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What are the steps on the road to recovery after leaving an EA relationship?

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Mylifepart2 · 15/02/2015 00:40

Just separated (week 6) from STBXH after 30 years (20 years married x4 dc). He is a passive-aggressive man-child and an alcoholic passiveaggressiveabuse.wordpress.com/passive-aggressive-behavior/

The penny only dropped that this was EA in the last few months - even though I was in total despair in the relationship for large periods of time - I thought it was me being unreasonable/short tempered etc.

But I am well and truly over him - I now know what he is, now know that the relationship was toxic, abusive and dysfunctional.....but what do I now need to address for myself? - how do I recover emotionally? - what are the steps on the path to healing? I dont know what a "fixed me" looks like as we met at school and I had a very challenging childhood.

Are there obvious phases to get through/aim for to recover.

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Handywoman · 02/03/2015 08:21

Mylife the moment he stops coming to your house you will feel so much better. Try and make that happen as soon as possible. You owe it to yourself.

I think the most important piece of advice I can give is to expect some huge lows and emotional setbacks - they can't be avoided - it's a huge process to go through. I feel I am finally getting there after 20 months. I am beginning to feel indifference now. I've been in counselling for almost year.

AnyFucker · 02/03/2015 08:48

How about doing the Freedom Programme ?

you can do it online

Mylifepart2 · 02/03/2015 08:48

He continues to lie, evade and avoid - denied he has slept with her - but I snatched his phone and read a text from this morning from her " missing you in my bed already"

I had hoped that he would leave starting a new relationship until we had settle the kids. But whilst I have been so accommodating here every night etc/cooking for him -- he has been untruthful and has been sloping off every night to someone's bed - whilst I am riven with guilt that I was the one who called time on the marriage.

So now will resume standard access. Every other weekend (daytime) at his premises - is that being really unfair on the kids?

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DeliciousMonster · 02/03/2015 08:56

No - it is not unfair! You do not want him at your house. Perhaps give them an evening in between as well as EOW.

Why just daytime at his premises?

Handywoman · 02/03/2015 10:07

When these inept men take off with another woman hours after the end of a marriage, it shows how little potential they have for reflection, growth and change. It shows (as if proof were needed) that when it comes to the stability and emotional wellbeing of your dc, you are truly on your own - no more 'illusions' of a family life.

Keep him out of your house now, Mylife. Start connecting with your needs and construct boundaries from those. The responsibility for his relationship with his dc needs to fall to him now. No. More. Wifework.

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yougotafriend · 02/03/2015 10:40

Mylife what a horrendous situation - if anything, you have been too accommodating. Yes you took the decision to end the marriage but that decision was taken as a consequences of his behaviour - you have nothing to feel guilty about.

Keep him out of your house - stop cooking for him/looking after him. In his head he will see this as a sign you are still under his control - time to let him know it YOU who's in charge of YOUR life now.

Certainly the teenagers are able to make arrangments for contact directly with him - you don't really need to facilitate that at all, I appreciate it's a little different for the 8yr old tho.

You have taken a massive step, so be kind to yourself, there's bound to be huge variations in emotions int eh coming weeks, that's to be expected. Good Luck Flowers

Mylifepart2 · 05/03/2015 12:00

This is such a twisted journey. I have spent every waking moment since Jan 10 consumed with guilt for calling time on the marriage for my kids and even for him as I am a compassionate person.

All I ever did was try, and try, and try, to make the marriage work - so much so, I can see now, a very unhealthy level making myself physically and mentally ill for many years. He was impossible to get to leave the begging, pleading, crying, declarations of undying love, promising to change it has taken me years and years to get to this point as I have always given in.

I thought that the last 7 weeks were my darkest days but I had worked really hard with herculean effort, to keep it going, see it through and process the guilt which consumed me and had been taking tiny steps to build a new life for my x 4dc children each day. We were all slowly getting through it. I knew I had made the right decision. And the advice on this thread and others on MN pulled me through.

I had been making progress emotionally until I stumbled on the relationship. It has plummeted down such a deep dark hole I wonder if I can get out of it.

I dont know why I have taken this so badly and it has wiped me out, as i do not want him back - but I am raging that whilst I have been walking that exhausting tight-rope in the first days and weeks of being a single parent with x4DC who gave me untold grief (including DV, now sorted) for calling time on Disney Dad .... and he has been weeping, wailing and bleating out his one-sided victim story to F&F -- at the same time had got launched on Match.com and hooked up with some lady within 24hrs.....!!! They have fallen truly madly and deeply in love he has been out wining and dining her for the last 6 weeks, in full view of our F&F (nobody told me) - he is part of her social circle, introduced to family etc as the BF - stayed most nights with her and her children and is moving in together this weekend to "build a new life with someone I want to spend the rest of my life with".

My poor kids who are traumatised by the breakup are now inflicted with having to cope with their Dad moving to a new county with a new family - and I have to agree access??

Am I unreasonable to have expected a respectful duration of time before he did this (more than 24hrs) - so that we could co-parent our children with 100% compassion and focus through their darkest days??

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yougotafriend · 05/03/2015 12:14

YANBU - however, given his behaviour throughout your marriage it was perhaps unrealisitc to expect him to be anything other than totally selfish throughout the break up too.

You need to start focussing on you a bit more - yes you need to be there to support your children through this difficult time (not neccesarily "darkest days" though), but you also need to afford yourself the same degree of support.

All he has done is find another victim, more fool her!

Mylifepart2 · 05/03/2015 13:40

Thanks yougotoafriend - yes I give too much of myself and dont leave enough for me - which is not sustainable and why maybe I feel so flattened by this recent situation - running on empty. I need to be more responsible and take care of my self. I am also too niaive or optimistic - when I told my Relate counsellor yesterday - she said she could have seen that coming fits his profile. I really thought he would have prioritised what the children were going through over the past 7 weeks stupid me expecting anything but selfishness....within 24 hrs he was hooked up with someone else....nad has had a ball by the sounds of it....ho hum

AF - yes I need to do the freedom programme as just found this and it is word for word my experience over the last 30 years (add in alcoholic and passive aggressive just for good measure...)....but I know that I need to work on my co-dep thats why I keep getting sucked in.

THE WATER TORTURER [Lundy Bancroft, Why Does He Do That?]

The Water Torturer's style proves that anger doesn't cause abuse. He can assault his partner psychologically without even raising his voice. He tends to stay calm in arguments, using his own evenness as a weapon to push her over the edge. He often has a superior or contemptuous grin on his face, smug and self-assured. He uses a repertoire of aggressive conversational tactics at low volume, including sarcasm, derision—such as openly laughing at her—mimicking her voice, and cruel, cutting remarks. Like Mr. Right, he tends to take things she has said and twist them beyond recognition to make her appear absurd, perhaps especially in front of other people. He gets to his partner through a slow but steady stream of low-level emotional assaults, and perhaps occasional shoves or other minor acts of violence that don't generally cause visible injury but may do great psychological harm. He is relentless in his quiet derision and meanness.

The impact on a woman of all these subtle tactics is that either her blood temperature rises to a boil or she feels stupid and inferior, or some combination of the two. In an argument, she may end up yelling in frustration, leaving the room crying, or sinking into silence. The Water Torturer then says, See, you're the abusive one, not me. You're the one who's yelling and refusing to talk things out rationally. I wasn't even raising my voice. It's impossible to reason with you.

The psychological effects of living with the Water Torturer can be severe. His tactics can be difficult to identify, so they sink in deeply. Women can find it difficult not to blame themselves for their reactions to what their partner does if they don't even know what to call it. When someone slaps you in the face, you know you've been slapped. But when a woman feels psychologically assaulted, with little idea why, after an argument with The Water Torturer, she may turn her frustration inward. How do you seek support from a friend, for example, when you don't know how to describe what is going wrong?

The Water Torturer tends to genuinely believe that there is nothing unusual about his behavior. When his partner starts to confront him with his abusiveness—which she usually does sooner or later—he looks at her as if she were crazy and says, What the hell are you talking about? I've never done anything to you. Friends and relatives who have witnessed the couple's interactions may back him up. They shake their heads and say to each other, I don't know what goes on with her. She just explodes at him sometimes, and he's so low-key. Their children can develop the impression that Mom blows up over nothing. She herself may start to wonder if there is something psychologically wrong with her.

The Water Torturer is payback-oriented like most abusive men, but he may hide it better. If he is physically abusive, his violence may take the form of cold-hearted slaps for your own good or to get you to wake up rather than explosive rage. His moves appear carefully thought out, and he rarely makes obvious mistakes—such as letting his abusiveness show in public—that could turn other people against him or get him in legal trouble.

If you are involved with a Water Torturer, you may struggle for years trying to figure out what is happening. You may feel that you overreact to his behavior and that he isn't really so bad. But the effects of his control and contempt have crept up on you over the years. If you finally leave him, you may experience intense periods of delayed rage, as you become conscious of how quietly but deathly oppressive he was.

This style of man rarely lasts long in an abuser program unless he has a court order. He is so accustomed to having complete success with his tactics that he can't tolerate an environment where the counselors recognize and name his maneuvers and don't let him get away with them. He tends to rapidly decide that his group leaders are as crazy as his partner and heads for the door.

The central attitudes driving the Water Torturer are:

• You are crazy. You fly off the handle over nothing.

• I can easily convince other people that you're the one who is messed up.

• As long as I'm calm, you can't call anything I do abusive, no matter how cruel.

• I know exactly how to get under your skin.

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