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Another total family nightmare...(sorry v long)

32 replies

sirin · 15/10/2006 01:58

Sorry this is so very long but all objective advice/opinions appreciated.

I have a very small family indeed (husband, one son, mother, one sister and 3 neices and nephews). We all live in the same small town and all see each other almost daily.

My sister(aged 44) is a single parent with 3 children (21, 8 and 6) from two marriages. She has had a very chequered history with men but is generally a good, responsible parent at heart, although this story suggests otherwise... Since her last marriage ended in 2002 she has always maintained that she does not intend to be alone for ever, wanting to find a soul mate for herself as well as someone to share in family life with her and the children. Her youngest two children see their father quite regularly although he is not a particularly good parent and still has a very bad relationship with my sister.

Since 2002 she has had several boyfriends (internet, met incidentially on nights out etc) who have lasted for varying periods of time, not all of whom she has introduced to her children. About 4 of them have been introduced to her children and, bless them, they have always accepted them with childlike innocence readily and without any problems. The relationships have petered out for various reasons; sometimes down to my sister and sometimes down to the man. In every case the children have been very fond of the men and have lost them from their lives.

In mid June this year my sister met a new man, Tim. He lives in a town some 150 miles away from us. Things very quickly became very serious between them. He is a childless divorcee and 3 years younger than my sister. He apparently has a good, well paid job and owns his own home outright. She met his parents after knowing him for only 3 days and they were apparently extremely welcoming and kind to both her two youngest children. Within a fortnight they had invited the children to stay for a week during the summer hols and they apparently had a fantastic time with them and were very kind to them. The children have now grown very fond of both them (already call them Nana and Grandpa) and Tim.

A few weeks ago now (around 2 and a half months after my sister and Tim met)it came out through the children that they were going to be moving away to live with Tim. To cut a long story very short, we've since discovered that Tim is planning to buy a new 5 bedroomed house to accommodate them all and is willing to put my sister's name on the deeds to offer her security. She lives in rented council accommodation (which she incidentially feels is too small for her family) so has nothing to bring to the relationship and will clearly have to lose her home when she moves away. She is taking the children away from their environment, their home, family, school, friends, father and everything they've ever known. She has only ever met up with Tim at weekends and we are all very concerned that she really doesn't know him very well at all, not him her. They seem very "loved-up" (understandably at this stage) and (also understandably) she says they "don't envisage the relationship going wrong".

Both my mother and I have told my sister that we can't support her in her decision to take teh children and leave when she hasn't really tested the relationship with Tim and has had such a chequered past with men. We feel that she should act more responsibly where her childrens' interests and feelings are concerned. My mother has said to her that if she leaves she will only be prepared to see the children in the future and not my sister. I feel extremely frustrated, upset, angry and powerless to do anything to stop my sister despite having talked to her at length and expressed all my concerns which she simply dismisses as "being negative".

She argues that the deal with the house is far too good to miss and that Tim is offering security, has many qualities, is kind to the children, can offer the children another set of grandparents and generally "ticks all the boxes" on her wish list. She argues that the area he lives in has more to offer the children (debatable in my view)and that she is acting in the best intersts of the children who will have a far better life if they all go to live with Tim. She also argues that children are extremely adapatable to change and will settle well and make new friends quickly. She says they're looking forward to it but we wonder if they're really aware of the full implications of the move.

Are we wrong to challenge her? Do you think she is right to make this hasty move or do you agree with us that she should slow down and tread more cautiously than she is? She is telling us we are just being ridiculous and negative.

Help....!

OP posts:
bctmum · 16/10/2006 19:23

sirin - I think you're right to be concerned - what gets to me is that he'll put her name on the dees for security. It just seems too good to be true.

Also you say they have never spent time really together.

It's alot for him to agree to do so fast.

This would worry me - check him out - find out about him.

Also - Doesn't he want kids that are biologically his?

Sakura · 17/10/2006 01:31

Its a difficult one, because it could go pear-shaped for the kids, but I think your mother sounds very over-controlling. In fact, your sister needs all the support she can get at this stab at happiness. It may go wrong, but she probably thinks its better than always wondering what if. And a happy mum means happy kids.

arfishymeau · 17/10/2006 02:10

I agree that he sounds too good to be true. And I can also see why your sister is finding him hard to refuse. She is also big enough to make her own mistakes and decisions. I do understand why you are trying to get her to take this more slowly though.

Does she REALLY know him? Has he spent time living at her house during the week? What does he do for work? Is she 100% sure he's not dangerous to the children? Why is he prepared to risk 50% of his capital after knowing them for 2.5 months? Seems ridiculous for him to be gambling that much money on a relationship. Why is there such a rush?

I think she should take this much more slowly - perhaps while he looks for a house to buy he could live with them? Then everybody would know what life would be like together before the children are uprooted.

ghosty · 17/10/2006 02:15

I agree with others here Sirin ... in that I understand your concern but that you have to let your sister choose her path, even if you don't agree with it, and be there for her if it goes wrong.
I know it is a different scenario but when we moved to NZ I couldn't have done it without the blessing of my family ... I know they didn't want me to go - but they all understood that this was the path DH and I were choosing. It was a MASSIVE gamble ... we had NO idea how it would turn out ... but if we hadn't done it then we would never have known. They knew that and despite their concerns and worries no negatives were said and I left safe in the knowledge that if it went belly up I could go home to welcoming arms and no "I told you so's" ....
That meant and means the world to me.

IMO: family = unconditional love .... no matter what ...

Support your sister in her decision and you will never truly lose her ....

joelallie · 17/10/2006 11:29

I agree with that Ghosty.

My brother lives 300 miles away. And it's only now that we are both adults with seperate lives that we really love and, more importantly, like each other. It might add a new dimension to your relationship.

I do think that she needs to make sure of the deeds business before she makes the move though.

Avalon · 17/10/2006 11:55

I too wonder why it's all so rushed.

If Tim is 'the one' for your sister, then he'll still be the one in 6 months' time.
Why not wait until the school year is finished/almost finished, buy the new house and let the kids start the new school in the next academic year?

In the meantime, they could all spend some more time together and get to know each other better.

Sirin, I think you're right to have fears over this. It would worry me that it's all 'too good to be true'.

WinkyWinkola · 18/10/2006 12:07

Sounds to me like your sister is jumping at the chance for a bit of freedom from her controlling family! It does sound a bit suffocating.

Your sister is all grown up now and makes her own decisions. I just think you're worried about your own loss which is understandable, Sirin but it's not really a loss. They're only moving 150 miles away - not to another continent. You'll all just have to make a bit more effort to see each other. It could be great fun for your kids to see another part of the country every so often when you go to visit your sister.

What horrible things to say to someone who is trying to make her life better. I hope that you can still be friends and close to your sister when she's moved. Distance doesn't mean that you can't be close and supportive.

If she makes a mistake, then that's part of life, isn't it? More importantly, it's part of HER life. A great sister would accept her sibling's decisions, respect them and be supportive if there is trouble. I'm sure you will be. Not sure about your mum though. Did she have children in order to keep her company in her old age?

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