Meet the Other Phone. Only the apps you allow.

Meet the Other Phone.
Only the apps you allow.

Buy now

Please or to access all these features

Relationships

Mumsnet has not checked the qualifications of anyone posting here. If you need help urgently or expert advice, please see our domestic violence webguide and/or relationships webguide. Many Mumsnetters experiencing domestic abuse have found this thread helpful: Listen up, everybody

Ready to kill my opinionated DB....Xmas and bereavement related

36 replies

CosySlipperSox · 27/12/2014 10:49

This thread is about me and my brother, with whom I have a complex love/ 'hate' or should I say love/ clash relationship. We are both strong fiery characters but have clashed big time over the past months, with things being currently at an all time low.

My lovely granny died earlier in the month and we've only just had her funeral. Before she died we were both power of attorney for health and welfare and now we are both executors.

He has stayed in my home for 5 days over Xmas- since the funeral. He finds where we live very parochial compared to his London lifestyle but he doesn't drive so he was pretty much stuck in our semi rural home.

He has such an extrovert, big, opinionated, loud personality. He has a naturally show offy nature and can be very condescending. He tries to impose his tastes on others and is very very messy. He is a great cook but makes a huge mess and rarely clears anything up. He is like a man child, loafing around drinking vast quantities and acting like a big kid. I have loads of affection for him, but can only take him in small doses.

I did the lion's share of the funeral prep and feel that dh and I were deprived of family down time between funeral and Xmas.

By the time Xmas day came I was ready to murder him, tbh.

We now face the new year as joint executors and trustees of my gran (moderate sized) estate. I am simply dreading it. Most of the estate will be held in trust till my mum dies with us deciding on investments!!

He badgers and persists when he wants to state his view and he always makes snap decisions. I am a deep thinker and much more reflective, wishing to take time over big decisions ( eg deciding whether gran had lost mental capacity) and we clash routinely over decision making.

How on earth am I going to survive the next few months? How will my relationship with my bd survive?

Advice?

OP posts:
CosySlipperSox · 27/12/2014 16:02

What do you mean, mwalimu?

OP posts:
mwalimu · 27/12/2014 16:56

I mean people that love us leave us monetary wealth because it makes our lives easier/more comfortable/more enjoyable/whatever...the ultimate goal is that it will make us happier

I cant imagine she would have left it the way she did, if she thought the 2 of you couldn't handle it without killing one another? This is probably why people leave their fortunes to the cats home

mwalimu · 27/12/2014 16:58

And, send your brother home! Why is he still there? He has outstayed his welcome

CosySlipperSox · 27/12/2014 18:11

Hi mwalimu. My DB actually went home last night.

I know I am technically beneficiary, but I'm not actually inheriting anything until my mum dies. In this sense I am no different to most posters on MN, despite my recent bereavement. That's fine, as I am not massively interested in making money and am fortunate enough to be comfortably off.

However, I am a trustee and an executor which is effectively amounts to bring a very, very big job to do. I am happy to work hard in this role to honour my gran, but needed advice in managing my relationship with my brother, as it's going to be a long haul.

OP posts:
InnocenceAndExperience · 27/12/2014 19:12

It sounds like a difficult situation.

Could you involve all the (eventual) beneficiaries in decision-making? Maybe not at a micro-level but overall... in case of mega differences of opinion. eg if your brother won't agree to appointing an advisor.

The last thing any of you want is to blow the family apart because people think the money is not growing enough or is at too much risk.

I'm in a horrible situation myself because while I've done pretty much all the work (selling the property, paperwork, looking after the money, dealing with all the post etc) and my brother has taken on no ongoing responsibilities, he refuses to either agree with any ideas I have for investing the money or come up with any properly researched alternatives. He has also gone moaning to the family that I won't involve him in anything when the reality is that he has attended all relevant meetings with professionals (and disrupted them) and had all the relevant information. Result is that one relative actually complained to my mum's lawyer and attempted to overturn the POA. I think my extended family think I've appropriated or mismanaged my mums money, judging by the hostile reactions I get from them. So basically, all this work and taking responsibility has cost me my family. [crying as I type].

So I have failed miserably to deal with the situation but the moral of the story is to bear in mind that if it goes wrong it really can go horribly, horribly wrong.

If your brother is competent, would you consider letting him look after everything, but with the proviso that there is some professional advice and that you attend a review every (say) 12 months?

mwalimu · 27/12/2014 19:28

So basically, all this work and taking responsibility has cost me my family. [crying as I type]

that is such a ridiculously absurd outcome...

Flowers
tribpot · 27/12/2014 19:36

The trust presumably is for the benefit of all four of you after your mother dies? I would think that regardless of executor responsibilities (which is more about governance, i.e. ensuring the will is properly executed) all four of you, plus your mother, need to decide on the appropriate investment vehicle.

Did your gran leave no instruction with regards to the house? Is it up to you whether you hold on to it (to what purpose?) or dispose of it to liquidate the asset for investment purposes?

Your brother sounds like the sort of person you'd run a mile from if you weren't related to him, by the way. It's a shame your gran didn't create a trust prior to her death so there'd be less scope for argument. It seems pretty obvious your risk appetite and that of your brothers is wildly different and this could cause an ongoing headache unless you can somehow ringfence parts of the capital to be invested differently?

ARealPipperoo · 27/12/2014 19:44

This reply has been deleted

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

CosySlipperSox · 27/12/2014 20:24

Innocence, I'm so sad for you, that is just terrible. Hugs xx

Tribpot, we still haven't found out all the small print, so to speak, but know we can either sell or keep the house as we see fit.

The other family members will certainly have a say, and my db will accept this too. I think we will vote on the big decisions eg keep/ sell the house but I'm terrified of the bickering.

Arealpipperoo,I do know that legally we wouldn't be allowed to do that as the trust must remain a trust. It's a shame as my mum would choose to do that.

OP posts:
InnocenceAndExperience · 27/12/2014 20:35

Its all still new and raw so perhaps the best thing would be to agree to go away for a few weeks and reconvene at a set date to discuss options.

Allow yourselves to grieve and recover for now.

CosySlipperSox · 27/12/2014 20:37

Thanks innocence. I think that would help. I've just had a text exchange with him and get was quite sweet in the text. I feel really guilty now. I do love and cAre for him but he is such a strong character and so hard to negotiate with :-(

OP posts:
New posts on this thread. Refresh page