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Friend getting cosy with my ex…AIBU?

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AmonRa1 · 09/02/2015 09:50

I was seeing my ex, casually, on and off since 2009. It ended for good last year when I finally woke up, got some self-respect and ditched him. I did love him though, a lot, would’ve done anything for him and I think a small part of me will always have a soft spot for him but he treated me appallingly and meeting my now OH has totally shown me what a real, loving relationship SHOULD be like.

Anyway, when I first got with my OH, ex couldn’t stand it and was literally bombarding me with texts/phone calls/whatsapps etc begging me to give him another chance, he realised he’d been an idiot, I was the girl he wanted to marry, blah, blah, blah. I stopped responding and so he started messaging one of my close friends asking her to speak to me, to tell me he’s sorry, get me to ‘see sense’ (arrogant so and so) blah, blah.

Ex and I do share some of the same friends, although, tbh, to me, they are more like acquaintances. The past couple of months, my friends and I have been out on a Saturday night and have bumped into him due to him and us all being with the same people, in the same pubs/ bars etc. He and I have been fine, we have a drink and a chat but that’s it.

ANYWAY, my close friend that he started messaging that time, asking her to speak to me on his behalf, told me the other week that he had messaged her on FB after she had ‘checked in’ at his local pub on FB asking why she didn’t tell him she was there as he would’ve gone down and had a drink with her?! She said it very blaze, like that was a completely normal thing for him to do. I wanted to ask why he was messaging her and did she message him back but just kept schtum.

He has told me before in passing that he thinks she’s ‘fit’ (she is) and he is stupidly handsome and the majority of females aren’t exactly immune to his charm!

A few weeks ago she ‘checked in’ again at his local pub on FB (which is a bit weird as it’s nowhere near where she lives but she has recently palled up with a girl who lives near him and that is her local too, so fair enough) and when I saw it, I wondered whether he’d be messaging her again or whether the ‘check in’ was for his benefit as she very rarely uses FB/ does check in’s etc so it’s a bit odd. She’s also started to get a bit obsessed with hanging around with the same people as him, so those acquaintances that I mentioned in my 3rd paragraph, if we are out she is constantly saying ‘Let’s text so and so and see what they’re doing and where they are.’ Or she’ll text me before the weekend saying ‘So and so are going to be at the rugby club on Sat, shall we go and watch the match and go out with them after?’ I’m really not bothered to be honest as the majority of them irritate me and she has never been bothered about them or ever wanted to give them the time of day before?

ANYWAY, I haven’t seen her for a couple of weeks as I’ve been on holiday and work has been manic. She came over last night and in the middle of a conversation, casually managed to drop in how ‘A couple of weeks ago her and XXX (her friend) were down his local again and my ex came down to meet them and they all got really drunk and he invited them both back to his to stay the night, which they did…..in the spare room.’

At the time, I felt like she’d slapped me but I acted nonchalant and didn’t say anything, however when she left, I felt really upset. My OH noticed and asked what was up and so I told him and his first words were ‘Well that’s a bit off to be honest as she doesn’t even know him, only through you and even that’s not very well and why do you need to know that she’s getting drunk with him and staying around his house?’

And that’s exactly how I feel. I KNOW I am with someone else, him and I are history so it shouldn’t matter but this man was my utter world for a very long time. She is one of my best friends and in general, is a BRILLIANT friend. I just can’t help but think something is going on somewhere. They don’t know each other from Adam, apart from through me and I only really introduced them to each other in the last few months of him and I’s relationship, so that is only about a year ago. In that time they’ve probably met a handful of times when we’ve bumped into him out and about. She ‘dislikes’ him (like the rest of my friends) for how he treated me whilst we were together etc. Although obviously not, because she’s now getting drunk with him and staying over at his house.

He doesn’t do female ‘friends’ he only gives someone the time of day if he finds them attractive (shallow git) so I know his intentions would not have been honourable. I just don’t get how she thought I was going to react, am I expected to be doing cartwheels that one of my best friends is now spending time with my ex and staying over at his house? If they were friends before then that would be different, but they don’t know each other at all?

I feel like I need to speak to her about it and say that if anything were to happen there, I’m sorry, but I could not forgive her. Out of all the men in the world that is the ONE man that I couldn’t forgive one of my friends for going behind my back with and I shouldn’t even have to say that as she should know. Also, I have spoken to her every day in the past 2 weeks and not once has she mentioned that she stayed over at his. I have also spoken to him too a few times as his dog (who was my world when we were together) had a fit, fell down the stairs and ended up at the vets very ill. He was devastated and just wanted to talk to someone I think and I am the only other person who loves her like he does. Not once did he mention it either yet if I had stayed around her exes’ house or had his best friend randomly stay over at mine, I think I’d have mentioned it!

Irrespective of anything else, he is bad news. She is younger than me and without meaning to be patronising, quite naïve when it comes to relationships and men. She would get SO hurt, just like I did, just like all his ex’s have, hence why he’s 36 and on his own!

Should I speak to her do you think?

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SweetsForMySweet · 09/02/2015 11:04

He could be using your friend to make you jealous. I would drop it before you ruin your own relationship and your boyfriend starts to feel second best. Your friend already knows how your ex treated you so there's no point telling her again, it would make you sound jealous/bitter and she may dig her heels in about meeting him just to make a point.

AnyFucker · 09/02/2015 11:05

the most "drama" is detailed, in every painful word, in the OP

bitofanoddone · 09/02/2015 11:07

Your friend is not betraying you, btw. As hard as that is to accept, he is single and she is single. They are not betraying you. They are allowed to fancy each other. You need to look at why you are so jealous.

And i say that as someone who knows two sisters who dated the same man, with the second relationship ending in a very happy marriage.

AnyFucker · 09/02/2015 11:14

I know a pair of couples that swopped partners and they lived happily ever after, remaining friends.

PeppermintPasty · 09/02/2015 11:25

You are only bothered because you are not over him, I promise you that is the reason, even though I don't know you. You are far too vested in this, step back and see it for what it is, else you may risk your current relationship and/or make yourself very very unhappy indeed.

I had a long relationship with a man who treated me appallingly. Many years ago, we 'broke up', and I was like you are now, monitoring everything, overthinking it, seeking justification everywhere for my obsession. We yo-yoed back and forth and he treated me like even more shit!

Fast forward a few years, still together, two dc and innumerable shitty episodes in between, and I dumped him. I have never ever given any girlfriends of his a second thought. All I do is hug myself with glee that I am free.

I know the feelings you are feeling, they will gnaw away at you. Do yourself and your dp a favour, concentrate on yourselves and he will gradually fade away. He's a shit anyway! Come on woman!

Norest · 09/02/2015 11:25

Have you considered your reaction might be that your friend having a romantic interest in your ex is somehow her saying in an indirect sort of way that his treatment of you was 'ok'? As in if she finds him an acceptable romantic prospect, even after she has (presumably) held your hand and heard you crying about how much he hurt you and the bad way you feel you were treated? Thereby maybe somehow invalidating your experiences?

Are you worried you will lose her as a friend because she will somehow 'take his side', and that by being with him romantically you will lose your status as the mistreated ex amongst your close friends?

Is there anything in the idea that you might have been enjoying him wanting you back and having the power to turn him down? (Would be perfectly natural considering if you felt he gave you the runaround for a long time.) Power you would lose if he got together with someone else? You say you would be ok if it was not a close friend..even that you introduced him to a friend of a friend..but wasn't that still having an element of control over who he ended up seeing?

This is something happening without your say so, and is not within your control (nor should it be!). Do you think that is contributing towards your feelings as well?

Is there any chance part of you was keeping hold of the idea he might change or one day you might get back together? Still holding some kind of flame? And you are fearful your friend will get that relationship with him, and not you?

just a few questions..some may be way off the mark. But I do think there could be more at play here than simple sour grapes or jealousy.

As for those shouting 'DRAMA', well yea it looks like 'petty' drama to you, but for the person going through it it feels very real. Whether it is 'drama' or not, just shouting the word like an insult with an attitude of 'therefore get over it. The end' actually does very little to help the person figure out why they are having such a strong reaction.

Some groups are wired for more dramatic type interactions. It's up to those people to figure that out and find out why things are so soap-opera-y, and what they can do to understand and reduce the behaviour. That's actually a hard process and it's difficult to admit you have got a tendency towards getting into 'drama' situations. It requires a lot of soul-searching and looking at yourself in the mirror. It can be very painful and give the person a feeling of shame. Which is compounded by the dismissive 'drama' insult.

PeppermintPasty · 09/02/2015 11:29

Well, to be fair, it was the op who first mentioned drama.

ishouldntsaybut · 09/02/2015 11:30

It's great that you are happy with your new man, and in an ideal world your friend would not be attracted to your ex, however you seem to be able to get along with him now but want her to continue her 'dislike' for him...

You expect her to have nothing to do with him as he treated you so awfully but you are having long sympathetic chats about his poorly dog.

You are happy to set him up with a friend of a friend, but she should know better.

If you want to keep your friend, let her see anyone she wants, even him. Give her your blessing and tell her you are worried for her because you don't want him treating her the way he treated you. Then if or when it all goes wrong help her pick up the pieces.

Thats what friendship is, supporting your friend whether you agree with her actions or not.

I get you are over him and now you have to start making your actions show that as well as your words before you lose your friend and your OH.

AnyFucker · 09/02/2015 11:37

Oh, I dunno. I grew pout of all this crap when I left my teenage years behind. OP is stalking this bloke. God knows what her current partner thinks about it.

DonkeysDontRideBicycles · 09/02/2015 11:40

You broke up with him in 2014 and now you're happy with your current partner. She didn't pal up with ex during your relationship so there's no question she was hanging around hopefully in the background waiting to pick up where you left off. You feel they're not being open to you about each other, maybe there's not much to tell, maybe they don't feel they need to run this by you.

Why when she's in your own words, such a brilliant friend, would you tell her you couldn't forgive her if she and ex start seeing each other. She's either going to find out what sort of poor partner he can be or he may treat her very differently.

Twinklestein · 09/02/2015 13:12

I'm married now but I didn't and wouldn't hook up with a close friend's ex.
I had the same rule with my sister. So I understand why you're upset.

However from your friend's pov, leaving aside for the moment that he sounds a cad, if she were to end up with him and really happy, that is potentially worth letting a friendship go over if it came to it.

Of course, he will likely fuck her over just as much as he did you, but she doesn't know that yet, so you'll have to let her find that out for herself.

Once you have fully moved on and are in a new relationship you don't get first dibs on all your exes, you have to accept that.

Oh and delete your FB account.

Pandora37 · 09/02/2015 13:27

I don't understand why you'd set him up with a friend of a friend if he's that bad? I don't think this has got much to do with his potential poor treatment of your friend than it is with jealousy. Which I don't think means you aren't over him, I would probably also be upset if a close friend went out with an ex when you haven't been split up for that long really. I think over time when the horrible feelings around that relationship have completely faded (and IMO this process can take years so I'm not saying it means you still have feelings for him) it wouldn't bother you so much. It sounds like you're still quite involved in his life as you're bumping into him and going for drinks which I'm not convinced is a good idea. I think putting some more distance between you would be a good thing.

I'm afraid you do come across as being overly invested in your OP. Noticing that she's gone to his local pub a few times, well why does it matter? I'm not sure what you'd have to gain from speaking to her - I don't think telling an adult who they can and can't see will have much impact. Don't get me wrong, I can completely understand why it bothers you but I personally wouldn't get involved. If you feel that strongly about it, I think you're going to have to be prepared to lose the friendship over this unfortunately.

TaliZorahVasNormandy · 09/02/2015 13:43

Is this some kind of game your ex has designed to see if your jealous and then if you are, he'll jump in all sorry and then he'll dump this girl to have you back?

Just delete the fucking lot of them and move on.

WannaBe · 09/02/2015 13:46

so you tried to set your ex up with a friend of a friend even though you say that he treats women like shit? So it would be ok for him to treat a friend of a friend like crap in fact you were happy to facilitate this by setting them up yet you don't want him doing that to your friend?

Come on op,you're not being honest with yourself here. If he was as bad as you say then you wouldn't be party to anyone being involved with him but that's not how it is, is it?

Fact is you just don't want your friend being involved with him because you're not actually over him.

If my dp came home and was telling me how angry he was that his ex was getting together with a friend and how they hadn't told him then I would be incredibly hurt and actually start to doubt his feelings for me and would question our relationship.

AmonRa1 · 09/02/2015 14:01

Okay, you know what, I asked for advice on whether I was being unreasonable and whether I should speak to her.

The majority have said, yes, I am totally out of line and not to say anything so fair enough, fine.

With regards to the accusations I am not over him, I cannot tell you how untrue that is. I have clapped with glee many a time about how I’m so glad I’ve found someone who TRULY loves me and how I pity the poor cow he ends up with in future because her life honestly will be miserable, he will cheat on her numerous times just like he did with me and all of his exes. That is just what he is like. I love my friend, very much, despite how it may seem in this post. I want her to be happy and y’know what if that is with my ex then fine. But yes, I think I may be willing to lose this friendship over this. I am well aware I have absolutely no right to dictate to people who they can and can’t see, it is not about that, it is about the fact that I just would NOT do that to a friend, I just wouldn’t go there, it’s not worth the hassle and the aggro. She has sat and mopped my tears SO many times over that man, she is also well aware of what happened between him and his other ex before (the same thing that happened with him and I) so she knows he’s lied and cheated to more than one person. Is that really worth throwing away our friendship over?
And to the person who said if he is so bad why set him up with a friend of a friend, my friend texted me saying that a work colleague of hers had received a message from him on FB asking her out for a drink. She knew he was my ex and said ‘What is he really like as I have heard some rumours about him over the years.’ I said ‘Whatever you have heard is all probably true but I would let your friend go for a drink with him and find out for herself, here is his number.’ So I wouldn’t exactly say I sung his praises.

I’m sorry the majority would be fine with their best friend and their recent ex getting together, but I am not. It doesn’t just apply to this friend and ex, any of my friends and any ex that I was in a LTR with I would think the same because I just wouldn’t do it. There are so many people in the world. It’s not like they even really get on, she’s always told me she finds him really hard to get conversation out of, he is!

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AnyFucker · 09/02/2015 14:04

Nobody has said they would be "fine" with their ex and BF getting together. I guess you will read what you want from this thread.

Methinks you are protesting too much. What does your current partner think about all this. You haven't mentioned him much. Does he know you follow your ex's movements ?

Rebecca2014 · 09/02/2015 14:07

Op most people in your situation wouldn't be happy if their friend went off with an ex. But you need cut all contact with him, the whole situation sounds childish. He is most likely using her to get at you, look he is winning.

AmonRa1 · 09/02/2015 14:07

Where are you getting that I am following my exs movements???? I only know he was present at the pub because my friend told me, I only know she was present at the pub because she checked herself in. I happened to be online and it appeared on my newsfeed??? Surely that happens to other people on their FBs too or am I the only person with a newsfeed??? Hardly CSI is it!

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AnyFucker · 09/02/2015 14:11

err, read your OP again

it goes into minute detail about all these manoevres, he said/she said/so I said blah blah

you are either very young or have very little self awareness. I hope it doesn't mess up your new relationship.

pictish · 09/02/2015 14:12

No it's not. I do sympathise with you.

Twinklestein · 09/02/2015 14:12

Is that really worth throwing away our friendship over?

You don't actually know there's anything going on, but if there is either a) she doesn't know it would be a dealbreaker or b) she doesn't care.

Some women can be extremely self-deceiving when a good looking man spins them a line. She's special, she's different blah blah.

I don't think you're out of line to talk to her about it btw, but it's bit difficult to do so now without letting on that you've been stalking the pair of them.

WannaBe · 09/02/2015 14:20

the thing is though op, the dynamic between you and your ex points to you still being friends, so friend not considering that them getting together might be an issue.

E.g. if you had split and had no more contact it might be considered less ok to be getting friendly. But the fact you are amicable, will have a drink together, will be there for him in a crisis etc points to you still being friends, and if you're friends then him remaining a part of your social circle is more acceptable than if you'd split on bad terms. esp as you now have a new dp.

AmonRa1 · 09/02/2015 14:25

Of course it goes into detail, it doesn't mean I am tracking his every movement. If you read my OP you will see that everything I 'know' is just stuff that my friend has told me, she has offered me the information, there is a difference between that and me going off in search for it.

My OH is fine, he knows everything, he had the opportunity last night to say if there was a problem and he didn't. I think he's pretty secure re our relationship and my love for him so that is all that matters

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shovetheholly · 09/02/2015 14:46

Wait - you were together with your ex until 2009 - that's SIX YEARS AGO! I can't believe this is still even an issue for you. I think you seriously need to look at why this bothers you - it is very controlling behaviour and does suggest, as PPs have said, that you're not over him properly.

If you ditch a really brilliant friend over something so trivial, you are an idiot! I understand that you might also want to warn her against him, but really, the best you can do is to say 'Look, he wasn't that nice to me, but maybe it'll be different with you. Whatever, I'm here for you!' People need to make their own mistakes, because every situation is different.

AmonRa1 · 09/02/2015 14:47

Errr no, not sure if my OP reads right but I was seeing him, on and off FROM 2009- 2014

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