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I need advice please from people who are in relationships with partners who have experienced emotional abuse.

49 replies

ArghMIL · 30/12/2014 16:54

NC.

DH was emotionally abused by his mother for most of his life. She is a vile woman. He will not go No Contact with her (I have asked, several times) as she is his only surviving parent (his DF was lovely, neither of us have any earthly idea why he married MIL - she was just as vile to her husband, even when he was dying) and he keeps trying to please her, e.g. by buying her gifts or doing things for her.

She is a very sprightly 72 and goes to the gym regularly. She had to leave the pensioners classes as they were too slow for her. So she's not going away any time soon. She lives in another country and we have sporadic phone calls and bi/tri-annual visits, usually for three or four days.

These visits make DH depressed and angry. Usually he starts smoking again as an outlet for pent-up frustration. He only tells me about 50% of what goes on with her. Every couple of months there is a new thing - she has control of his finances in their home country (he said it was easier to sign it over than fight with her) and has messed them up a few times, although this is limited because DH's best friend works in the bank where the savings are, so usually intervenes and counsels his mother out of whatever it is she's planning.

The whole situation with her is so bizarre and upsetting. She is rude, arrogant and violently (verbally) furious with everyone. And I don't know how to help him.

I am always there as a listening ear, I give him no end of physical affection and tell him he is loved (for she certainly never does, is constantly telling him how awful he is, never hugs him etc.). After her visits if he is depressed I look after him, food, drink etc as best I can.

But what I can't deal with is the anger, because sometimes he directs it at me and gets furious with me over minor ridiculous things, or - he even admits - nothing at all, he just wants to shout at someone and I happen to be there. I never ever let that behaviour slide but I am in a complete quandary:

  • If he would never talk to his friends like that (and I believe he would not) then he shouldn't be speaking to me like that. He always feels justified in what he has done and never apologises unless I force him to (usually by refusing to engage with him until I have had a sincere apology - this has happened three times). I believe very firmly in apologies and always apologise if I feel I am to blame.
  • OTOH he is clearly very emotionally damaged. She has done a complete number on him. He says he was No Contact for ten years but didn't get away from her, partly because FIL was still alive and also because relatives and friends kept ringing him to sort out their problems with her (she falls out with everyone on a regular basis, she is full of hate). I love him, beyond anything and 99.9% of the time he is sweet, gentle and kind, strokes my hair so I can fall asleep and looks after me (I was briefly quite badly injured and needed lots of care). He is an equal partner in all chores and we are getting married next year. He only ever, ever treats me like this following an issue with her (e.g. could be following one of the financial situations, doesn't have to be a physical visit). These are few and far between, maybe three or four outbursts a year.

I was wondering how those who have been the children of emotionally abusive parents, or who are with someone who has been, cope? How do you support them and where do you draw the line in terms of reactions? I am looking for other people's experiences as if there is no way of changing this then I am not sure it's a good idea for us to get married and have children. However we have been together for many years and I have tried to help him... it's only now as the wedding approaches that I am beginning to think (perhaps a little late!) about whether this is a permanent thing or not.

I have suggested counselling a couple of times but he thinks it's for "mental people" so won't go Hmm

I am posting because I called him today about something and realised that I was consciously editing what I was saying to appease him so he wouldn't shout. That horrified me. MIL stayed with us for a week over Christmas and it was hell. He cried on Christmas Day and then drank solidly until 1am watching costume dramas on TV, until I got out of bed and persuaded him to come upstairs. I hate her so much for what she has done to him.

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ArghMIL · 01/01/2015 17:52

For the avoidance of doubt the way I phrased it was as whether he wanted us to stay together or not and he said he didn't care. That left me cold and calm. I will sort this out to my benefit and if that is leaving him, then so be it.

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FunkyBoldRibena · 01/01/2015 17:58

He says I wind him up, have annoying habits that no one else would tolerate and that I am lucky he has such a long fuse (verbatim). I am concerned that if I stay with him I will lose my self esteem.

Say bye bye to that self esteem OP. Why anyone would want to be with someone who is told the above is beyond me.

ArghMIL · 01/01/2015 18:04

Yes but I don't believe that anyone is perfect - people say hurtful things to each other all the time. What matters is how you deal with it. I am giving him one last chance to deal with it appropriately. I won't tell him what he needs to do, will see if he has the humanity and emotional maturity to understand. If he has then I think there is some hope.

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loiner45 · 01/01/2015 18:08

I hope you make the right decision for you and your future children op - parenting can be hard enough without having to worry about protecting your dc from the mood swings of their father, treading on eggshells around him. Imagine having small children and them being subjected to this.

ArghMIL · 01/01/2015 19:12

So he's back. He poked his head around the door and asked if I wanted a drink. I didn't as I'd just git myself one. He sat on the other sofa for a bit watching TV and then left. He's upstairs in his office.

We were meant to be going to a friend's tonight, the same friend I went to earlier and her husband was meant to be going to the pub with him. He texted DH again and said he would try and catch up with him tonight to talk some sense into him. It's not looking good, frankly, which is a shame. We have had a very tough year for many reasons. Sad it has to end like this.

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ArghMIL · 01/01/2015 21:14

Sorry to double post. Can anyone hold my hand? He's been sat upstairs all evening. Didn't expect this at all. I thought he would realise a line had been crossed. Am working from home tomorrow and will take the weekend to work out logistics. My friends have known him longer than I and they convinced me he would do the right thing. :(

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ArghMIL · 01/01/2015 21:15

I want to go up there but know I can't - I have always been the first to apologise before.

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trackrBird · 01/01/2015 21:56

Sorry it's not going well, OP. Brew

I'm still quite shocked by this:

He does think counselling is for the mentally weak and told me so, in those words, after one if my counselling sessions

It shows very clearly what he thinks of you.

You deserve much better treatment than this. You know you do.

FunkyBoldRibena · 01/01/2015 22:13

people say hurtful things to each other all the time

No - no they don't!

OP he is showing you what sort of a man he is - it is up to you to either pay attention to that or ignore it at your peril.

Complicatedasever · 01/01/2015 22:20

Why should you apologise? You have done nothing wrong. You are not responsible, ever, for his bad behaviour. As painful as it is, this is your chance to end a dysfunctional relationship. Take it, learn to recognise abuse and then live your life free from it.

Complicatedasever · 01/01/2015 22:23

Do you have someone in real life that you trust? Please tell them and get some support.

ArghMIL · 01/01/2015 22:33

Thanks Trackr for the tea :)

complicated I have my friends who live nearby who I went to today but they convinced me he would apologise based on what they know of him. Funnily enough I have a pretty good radar but a poor ability to act. I have been telling him every time (about half a dozen times) he has done this that it's wrong and he just laughs and says I'm paranoid or it's all in my head. He tells other people that as well, in a jokey way but right now it's not much of a joke as I'm not sure anyone apart from my family will believe me given how often he tells our friends that I exaggerate.

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ArghMIL · 01/01/2015 22:41

I've never done this before. Practically I think it will be okay... only one bill is in my name and the house is his. I have a lot of stuff but will need to move closer to work so not sure how to find somewhere to live as parents live quite far north.

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FunkyBoldRibena · 01/01/2015 22:49

How nice of him to infer that you are exaggerating his abuse. What a guy.

ArghMIL · 02/01/2015 12:25

Slept in the spare room most of the night before having to go into our room and sleep next to him as I was in too much pain from the injury, which has a disabling effect on me (finally believe my DParents when they say the guest bed is uncomfortable! ). Left before he woke up. Am really not well and he's no longer looking after me. Husband of our friends came around to return glasses but in reality to try and talk some sense into him but he's gone out, not sure where. Trying to wfh in spare room. Difficult.

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McSantaPaws · 02/01/2015 17:01

Argh - this is your golden opportunity. He's seeing how far he can push you before you cave and apologise?? Don't! Walk away, now. Quickly and cleanly. Cut all contact. Of course you probably won't do this and it's easy for me to say, I understand all that but this relationship is dysfunctional.

Your friends are saying that he will come good in the end. Well they probably don't want the apple cart upset. It makes things awkward. They want life to go on all nice and rosy. They want to go to a nice wedding and look forward to future kids. Do they know how he treats you? If not, why not? If they do, they don't have your best inetrests at heart, although they think they might.

He needs to help himself, without you. You can't save him.

ArghMIL · 02/01/2015 17:23

Santa Believe me, it have read so many threads in here where the abused partner doesn't leave that I actually have the whole topic hidden as I find it too depressing. Friends are lovely but also ultra conservative Christians and have known partner for years. He is also never less than 100% amazing usually and is godfather to their DS. So in the circumstances they are being great but I am taking it with a heavy dose of MN on the side. They are good, kind, supportive people which is why I went there but I was expecting them to try and see if we could work it out. It's a touchy subject I guess.

I have called my mum when my self imposed 24 yr deadline ran out and he hadn't apologised or done anything nice. He has been out for most of the day, now back and holed up in his office, very subdued and quiet and talking on a normal voice. I am going to my parents tomorrow... need to work out the logistics with work as I am part time owing to the injury. Might need to get a travelodge for a couple of nights as they live too far away from my office. Mum is determined I w need some space, to come home and she will look after me and help me get my stuff etc (I can't even carry laundry baskets at the moment, some mornings I can't get out of bed).

I will buy the books suggested and read them. I saw that Patricia Evans has also written a book about how to recognise if emotionally abusive men ever get better. I will get it posted to my parents and consider it carefully.

To reiterate - he only ticks a few boxes and not all the time. I am of course rightly concerned about escalation and have noted those of you who said that children were a trigger. If he really makes a massive, massive effort I am not ruling out taking him back as I love him so much. The counselling is actually primarily to stop me having panic attacks from fear he could be hurt - we were in the same accident together that also gave him a head injury (and has changed his behaviour for the worst - maybe why he is so bad now?). He has been left with no support for the head injury and subsequent health and behaviour changes. The doctors here are good that great. If one of them had suggested counselling he might have gone.

It has just been a very shit year.

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ArghMIL · 02/01/2015 17:27

And yes, a big part of this is that he has to recognise this for himself and not blame me. I have my bad points (am a bit of a slattern and he is more an OCD type) and I am stubborn but otherwise I am a bit of a catch - good job, usually fairly fit, not hideous, usually sharp and funny... Therefore I can always find someone else and the problem isn't me! I have also made huge efforts in the past few years to improve on the household chores front and have mostly succeeded. So I do try.

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McSantaPaws · 02/01/2015 19:19

Argh - hugs. You have a lot to contend with. Sounds like your injury is seriously impacting your mental and physical health. It's good that your parents are supportive. You have a lot going for you, good job, supportive parents, you are obv smart and sound pretty determined.

Go and let your mum look after you and do your favourite things. Be kind to yourself.

greenberet · 02/01/2015 20:33

hi argh im sorry you are going through this but thought my story may help you. I am in the process of divorcing DH after 20years of marriage & 2 kids due to an affair & an ongoing relationship with OW. I never knew my DH was emotionally abusive until recently- I got the I dont love you speech this time last yr & after doing lots of googling, reading on here etc came to a realisation that he is narcisstic. I have spent most of my married life on antidepressants as always thought there was something wrong with me, my DS has behavioural problems which I thought was "him" but have now realised was probably more due to DH and the criticism, the mood swings, the inconsistency in parenting and the favouring of the "easy" child. Even though he had the affair I am going through one hell of a battle - somehow it is all my fault, he went into "breakdown" which I now know was the shame & guilt not remorse for what he had done. My kids are suffering but he doesnt see that he is in anyway responsible - he is carrying on with his OW as though nothing has happened. You have a choice - a difficult one I agree but the pain you feel now will be nothing compared to the pain you could have to endure further down the line x

ArghMIL · 03/01/2015 10:41

Thanks both. Had a good night's sleep but now feel sick - leaving in a hour. Was going to get a taxi to the station but DP, now very subdued, is insisting on driving me. I was so caught up in making him realise what he has done that I forgot I will be losing something as well.

green thank you so much for sharing your story. To be honest it is this statement that is behind all of this and my determination - the pain you feel now will be nothing compared to the pain you could have to endure further down the line. I am too nervous about how he might behave in the future to let it lie now. Doesn't stop me feeling like I'm going to throw up though! I think it's nerves. I will pack some work to do on the train, which will keep me occupied.

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ArghMIL · 03/01/2015 23:36

Am at parents'. DP drove me to the station, insisted on it. I haven't texted or called to say I arrived safely. He was so quiet and subdued. My DM has been great and said that he needs to understand and accept that certain aspects of his behaviour are beyond the pale and he needs to love me enough to fix them. It's been two days and he still hasn't made any move towards this. I don't think he does love me enough and that is a tough thought. I think in the back of my mind I thought he would come to his senses. :(

It is so tempting to lose my pride and self worth and give in. My mum won't let me do it, which is why I have told her everything. I know I would hate myself for it further down the line but it's not just DP I would lose - we live so far away from my job that I would rarely see my friends either, or their children, who I adore. Went to say goodbye to the friends who know before I left and their DS was playing trains on the floor. He jumped up when I came in and gave me a huge hug, then said "my train is broken ArghMIL, please help me fix it. Play trains with me?" And I had to say no because I was leaving soon. He idolises DP, we are his favourite adults and now he may never remember me.

It breaks my heart to think I will probably lose so much of my life through this, not because my friends will chose sides but mostly through geography.

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morethanpotatoprints · 11/01/2015 01:12

Hello OP

This was my OP before we got married, but also had ds1 who was i year old.
My dh witnessed the most awful domestic abuse as a child and received emotional abuse himself.
I hate and detest what his parents have done to him, his mum didn't continue or become the rp.

He had 3 outbursts first 2 were nothing, the third was a bit worse but crossed the line.
He got the help he needed and over 20 years he is a different person. Overnight it was like he just changed his whole viewpoint.
If he is worth it he will want to get help himself.
I don't think you should get married until he has changed HIS view or it will only get worse, so I'm told and believe.

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