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Not sure if I'm catasptrophising or not

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maryclarey · 07/02/2015 13:57

A week ago DP and I were having dinner at his friends place. We were talking about our future plans to move to the "burbs", save for a house etc. DP and his friends are about 7/8+ years older than me (I'm approaching mid thirties) and are mostly already married with kids save for DP and one other who is single. During the conversation, DP said something like, "well now that most of [our groups] weddings are done..." at which point his friend interjected and said "Most! Well that sounds promising, that's progress for you!" in a half joking manner, because he has had a sort of reputation I suppose, for not having a relationship that has made it this far before. Anyway, DP then said "well we have to buy a house first!" And then the conversation moved on.

All fine, except we are at least two to three years from being in that position, and what he said has sort of thrown me because I guess I figured we would marry first, not least because after a few beers (I know I know) one night last summer he proclaimed he wanted to marry me and would get me a ring when he had his bonus (which he got at Christmas by the way) and now I wonder if he is stalling. We are doing fine as a couple otherwise, we are both at the stage of our lives of wanting to settle down and we get along well living together, love each other, want to have kids, all that stuff. Although we are both a bit reluctant to leave the city with live in and all its conveniences for life in a smaller town, we talk about how the benefits will outweigh the perceived negatives too. He is a good partner, messy and annoying at times but then so am I! We are a good fit and I guess I'm keen to get going on our lives together, we are not spring chickens after all, but I don't put any pressure on the him or anything, as I don't want to force anyone into anything they are not comfortable with.

My main problem is my last relationship I waited far too long (7 years) for someone who didn't want to marry me at all and it was so painful extricating myself from that. I don't want to get in that situation again, especially as I'm older now. I don't want to be late thirties before I realise I've done it again, you know? BUT, I am prone to catastrophising things, so am I over reacting? When I compare this relationship with the last one, it's not the same at all (ex couldn't even have a conversation about the possibility of marriage/kids). I had CBT before and during the end of the last relationship so I know I might be over reacting now and protecting myself by imagining the worst possible outcome but DP does have form for arriving at decisions without much discussion so I am somewhat concerned. Not in a nasty way I hasten to add, but he is used to just making decisions and isn't much of a talker when it comes to getting himself comfortable with some change in his life. An example would be when, a few months into our relationship, he out of the blue called me his gf without any discussion. Which was fine by me, but it's a funny way to ask/tell someone you're serious about the relationship I feel, although I was happy about it! It's like he has to get comfortable with things in his own head or something and then decision made, it just is, it doesn't need an announcement or anything. I'm not explaining this very well! I hope that makes some sense. Does anyone have any insight they can offer? My brain is mush and yours probably is too if you've read this epic post!

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CrazyBaubles · 07/02/2015 18:15

I think one simple conversation could clear this up, and I definately wouldn't pay any attention to what he said to friends. When me and DH were actually planning the wedding his single friend made a joke about him being tied down and he replied along the lines of - I have to marry her, she won't let me back out. I was annoyed at the time but it meant nothing - that friend in particular is not a fan of settled married life and made digs often. dh said that agreeing just deflected the conversation from all the reasons being unmarried was better. Your DP probably just doesn't want to have that conversation with his friends - that's for the 2 of you.

tumbletumble · 07/02/2015 18:22

I think your experience with your ex is still affecting you. It's perfectly normal when you've been with someone for 2 years and lived with them for several months to have a chat about marriage, kids etc. It doesn't need to be a massive deal and would not in any way mean you are forcing his hand. Just talk to him!

kittensinmydinner · 07/02/2015 19:07

Can I just add, that if you go down the 'baby, marriage, house' route, getting a possible commitment-phone to the altar will be damn near impossible. My advice from sad experience of best friend , who was continually hoping for a proposal, had 4 children with scummy ex dp, is that the proposal won't happen if you have a child first... Protect yourself legally and financially and insist. No marriage, no children. That should test his real feelings !

KatelynB · 07/02/2015 20:12

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elizalovelacey · 07/02/2015 20:18

Protect yourself financially OP, no marriage, no kids!!!

Chaseface · 07/02/2015 21:12

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happywanderingwithdog · 07/02/2015 21:19

Oh for goodness sake op, just talk to him about it!

maryclarey · 07/02/2015 22:24

Thank you all, I am going to talk to him. It's not easy for me, so all of you saying just do it please remember that it's possible the outcome will be that he isn't on the same page and I will have to go through the pain of leaving again. Which I will do if I have to, I did it before. But I'm a bit clearer for reading all your posts so I'm hopeful it won't come to that as I was over reacting to one comment and that actually he isn't my ex and doesn't behave like him so I can raise this stuff. And as I say, I will talk to him and try not be so passive about it anymore :-)

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maryclarey · 08/02/2015 12:05

We talked :) and now my position is clear on the following

A. House saving can occur at the same time as wedding saving and there is no need at all for a big expensive wedding if it's going to push it down the priority list
B. Marriage needs to happen before kids for me (ages and declining fertility also discussed)
C. It's ok to rent for a bit longer to save for all this as we can set ourselves up in a suitable rental to accommodate small family additions and buy later

Feel a lot better now!

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Chaseface · 08/02/2015 12:09

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Lweji · 08/02/2015 12:09

But... do you have a time frame to get married?
I'm asking because from your previous posts it seemed important to you, regarding declining fertility and time wasting...
All that talk could still lead to stalling and you waiting for a never coming proposal.

Viviennemary · 08/02/2015 12:15

I wouldn't try to analyse too much what he said. But you do need to talk. And I agree if you are mid thirties and want children you have to start thinking about it sooner rather than later. Especially if you want two or three. No point in hanging around another five years wondering about what he intends to do. You need to know. I'm fed up of those men shilly shallying around. It's about time it stopped. Grin

Lweji · 08/02/2015 12:22

Ahem, RTFT? (it's not that long)

Birdsgottafly · 08/02/2015 13:45

I'd advise any woman who wants children and is over 30 to get a fertility check.

My DD (and her DP) is/has been delaying ttc, but at 30 her fertility has dropped an alarming amount from when she was 27 (last check), so they've had to make the decision to ttc next year. They would like two children at least 18 months apart.

Not all women will conceive and carry a baby to term past their mid 30's.

maryclarey · 08/02/2015 15:58

What we ultimately agreed is a timescale for moving to a bigger but cheaper rental than where we are now, in the area we will buy in eventually, but for a longer period than we had originally discussed in order to save to buy a house, wedding and start a family, and buy later on. During the prior conversation I said that I wouldn't be up for starting a family until we were married, so he should bear that in mind and that we don't need a big expensive wedding so that's no reason to put it down the priority list. He had mumbled something about family wedding protocols (big and pricey and usually in hot countries) and I said we should do what we want. And he then mentioned the fertility issue and said we shouldn't hang around for too long, so he clearly is aware of that. So the rest is up to him now isn't it (since he wants to do the asking)? Is that strong enough? I will be reinforcing this in further conversations.

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Lweji · 08/02/2015 16:03

Hmmm. It all sounds very indirect and him still putting up excuses (family expecting a big wedding).
Do you have a time frame you are comfortable with? At some point you will have to decide whether it's worth sticking with this man or not, and it should be sooner rather than later.

maryclarey · 08/02/2015 16:07

Well, if it's not all agreed by the time we are looking to move to the rental this summer then I'm going to have to lay it on the line. To be fair there is family pressure about weddings, they have caused ructions in the past, but then there will be from my side too. if he wants a big wedding I said we can do that it just means renting for longer.

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KatelynB · 08/02/2015 16:30

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Birdsgottafly · 08/02/2015 17:31

I'd say that it sounds as though you need to decide if you do want children, because there still isn't definite timescales, unless he is a big earner, or you're getting family help.

Your leaving an awful lot of your life decisions in his hands.

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