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Am I abusing my husband? how to tell

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lostintheduvet · 23/01/2015 05:26

How can I know if I am really the one abusing my husband?

I don't want to write a long post telling the entire story - I began and it was getting too long. I just want to know if anyone else has been in the situation where they are sure that they are being abused emotionally, yet their partner says it is them doing the abuse.

We have been together five years, mid thirties, no kids ( I have 2 older teens from my first marriage that do not live with us) and we have had many arguments recently. They centre on his flirtatious behaviour online, his porn use, his overstretching of our finances, refusal to effectively help with any household tasks (if he does, he will do it badly or a half-job that I have to finish or clear up) , his refusal to have a regular (more than once a month or two months) sex life with me.

I have tried to keep the peace by just putting up with his behaviour and not saying anything. However, this doesn't make any improvement to the sex life ( it actually gets even less frequent!) and if we are not arguing, he pretty much ignores me, and just watches TV or taps away on his mobile. I do not think he is having an affair ( in real life, at least) because he never goes out. I wish he did, these days.

He claims he 'hates coming home' to me, because all we do is argue. However, this usually comes about because I have tried to sit down and get him to address the issues in our marriage and find some answers. He just will not communicate with me, though. He employs every trick in the book to avoid answering any questions, rants, accuses, and talks 'around' everything, going off on tangents until I am confused and frustrated myself. Then he blames me for 'starting an argument' when all I think I did was try to talk, so the arguments stop and we come to a solution.

Is this abuse? I feel abused. I feel sad and empty. I feel too ugly to have sex with. I feel like I can't do anything right. I have even felt very suicidal, but when I tell him this, he says 'oh, that's your argument winner'. But I have attempted it once a couple of years ago, and I would probably have just done it by now if not for my children. It would be a relief, I think, sometimes.

I don't know how to fix this and even whether it is my fault. He says it is, but I know I have made efforts to talk, to listen, and I have never flirted online or lied about money to him.

I have told him that I will file for divorce unless he comes with me to see a counsellor, and he has agreed, but I am still afraid and confused that maybe he is right and I am being abusive without knowing it. I was taking tranquillisers until recently, but I stopped because they turned me into a zombie. While I was on them he complained that I never talked intelligently, and that I always slept, but now he says I just 'moan' if I object to anything he does. He even told me tonight he thinks I am schizophrenic.

I know this is stupid and doesn't make much sense but if anyone knows what I can do to tell if it is me then please advise.

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SomebodysRealName · 23/01/2015 05:41

This is abuse. His behaviour is abusive and it is not your fault. It is very typical for abusers to accuse their victim of being the abusive one. Do not go to joint counsellinb with an abuser. Get your own counselling if you can, to help you to work out what to do and why you are trapped in a situation which is so dangerous to you. Ultimately I think you will have to leave this man. Even if you buy into his narrative and assume you're being abusive (which you're not), clearly the relationship isn't healthy and nurturing. It doesn't bring out your best self. You feel suicidal. That's enough reason to go. I'm so sorry OP.

lostintheduvet · 23/01/2015 05:53

Thanks for answering. As you can see, I am awake worrying about it all at 5 am. Trying to work out what to do and wondering how I ever got into this situation. I'm 36, educated, was confident once. Now I am unemployed, unable to sleep and shaking from tranquilliser withdrawal.

I even feel bad that, if he is abusing me, why am I so unloveable that he would want to do that? It makes me sad.

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SomebodysRealName · 23/01/2015 06:04

Does it help to hear that I am 37, been separated from my ex for a year and now divorced - after thinking I was going to die, career on the floor, a small baby, various mis-diagnosis for mental health issues, seriously underweight - I left, I took back my autonomy, I took power back from him, I had therapy, I very soon got a new job, my career has gone into overdrive, I am so healthy and happy and relaxed all the time, my dc is thriving, see my family as much as I like and am rebuilding lost friendships? You can do it too.

SomebodysRealName · 23/01/2015 06:09

I was the abuser too - apparently. Hmm. Their idea of abuse is somebody trying to impose reasonable consequences for their abusive behaviour and asking them to stop.

lostintheduvet · 23/01/2015 06:09

It helps. Why did you think you would die? Mentally or physically? And did you ever miss him? I think I would miss him. I don't think he'd miss me, though.

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SomebodysRealName · 23/01/2015 06:59

My phone keeps crashing. I will keep trying to reply...

SomebodysRealName · 23/01/2015 07:01

I was severely underweight to the extent that I was at risk of organ failure. I was very sleep deprived, with the baby, work and ExH waking me up in the night for attention, and getting up in the night to clean...

SomebodysRealName · 23/01/2015 07:02

I was afraid I would have a RTA. When ExH drove, he drove very recklessly, often speeding deliberately to frighten me. he picked fights with other motorists it was really dangerous...

SomebodysRealName · 23/01/2015 07:04

I was suffering very badly with anxiety. I couldn't align the reality of the abuse eith the forced narrative coming from my only source of external validation ie him. I wasn't permitted to show any expression on my face of irritation or upset - I had to look blank as a minimum or preferably smiling all the time. I thought I might really lose it.

SomebodysRealName · 23/01/2015 07:08

He was violent and unpredictable. I didn't think he would deliberately kill me/us both but I thought he could recklessly do so.

I missed him when I left every time I left and I kept going back. In the end I realised what he was thanks to mumsnet, counsrlling and an escalation in his behaviour that even in my fog I couldn't ignore. Then I didn't miss him at all.

SomebodysRealName · 23/01/2015 07:11

I eventually told everyone in RL what was going on and once I started to tell people and they started to validate my experience, his grip over me began to slip.

SomebodysRealName · 23/01/2015 07:15

Sorry a bit long! You probably don't even realise how bad your situation is right now. To me it sounds horrendous. It is no way to live and you can't change him, you can only change yourself.

tumbletumble · 23/01/2015 07:23

OP, you are not abusing him.

In a way, does it matter if he's abusing you or if he's just an unpleasant, nasty, lazy, selfish twat who isn't making you happy? It doesn't have to be abuse for you to decide to leave. You don't even have DC together. You don't need to be with this man if you don't want to.

ShipwreckedAndComatose · 23/01/2015 07:23

No, you are not abusing him. But you sound desperately unhappy and I think you have every right to be. Counselling sounds like a good start and if he refuses to engage with it then you might want to carry on for yourself to help you sort out your thoughts.

Otherwise, from what you have posted, it is really hard to see what positives are in this relationship and why you stay.

SomebodysRealName · 23/01/2015 07:29

Counselling for yourself I would definitely recommend but joint counselling with an abuser will make you more vulnerable. If you are honest and open in the counselling session about your feelings and vulnerabilities, you will give him more power. A good counsellor would recognise an abusivd dynamic and refuse to see you jointly.

dirtybadger · 23/01/2015 07:34

Counselling sounds like a good idea but not with him. He'll manipulate the situations verbally to the point that everything becomes you're fault- just like he does in argument. You're not abusive. You can leave. For any reason you like. Relationships are supposed to enhance our lives.

MinceSpy · 23/01/2015 07:47

Lost you need to protect yourself, please go back to your doctor and explain how you feel. There may be a better AD they can prescribe also doctor may agree to send you to counselling on your own. Your self esteem has been so eroded you have lost your way, a talking therapy with help you find yourself.
Finding a job would be a positive step forward and help you regain your independence.

Your not too ugly for sex he is inadequate and doesn't/can't have/want sex with you. Don't sell yourself short, don't have sex with a man who has no respect.

Talk to Women's Aid and get advice on freeing yourself from this toxic relationship. You are a young woman with a lot of living ahead of you..

lostintheduvet · 23/01/2015 07:48

I feel ashamed because I've been divorced once already. I married very young the first time and my kids are legally adults now. Family are religious...and if I get divorced again...it won't look good for me.

I'm also ashamed that somehow I can't make a marriage work. That's what makes me wonder if it is me. So I stay, to try and find an answer. I mean, if it is me, then I should be able to make it better, right?

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SomebodysRealName · 23/01/2015 08:12

Well don't. If you went into a bad business deal and had to go to court to extract your business from a bad contract - and then later you found you had entered into another bad business deal, you wouldn't be a good business person if you stuck with it. It would be back to court, enforce your rights, extract your business and protect your interests time again - and everyone would applaud your decisive and assertive action.

livingzuid · 23/01/2015 08:19

Urgh he sounds hideous. Divorce at the earliest opportunity. Do not stay with this man because your religious family may disapprove! They are not the ones living your life. Good luck Thanks

scarletforya · 23/01/2015 08:20

Projection, that's what it's called. Abusers do it, accusing you of things they do themselves. It's quite mind bending.

Counselling isn't going to help I'm afraid. It's who he is. He wants to be like this.

Don't waste time being 'ashamed'. No-one could make a marriage work with this man. There are no prizes in this life for being the best doormat.

The problem lies with him, not you. But you do need to learn how to restore your self esteem, how to spot losers and users, to understand how you came to be in this situation. You will learn how to recognize red flags in people.

Build your own self esteem. Get rid of this guy. You're not tied by children. You're in a good position to start again.

Try some counselling. Forget what other people think, you're living your life for yourself, not them.

livingzuid · 23/01/2015 08:20

Oh and you are in no way responsible for his shitty behaviour. There is nothing to be ashamed of.

IKnitSoIDontKill · 23/01/2015 08:59

I agree- counselling on your own, with a counsellor you connect with will be amazing. I am 2 years out of a similar sounding relationship, where he too lied endlessly, twisted everything and told me I was abusive.
My counsellor told me 'calmly stating your boundaries and what you want does not make you selfish, or abusive, and nor does challenging behaviour that is hurting you' It has stuck with me.

I also had huge guilt about ending my marriage, but really it wasn't me who ended it. Yes, I asked him to leave, but it was him to whom the vows meant nothing. Whatever vows you said they will have mentioned something about love, support and respect. He is breaking them every day. There is no shame in walking away.

CocktailQueen · 23/01/2015 09:02

*I feel ashamed because I've been divorced once already. I married very young the first time and my kids are legally adults now. Family are religious...and if I get divorced again...it won't look good for me.

I'm also ashamed that somehow I can't make a marriage work. That's what makes me wonder if it is me. So I stay, to try and find an answer. I mean, if it is me, then I should be able to make it better, right?*

But you can't make a marriage work if the other party is an abusive twat! That's what your husband is. Cut your losses. Move out. Life is too short to spend it this unhappy. You have no dc together - why are you staying? Don't bother with counselling with him - but you may find it helpful for YOU.

I'm sure your family would want you to be happy, even if it means getting divorced again. THIS IS NOT YOUR FAULT.

Annarose2014 · 23/01/2015 09:04

I remember someone on here once saying that in an abusive relationship, when he gets angry its OK, but when you get angry you're unstable, completely hysterical.

Therefore you end up trying never to get angry. And he ends up being able to do what he wants without any consequences.

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