ve not even sent, whether by mobile message, or post, a photo of my parent’s new great grandson to them. He was born 3 weeks ago. They’re all over Instagram though. I’m not on Instagram but discovered that’s what my nieces use and that’s why they never seem to post much on Facebook. I know they’re Facetimed with relatives on the other side of the family too. I sent a gift to the baby before it was born, it wasn’t cheap and was really lovely. I’ve had texts since from them, when I asked for some more photos, but they’ve not even mentioned it…? When I do see them, they seem to be always on their phones, texting and on social media, yet they never comment or like anything I put on Facebook, even about my son, and their reply-rate to text messages is about 20%. Emails the same, and replies are very basic, even if I send a chatty, longer message initially. If I call my sister and she's not available, she doesn't call back, even if I leave a voicemail.

My niece and nephew also really upset me recently. I miscarried and confided in my sister as she’d experienced the same in the past, and she asked if you could make them both aware of what had happened. I said yes, thinking it would be good for them to be aware so they could act thoughtfully. I thought they might ask how I was, or send a card or even text. But I got nothing from either of them. My sister definitely told them, yet their response was to do nothing which really hurts. I won’t share things in future.

My sister shows little interest in my son, her only nephew. She’s not ever offered to come to visit for a few days and maybe to babysit an evening while here for me and DH to have a night out. My parents are unable to and my ILs live hours away , though visit way more than my sister does. We have no other family locally. She’ll no doubt be very involved with her grandchild though.

I keep wanting to ‘have it out’ with my sister (and nieces) but they’re prone to huffing and I don’t want to cause a big family row and cause my parents stress which will just make them more unwell. But I can’t help fast-forwarding to when my parents pass away (so morbid!) as I know I will be unable to keep quiet at that point if the situation hasn’t improved by then, though it’s unlikely to have done so. It hurts that their so uninterested and that we don’t have a proper relationship. I’ve no idea what to do about it, beyond causing a big bust up. And I've no idea WHY things are they way they are.

OP posts:
Interrobang · 19/02/2015 19:12

I think so much emphasis is placed on maintaining relationships with people we are related to, it can be a chore, a duty, an obligation, rather than a pleasure - would you CHOOSE to have your sister as a good friend, were she just some randomer you met? I have two brothers, I have nothing in common with either of them. We wouldn't be friends if we met as adults, I don't even like them, so I see no reason to have them in my life. It's a bit more complicated than that in that I have a toxic mother who I needed distance from, and they chose to side with her, but rather than feeling any upset at all about it, I just felt relieved. Free!

I think we see so much on TV and adverts etc of happy families, and it just isn't like that in real life for a great many of us.

So that would be it for me, re how to feel unobligated - change your mindset. You may be biologically related, but what does that really count for, when you are miles apart, don't have much in common, she plainly isn't interested in you and your child - I'd say sod this, forget it!

As for her obligations to your parents advancing years/deteriorating health, DO you know if there was some fallout or issues that make her want to keep her distance and feel like she doesn't owe them anything?
That potential issue aside, I personally definitely do NOT want my own DC feeling obliged to me in my old age - I want them off having fun, living their own lives, seeing to their children's needs. Perhaps she is of the same kind of mindset?

Butterworth · 19/02/2015 19:59

I'd agree with Interrobang's wise words - I think that the rose tinted happy extended family with lots of cosy get togethers probably is fairly rare and exists largely in the realm of Richard Curtis movies. Most families I know have some issues. We all think everyone else's families are sorted, but in reality, they aren't.

It sounds like you really could do with building yourself up, you're obviously carrying a lot on behalf of your poorly DM and are craving some comfort and warmth from those who know you. Perhaps focus on being kind to yourself for the time being and making time to make yourself happy. Focusing on what's not right with your familial relationships will only run you down. Do you have some close friends or a partner who you could confide all this to? Can you take a break from thinking about it for a while?

flora717 · 19/02/2015 22:41

I feel for you OP. I was involved in my local church and I found it very hard to maintain family relationships of any decent quality. I remember getting a 'where have you been?' Question from a member of the congregation (i had only voluntary "jobs" at the church midweek) as I'd had two weekends at family events. I shrugged and said 'family commitments'.
I was basically told that was 'one commitment' that I needed to reprioritise. This was CofE. It started a period (for me) of reevaluation. To me, religion is not compatible with family.
A lot of stuff about how disciples upped and left at the behest of Jesus' ministry. I guess that's what it is 'supposed' to be to many with faith.
I've since left that congregation (sadly) as I feel totally out of step with them as a community (that came at the time of much rage over fertility and miscarriage). Personally YANBU. I feel confused by people throwing themselves into their church family but having no time or space or energy left for loving and enjoying their own families.

Interrobang · 20/02/2015 15:19

Me, wise, ooh thanks, Butterworth!

Just a read around this board and it's rife with families who are at odds wth one another AND the view society has of us all being best buddies. Same for female friendships - it's not all SATC and Friends, by any stretch.

OP, do you think you can rework your views and hopes so that you can just be happy with doing your own thing, with your own child, and your chosen friends?

I laid off the religious angle, I have a lot of disgust at organised religion, but I agree with flora!

Hissy · 20/02/2015 16:56

I've had 3 MC and not one member of my family has ever given a monkey's about any of them, not a call, nor a text, nothing. I'm kind of stunned that there IS supposed to be some kind of reaction.

My super mega friend bought me an awesome gift and sent a card etc, to cheer me up, but i was utterly shocked she did.

By the sounds of it, your family are very far from being caring people, phase them out of your life and structure your support system without them.

stop caring so much, stop bothering and if they call you out on it, then tell them that you were following their lead.

I have a shit family, i don't bother with any of them much any more. My life is much the better for it.

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