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belle1974 · 09/12/2014 20:27

so i am pretty much a sahm with a high earning dh. He earns enough for us/me to lose child benefit. Originally I planned to carry on claiming and to pay it back through dhs tax code. He wasn't happy about this so I reluctantly waived my right. I suggested that extra should be paid into my sole account to cover this. This never happened so I currently barely gret enough to cover my direct debits. I do have access to joint account and joint credit card but find he often moans about what I spend on groceries etc. He slso moaned about a cheque I wrote out for cubs as I didn't put it on money. last month he moaned about us not having enough to cover credit card etc.
He was due to get a bonus last month but was concerned hd might not get it due to a problem at work. As a result I have avoided getting dishwasher fixed etc.
About a week or so ago I asked if he had got a bonus he said yes in a low key way. Turns out he received 5.5k.
He has not spoken to me re plans for bonus etc. I have paid for so much out of my savings from my bond maturity just to make ends meet lately. I know at least 1 dc is getting an extra big present and he plans to trest himself in the New Year. As per normal I feel overlooked.
He has history for spdnding bonus on himself and kids. Indeed whilst I was reovering from my last csection he went out and spent £200 on gifts for dc from their new sister and gifts for himself. I didn't even get a box of chocs.
Feel like I am not being treated equally.
Thoughts please.

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ScrambledEggAndToast · 10/12/2014 10:35

He is annoyed because he feels your work isn't "worthy". Well, without you, he wouldn't be able to have his high flying career so what you do is every bit as important as what he does. You should never be made to feel bad for spending money, especially on family things. He is behaving appallingly and this financial situation needs to be re-examined so that you get a better deal.

belle1974 · 10/12/2014 15:24

The thing is things improved for a while. Than the whingeing started sgain. I have been putting some money away in the dcs name so I will bide my time. Also going to put everything on joint card in future. The credit card is always paid off in full and I am a secondary cardholder so not liable.

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hissingcat · 10/12/2014 15:36

Why are things being put on a credit card when he earns so much?
What are 'your' expenses? Are they payments for things just for you or for DC or the whole family?
I don't understand how a couple can have separate finances when one works and one doesn't.

LegoAdventCalendar · 10/12/2014 15:46

You need to get a job and go back to work to get away from this person. They never improve for long. Working makes you independent of him. He will have to pay for his fair share of childcare. End of. Even in a split, he will need to pay.

lovetheautumn · 10/12/2014 15:49

This sounds awful belle I'm so sorry :(. What strikes me is it's like the groceries, the cubs payment, the dishwasher, are being treated as solely your areas so it's your 'fault' if they are costing money, is he not eating the food, are your children not his, does he not use the clean dishes?!?!
Like someone else mentioned I bet he had no idea how much these things come to if he never involves himself.
You are working, being a sahm can be the hardest job, yet you don't get paid minimum wage. You are allowing him to continue his career and not have to worry about paying out for childcare, which I bet would also shock him if he was aware how much that costs!!
I'm assuming he's getting all the groceries bought in by you, food cooked for children and him, house cleaned, you play your part, and do not deserve to be made to feel guilty if these things cost money.
I can see how separate finances may work well if both parties are earning a similar amount, then you have your own money to do with what you please, however when when one party is earning nothing for their work, and the other is on a lot, there needs to be some system of money, not just for the essentials, but also if you wanted a little something for yourself, you are working hard for him so why are you not entitled to a penny of his?
I am a sahm and I know how trapped you can feel when you're not making any of your own money, but desperately need a new bra or coat, or would like a bit of make up, but yet you know there is no money coming your way at the end of the month, but in our case it's just because we don't really have it, not because my husband won't 'let' me.
His attitude regarding gifts and the bonus just totally stinks, there are no words, it just doesn't read like a loving relationship :( I'm sorry, I would be having serious words with the arse. I'd love to see the reaction if you stopped doing everything for him, no food in the fridge when he gets home, kids running riot round a wrecked house, washing up piled high stinking out the kitchen. To me it seems like he places no value on what you do for him and your family, he clearly thinks you're entitled to nothing for what you do, oh it's making me angry I've been talking for ages, please speak to him, he doesn't deserve you :)

belle1974 · 10/12/2014 16:47

fortunately I have no problems buying clothes etc. I am looking at back to work options but it isn't easy as childcare for 3dc is expensive.

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simontowers2 · 10/12/2014 16:52

I wouldnt even enter into negotiations with this cunt. Just ltb - you'd be better off financially by the sounds of it plus you'll be able screw the tight-fisted, selfish fucker for all he's worth.

simontowers2 · 10/12/2014 16:54

Why are women so bloody gullable to these people blatantly walking all over them????

MrsMerrywinkle · 10/12/2014 17:08

Start divorce proceeding - let him see how the joint finances stack up then. Tosser.

AttilaTheMeerkat · 10/12/2014 17:13

Belle1974

Simply put, you are being financially abused and in turn your children are and will feel the effects of this too. Infact I daresay they are already (his behaviour re cubs etc).

Talking to him Belle will be a wasted effort because he thinks he is doing nothing at all wrong here. His parents likely did the self same behaviours as well, such men do not change. Your man will not change.

After talking as well things may improve for a while but this is really the cycle of abuse here. Its a continuous cycle and before long and as before he will start ramping up the power and control again.

He may well try and employ every means possible to prevent you going back to work. He'll moan incessantly about it for a start.

The way forward for you here is to leave him. There is really no other option. He does not respect you at all, you are his domestic appliance and you are not at all valued.

What do you think your children are and will be learning from the two of you about relationships?. Is this model really what you want to teach them?.

Simon - it is not simply a question of women being gullible; this type of abuse creeps up on people over time. She may well be reluctant to call this behaviour of his abuse (but his behaviour Belle towards you is abusive no two ways about it).

From WAs website:-
"Financial abuse is one form of control used by domestic violence perpetrators in order to gain power over their partner, and is the most direct way in which domestic violence and financial issues relate to each other. Financial abuse can take many different forms, but all are aimed at limiting and controlling the partner’s current and future actions and freedom of choice. For example, an abuser might do one or more of the following:

Interfere with her employment, education or training: for example, by preventing her from participating in paid work or education; or alternatively, insisting that she works, but hands over all her earnings to him.

Control access to all the household finances (including her own earnings/benefits): for example, by keeping control of bank accounts, credit cards, benefits, etc.; not giving her any money; and/or taking away any money/ resources she has of her own (including money for day-to-day housekeeping expenses, her savings, or other personal money); insisting she accounts for every penny she spends.

Steal from her and use the money for himself; or transfer joint assets into his own name.

Refuse to contribute to shared household expenses, including failing to pay regular bills despite agreeing to take responsibility for them; or building up debts in her name or joint names – sometimes without her knowledge (e.g. utility bills, which she thinks he has paid).

Insist she take out loans and credit in her own name, or force her to take on sole or joint responsibility for credit or loans beyond what she considers to be manageable.

Force her to take actions which are dishonest, illegal or against her own sense of right and wrong; for example, to claim benefits fraudulently, interfere with gas and electricity meters, become involved in prostitution, shoplifting, etc.

It is often very difficult for victims to recognise abuse which is of an economic or financial nature: it may develop slowly and insidiously, so that what at the outset could be seen perhaps as protectiveness can become increasingly controlling, and leave no outlet for an independent life of any kind. For example, a potential abuser might say something along
these lines:

I’ll take care of all the bills – you don’t need a bank account.

I earn enough for both of us, so you don’t need to work now: I’ll look after you.

While initially this might seem acceptable, it gives the one earning and paying the bills considerable power which could potentially be exploited in order to perpetrate abuse over the other partner.

Over-spending, and building up debts in the partner’s name or joint names can also develop slowly and – even if this is an intentional form of control – it may not become obvious for some time; for example –

Both victims and those supporting them may be reluctant to name this behaviour as “abuse”. Hence many women will have lived with it for many years, until the negative impact has become almost overwhelming.

AttilaTheMeerkat · 10/12/2014 17:14

Biding your time here just gives him more opportunity to control you even further. Its no real solution and an escape fund can take some considerable time to build up.

You need a plan to leave and asap to boot.

Tobyjugg · 10/12/2014 17:57

I planned to carry on claiming and to pay it back through dhs tax code. He wasn't happy about this

Why not for heaven's sake?

oswellkettleblack · 10/12/2014 20:43

'I am looking at back to work options but it isn't easy as childcare for 3dc is expensive.'

He is responsible for it, too, you know.

belle1974 · 12/12/2014 00:19

because he didn't want the hassle of completing a tax return. thank you for replies.

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SugarOnTop · 12/12/2014 03:12

invoice him for your services as a sahm...remember if you weren't doing them you would have to employ someone else to do it.

take it as a lesson learnt and NEVER give up your financial independence for a man

Mumoftwoyoungkids · 12/12/2014 04:26

The thing IMO about financial abuse is that it is possible to drift into it in a way it isn't for other types of abuse as what abuse is changes over the course of a relationship.

Whether you are on a first date or married with 3 kids it is abuse for someone to hit you.

But it is completely ok for the person you are on a first date with to have access to a lot more money than you do. But it is abuse in the married a 3 kids scenario.

Op - there are two routes you can go down. One is to leave him - he doesn't sound very nice at all. The other is get very strong and to push back - if he moans about the shopping bill suggest he has a go - if he does do it and then doesn't buy what you need then make sure he feels it ("sorry - it's beans on toast for the 4th night running for us - you only bought enough chicken for the kids"). If he's moaning about the credit card bill then go through it with him. Discuss where money is being wasted. Is there genuinely not enough money for cubs or is he prioritising buying stuff for himself?

If you do this then he will either get better about money or he will get worse. If he gets better and you want to stay - great. If he gets worse then you will be able to be sure that he is an abuser and leave.

Innocuoususername · 12/12/2014 04:48

OP I agree with what everybody else has said re the abuse, but wanted to make the practical point that regardless of him not wanting the hassle of a tax return Hmm, if you have a child under 12 (I think) you ought to continue to claim child benefit as doing so gives you National Insurance contributions while you are not in paid employment.

This is vital for protecting your entitlement to a full state pension. Bugger his bloody tax return, you need to protect yourself for the future.

Innocuoususername · 12/12/2014 04:56

In fact, why don't you start claiming again and use the money to save up a rental deposit so you can LTB.

IIRC you can just fill in the claim form and the higher rate tax payer doesn't need to know or sign anything at that point. By the time he needs to do this year's tax return you could be long gone.

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