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Worried I'm forcing children's dad out of their lives. Am I being unfair.

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Onmyownwith4kids · 17/02/2015 09:28

Discovered hisband's affair 18 months ago. I tried to save the marriage but he stepped up the deceit until I had no option but to divorce him. I've bought him out of the house so it's mine. All this time he's been living with his girlfriend at her parent's house. He never sees the children at holidays and weekends but often had them after school in my house while I'm at work. I hate having him swanning in and out. It makes it hard to move on. I suggested he set up home nearby so he could have the kids overnight sometimes and in his house at weekends. He said I was being controlling he'd do what he wanted and he's not paying rent. He's never been good with money and is swiftly getting through the house money he had. I can't see him ever setting up home. Yesterday I interviewed after school nannies. I found someone lovely to start in April and discovered although it will really put pressure on finances I can claim a lot through tax credits. The idea of him not coming back here all the time and every so often asking if I will take him back gives me huge relief but an I being selfish in pushing him out. The children seem really happy and I don't want to ruin that. They never ask to see him or talk about him but am I denying them the contact they have by doing this. Would be so grateful for advice.

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YellowTulips · 17/02/2015 20:05

I think you need to try and stop being upset and start getting angry.

Being upset implies you have had some responsibility for this situation.

Being angry is an emotional validation of the FACT that this circumstance is not of your making or yours to fix.

Change the locks (if he has a key) and tell him by email that the arrangements you have outlined are not negotiable.

He has no right of access to your home and a responsibly to provide a suitable place of contact with the kids in line with the levels of access you are happy to facilitate.

This guy doesn't want his cake...he wants the whole dessert trolley. Cocklodging with the GF's parents, spending his cash on boy's toys, evenings pretending to play Dad (aka watching TV) in the "family home", leaving you to do the actual parenting the buggering back to GF having watched his footy or whatever and had a relaxing evening.

His sense of entitlement is sickening.

todayiamfat · 17/02/2015 20:26

OP I am in a similar situation, but 2 kids and I am still in process of getting house signed over to me. All other details are the same. I have even had the same lines you have and the whining that he has no choice but to be here etc and I can't stop him seeing the kids etc.

I have very much decided to ignore it. I don't ever let his shit wind me up anymore. He chose to do what he did (the bastard sent me texts last week that were meant for her ) and he can bloody well deal with it. Mine is apparently 'homeless' when in reality he is sleeping at hers (well her stbxh's).

They are cocks. I never in a million years realised he was 'one of them' but looking back (like you) I feel liberated.

No other advice as the pp have said it perfectly. Just a bit of solidarity Wink

tribpot · 17/02/2015 20:27

You certainly won't ever be free of him whilst you're tolerating him coming and going from your home at will, providing childcare of a standard well below what a teenager might be able to offer.

He's never going to let you go easily because you're a mealticket for him (one of several he has on the go at once). He's playing on the fact you want this to be civilised, and to be liked, to make you back down.

Well fuck that. You need to stand up for yourself, if for no other reason than to show your children what happens to bullies.

TendonQueen · 17/02/2015 20:34

Amazing how people project, isn't it? He has made it all about him, him coming to see his kids with minimum effort, him getting the teenage life again, yet when you reasonably want him to sort himself out, it's all about you? Look in the mirror, mate! And it's beyond pathetic that someone buys themselves a daft car before bothering to get a place where their kids can come and visit them.

HowardTJMoon · 17/02/2015 20:57

He says he has a right to see the children in their home and if his kids are here he has a right to be here too.

I think the only realistic response to that is "If we both know that's a lie, it's not a very good lie, is it?"

Or, more seriously, a letter stating "Your phone call of Tue 17 Feb was aggressive and abusive. I have no obligation to continue letting you verbally abuse me in this way. Therefore all further correspondence between us, including that to organise regular contact between you and our children, will take place by email to [email protected] or by letter to my home address."

JenniferGovernment · 17/02/2015 21:15

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familyofthree2014 · 17/02/2015 22:13

He's being an arse because he ruined his life. You have to take control of this and stop allowing him to call the shots. You have said yourself how much better it is when he isn't there. Be firm, stay strong and don't let him see any weakness.

Love this by the way -

I feel sorry for his girlfriend. She thought she saved him from an awful marriage. The reality was she liberated me!

I'm going to hold on to that thought for myself, thank you. Grin

Onmyownwith4kids · 18/02/2015 09:33

Thank you all. It helps so much to see what you make of this. I live in such an exhausted state half the time it's hard to step back and gain perspective. I still have days where I feel like crying with the stress of four kids. A job where I don't get home till 7.30 in the evening and then him blaming me for how it's all turned out. I allowed the situation to continue as I thought he'd sort himself out. I keep putting myself in his situation and can't understand why he doesn't want his own home. He's obviously telling all sorts of tales there to continue with his rent free life. Him and her earn good money between them so I just don't understand it. Looking back I should have seen the red flags. When I met him one of the first things he did was ask to borrow money from me, he then moved in to my house.i was a fool not to see the signs. I'm still stunned he's fooled her parents. They knew he was married with children. I would want better for my daughter.

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telephone · 18/02/2015 09:45

If this divorce becomes acrimonious it's because of him not you. Get advice from a solicitor Asap and stick to your guns. you sound lovely OP he sounds like a knob.

GoldfishCrackers · 18/02/2015 11:15

He's got a right to be wherever his kids are? I'd like to see him sit down in school/nursery classroom /female changing rooms on the basis of that logic.

He doesn't want his own place because he's a child who'd rather spend his money on toys, and have someone else worry about yhe grownup stuff like cleaning and bills.

What a lucky escape, OP. You're knackered now, the children are at a very demanding age, and you're still grieving for the relationship you thought you had. It's really hard right now. But in a few short years you'll be soaring. And if this current gf is still around, the shine will have certainly gone off, and he'll still be wondering why everyone thinks he's a nob, and whining that it's not fair Grin

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