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When the person you are caring for turns on you

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yolofish · 12/02/2015 21:53

Sorry, this is long and if you get to the end, thank you.

My mother is 84, lives a 90 second walk from us and for the last 12 months has been pretty unwell in one way or another. Having said that, she still has all her marbles, can drive (dear god), goes shopping when she wants, goes to social groups twice a week, has friends on the end of the phone or via her internet forum. She has me and my two DD who visit her most days, and my brother and SIL come and see her every 2 months or so from 250 miles away.

I have done my best; when she was very ill sorted her out with hospital admissions, tests, drove her to appts etc; when she came out of hospital I stayed at her house every night til she felt safe to be alone again. organised help through the local NHS team (forget what they're called, but they do assessments, arrange physio, etc etc). I also complained on her behalf to the GP practice about some appalling treatment, so she is now fast tracked every time she calls them. Ongoing, I take her to medical things if she wants me to, going into the appt so she has someone else to help translate because of her deafness. I've also provided daily emotional support and whatever other practical support is needed. I dont think I've ever been anything less than helpful - although by her standards I am not sympathetic enough. This is because I am very practical, so she will give me a problem and I will try and find a solution rather than just let her wallow in it. I work, by the way, and we live rurally so also do a lot ferrying teenagers about most days.

But, she has turned on me, starting to be very vicious, all due to the fact that she once asked why DH no longer talks to her and I said he found her deafness very hard to deal with. She has taken huge huge umbrage and it all came out last Saturday while discussing something else. I havent seen her since then but have been in touch via email and phone msg (very happy to say I havent actually spoken to her though).

There are too many boring details to go into, but effectively she has said horrible things about DH (who holds the household together while I care for her) and what she says to me is.... a master of the passive aggressive, combined with martyrdom, an attempt to induce guilt in me, accusing me of being spendthrift while she is a poor old widow woman (who lives of more per month than the 4 of us do), she is very entitled but thinks she is not a snob because she can talk to anyone (think officer's wife), can be extremely manipulative because she "only wants to help" oh god I could go on.

I get that she is frightened, hurt and angry, in pain, losing her independence etc but she is being so vicious that I think she has backed herself into a corner and is now in cutting nose off to spite face mode. I've never thought of myself as a true candidate for stately homes, but I'm beginning to wonder.

Not sure what I'm asking really, maybe if matricide is really an option? But if you got this far and have dealt with similar, thank you for reading - even writing it down helps.

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CogitoErgoSometimes · 12/02/2015 21:59

Matricide definitely. Alternatively you go the 'if you don't stop being such a ungrateful, old bat, you're going to be spending a lot of time on your own..... so how about saying sorry and playing nicely' route. I think the stroppy 70 year old and the stroppy toddler have a huge amount in common. Just a pet theory.

yolofish · 12/02/2015 22:16

cogito I have tried that (not the matricide obvs - yet) but perhaps I am being too subtle. eg I have said "the more you criticise DH the harder it is for me to suport you". she is now retreating into "whatever you want me to apologise for I'll apologise for" and then justifying her appalling behaviour all the same and combining her supposed apology with a nasty little dig.

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CogitoErgoSometimes · 12/02/2015 22:28

Then pick up your mobile and say loudly.... 'Hello? Is that the Vatican? Are you short of a martyr?' :)

Or just agree with her.

Rebecca2014 · 12/02/2015 22:32

I would be offended if my daughter husband stopped talking to me because I was hard of hearing, it is rude. My daughter deaf in one ear, should people give up on her because she finds it hard in certain situations.

Heyho111 · 12/02/2015 23:00

I agree with Rebecca. But I also feel you should say something to her. Like have a line that when she is nasty say 'oh that's a bit mean' then say nothing. If she continues say the line again. The art is is not to say anything else whilst in grumpy mode. When she talks nice you talk away too like it never happened.
But I would also ask your husband to talk to her again.

ShiaLeBeoufsBathTowel · 13/02/2015 03:01

My father in law is a very difficult man and has never been nice to me. I deal with it by simply viewing him as a slightly nutty old guy and just smile and nod, and reset the clock every time he goes off on one.

I would talk to your hisband about the deafness, though. That's not fair, and there are lots of websites he can understand about deaf awareness.

Weebirdie · 13/02/2015 07:04

Yes, it seems not nice at all that your DH stopped talking to her because of her deafness but I believe its a very common thing that happens to people thus leading to isolation and loneliness.

www.actiononhearingloss.org.uk/your-hearing/about-deafness-and-hearing-loss/deafness/myths-about-deafness.aspx

Dutchoma · 13/02/2015 07:47

You talk about going to her house, does she also come to your house? Sunday lunch or similar? Or does it all have to come from you?

yolofish · 13/02/2015 09:12

I should clarify about the deafness/DH not talking to her thing. When he sees her it is here, at our house, usually for Sunday lunch about once a month. More often, eg when my brother etc visit I always invite them all over for supper so she can have all her family together and its one meal she doesnt have to think about (although of course she can hear even less when there are 10 of us with age ranges from 84 to 2yrs old!)

So on a 'normal' visit there are 5 people and 2 dogs milling about, and he is usually cooking with accompanying oven noises etc. She finds any more than one voice at a time very hard, she cant strip the other noises away iyswim. Hence I visit her - and its more comfortable for her, her mobility is limited.

So he will ask her something or offer her a drink, and she cant hear what he's said, so he asks her again and she gets cross because she thinks he's impatient. Or she will ask him something, and not be able to hear the answer so she thinks he's not talking to her. When she's here we dont have any music on or anything, and we try to talk to her 'nicely' ie facing her directly, trying not to all talk at once so she can join in. However with the best will in the world, family lunches after a while do tend to turn into everyone talking at once, laughing, setting the world to rights etc.

He offered last night while discussing the current debacle to go and see her on his own to see if he can straighten things out. I think that's incredibly brave of him because she can be really nasty or pull the 'poor little old me' card. She can also be great company and very funny, so she's not all bad.

I might try cogito s Vatican Martyr line when things have blown over as it would probably make her laugh but make the point more subtly. She was born and brought up RC and boy has Catholic guilt got a lot to answer for, although she feels it less than she tries to use it. Luckily for me, I have that particular gene missing.

In the meantime I am inclined to email her again and say something along the lines of "look, this is getting us nowhere. why dont we draw a line under it all and try and be nice to each other?" I dont want to speak to her or see her until we've reached that kind of stage. I'm a bit of a chicken, obviously, but from previous experience I dont want to be either on the receiving end of vicious remarks, or have to be the shoulder to cry on while secretly resenting it.

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yolofish · 13/02/2015 09:17

I will also try heyhos approach as well, as the positive attention approach seems to have worked on the kids and the dog!

Thanks for just letting me think aloud - I do understand PPs comments about the rudeness, and the isolation that deafness brings with it. He definitely doesnt mean to be rude, and he is horrified at the way she has made it all about him. But of course from her perspective, its easier to pin it on the son in law you dont see than the daughter who you do see and without whose help you would struggle much much more. Hmmm, I need to think about that one.

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jasper · 13/02/2015 09:18

does she have early stage demetia do you think?

Joysmum · 13/02/2015 09:24

We have the same problem with my grandad. If asking if he wants a drink I accompany with a mime.

We have 2 reception rims and grandad goes into the living room and we all go in the family room and he's always got one or 2 people who go in to chat with him and then when they come out the next go in.

yolofish · 13/02/2015 09:24

pretty sure not jasper. she sometimes gets a bit forgetful but just like any of us do.

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jasper · 13/02/2015 17:18

I only ask because my lovely uncle has Alzheimer's and one if the first things was he started being horrible to my aunt. ( whom he loved dearly ) .
at the end he started attacking her physically

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