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....Should I return to my wife who has accused me of abusing our child?

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IrishNoodles · 30/11/2014 16:13

I left my wife of 10 years just over a year ago now and it’s been a very difficult process. My wife is a beautiful, loving and caring woman who, because of the sexual abuse she herself suffered as a child, has had on going issues for as long as I have known her with social anxiety, trust, intimacy etc. When we met, as with all new long term relationships, she excited me beyond imagination and I fell in love with her very deeply and quickly. In our time together she has always been someone who suffered anxiety socially and I have helped her hugely along the way to cope. From the beginning she was very honest with me about the sex abuse she suffered as a child and I understood that she had received help for this, I too was always there as a shoulder to lean on when she needed it. Our marriage had been turbulent as various events along the way (abortions x 2, I wanted the child on both counts; no follow up counselling after either; very little intimacy following these for obvious reasons; money worries mainly arising from my businesses failure). She has always been very controlling and very volatile (very high and low mood swings) and in the last 7 years or so of our sex life was very infrequent (perhaps once every three weeks or so, and less often) - I always wanted intimacy, not just simply because I am a man, but rather because I loved her and fancied her like crazy, in all honesty, part of me still does to this day. Over years of constant rejection, this wears you down.

When our 9 year old boy was born (3 years into marriage), he was a ray of sunshine and we were naturally besotted - she is and was an amazing all consumed mother, perhaps to the detriment of not having a balanced life with other interests too, but still an amazing mum. When our 7 year old daughter was born (18 months later), she was equally beautiful and we were equally besotted. I'm a hands on Dad and I am always very involved with everything to do with our children. I love(d) every aspect of raring them, however things began to change whenever my wife would see me alone with my daughter. Sink baths, baths, bed time story routines as a baby and up until I left (when she was 6) turned into "do you have to clean her down there" or " do you have to clean her so intensely" or "you're hurting her" or "why are you lying so closely beside her", all said without good reason, all a mixture direct and/or passive aggressive and all very hurtful. Essentially over the years, it was obvious, she didn't trust me with our own daughter and it was beginning to affect my relationship with my daughter too. I was feeling guilty for doing the most innocent of things and my daughter herself was not as close to me as I felt she needed to be - the over protectiveness of her mother was rubbing off on her I believed. In truth, I was heartbroken that A) my wife could think I could do such a thing and B) because I felt my relationship with my daughter, whom I love(d) dearly, was being threatened. I was made to feel guilty about the most innocent of things and my wife and I had no longer a fully functioning marriage. I believe my own personality changed and I too became angry and aggressive in retaliation for her own controlling, accusatory and non-understanding attitude. Again, in truth, I still loved her very much and understood and believed strongly, that our marriage was failing as a result of the sexual abuse she suffered as a child and the resultant effects it had on her. Even amongst all the heart break, I wanted to help and understand. My professional life (I am and have been successful at work) really suffered as a result, I do believe you are only as successful outside of your home as you are within your home, and unfortunately I worked from home as a consultant!

I asked my wife to seek help many times over the years for her own sake and for us as a family, to this day she says she can’t remember my asking. We separated briefly for 1 month three years ago after I had had enough - I said that I would return once she sought help and that I needed to refocus on my own career. We attended Relate for 5 months or so and it was a huge help - I can honestly say, I fell back in love with her all over again and we were becoming close again. Relate counselling finished (I was very happy again) and after 1 month and after being out for dinner together, we went to a village dance where after too much to drink, my wife became intimate with another man, not sexually I don't believe, but engaged in pretty heavy kissing I understand. She was always so loyal, but how can a woman who refuses to be naturally intimate with her husband be so intimate with another. When it all sank in, being honest, it broke me, over the following months and year, I was slowly broken down. More counselling and sex counselling at Relate followed and it was suggested she needed her own private counselling, as I had always requested and suggested. Whilst on holiday 9 months later and after spending a fortune for a fabulous resort to treat us all and relax together, my wife accused me (passively aggressive, not direct) again of touching our daughter after she got herself covered in sand, was in pain as the sand got into her privates and I attempted to clean her down. This lead to arguments, drinking, aggression from her and, well, an end to the dream holiday I had planned. That was it I guess, the last straw and three months later having planned my exit, a nice rental property for my kids and I, we separated. Once again I said I was not closing the door but stated I could not live in a marriage where these accusations floated, where my relationship with my daughter was suffering, where I was suffering with guilt for no reason and where my professional life was being destroyed. The plan was to see the children 50/50, or so I hoped.

This separation has led to this past year of hell. A week after I left my wife self-harmed and/or attempted suicide after drinking heavily in the morning by cutting her wrists, on a Sunday after I had taken the children out to play for the day. She had written 3 suicide letters to our children, her Dad and her Mum, the saddest notes I have ever had to read, all stating how she could not live without her children full time. No letter was written to me. Whilst a section of her family hastily and aggressively pushed for solicitors involvement, I have managed to keep them at bay believing their involvement would only destroy her further - I am not interested in removing our children from her and believe strongly that they need her as much as she needs them, a woman in ill mental health does not need to be stressed with the possibility of having to fight for her children. There was never going to be a fight from me. At present we amicably see the children half the week each. A year of intensive therapy has followed, thankfully all under the supervision of a psychiatrist including 'family therapy' where I have attended each and every time - I will do anything and everything to help my wife, I love her, I feel I owe it to her and I feel I need and want to for the sake of our beautiful children. She has been diagnosed with bi-polar and is now beginning the long road of therapy under the direction of a clinical psychologist also alongside the psychiatrist, therapy she has always deserved and needed. I pray it works. She has just now returned to work after a year’s leave on medical grounds. No matter how hard it has been, I am determined if at all possible to have a good friendly relationship with my wife and again, at times I still love and want her very much, indeed I miss her.

My wife wants me back and for the sake of attempting a 'happy family' scenario 'one more time', part of me feels I could do it, my heart wants it......so does my bank balance. Another part of me, my head, tells me not too, I am too scared of a repeat, to scared of being hurt all over again, too scared of her attempting suicide if we break up again, too scared of the constant rejection, of being accused of being inappropriate with my daughter again (this has all stopped now, separate houses has made it so and my relationship with my daughter is better than it has ever been, we are best friends!!), too scared of the repeated aggression, lack of respect and fight towards each other and, I too, have found myself again, the old happy self who is confident without any self-guilt. I am not there yet, but I am slowly rebuilding my professional career also, the appetite for calculated risk and entrepreneurial flair is slowly returning.

I am now at the stage, 14 months on, where I want a relationship again with a woman. I want to love again and be loved.

I am right, am I not, to turn my back on this past relationship and to maintain whatever amicable friendship we have, and search out a new, fabulous and exciting romantic adventure with a whole new woman? Am I?

OP posts:
IrishNoodles · 01/12/2014 19:11

Drumdrum60 ; "She needed help and compassion not anger and aggression which would only compound her fears." and "Sounds to me as if you are maximizing your Dws problems so you can walk away guilt free. Bet you've met someone else."

Thank you for your comments Drumdrum. My wife received nothing but help and compassion from me for years before and after our children were born on issues relating to her sex abuse and the numerous side affects arising from it. However, after years of living with and trying to solve issues and aid & comfort a person who needs help from 'professionals' and that same person is in denial of it being needed, reality dawns in the end that partners can not be wholly responsible for or prevent their ill partners actions, and certainly not for their ill partners thoughts. Is a DW/DH responsible for a partner who is an alcoholic? Is a parent responsible for a child with a heroine addiction? Do they want to help? Yes, of course. Ca they solve the problem? No, they can not. Is a wife responsible for a husband who beats her? No, of course not. Is a woman responsible for a man who rapes her? No. So where exactly is your argument going with this?

Yes, there were moments of anger from me for her actions and accusations, but I am human, in most cases my own anger was in self defence and I have ended a marriage for all of these reasons, and importantly, to prevent my children from being influenced by a such a horrible atmosphere - I have nothing to hide, that's not to say that I don't have regrets, of course I do.

As for "only hearing one side of the story", maximising my DW's problems so I can walk away guilt free, and I've most likely met someone else............wow, I have never heard such nonsense. Aren't all treads one sided to seek advice from those who are not connected to achieve balanced feedback? I won't lower myself to answer my 'need to walk away guilt free' - it's not like anyone wins. And have I met some one else? No, my life right now is far too complicated to even contemplate a relationship, as much as I would like moments of one.

I accept your questioning tone though, it's healthy debate. You should avoid being accusatory though, situations like these are not black and white, there are no winners and my wife is ill. A victim of child abuse? Yes. A victim of me? No.

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Drumdrum60 · 01/12/2014 19:24

Sorry I did not mean to accuse you. I thought there might be another side to this story. And I have no idea why you put that you're simple. I thought it was patronising but I may be wrong of course. I'm sorry you are all going through this and feel incredibly sorry for your wife who despite her difficulties wanted her family to work. What mother doesn't ?

DadsnotBad · 01/12/2014 19:38

DadsNotBad - previously "IrishNoodles."

Drumdrum60 - I'm not quite sure what "From one simple mans point of view...........to me that outed you"? It doesn't make sense?

Thank you for feeling for my wife, I respect that wholly and your view. I just can not control how my wife thinks, acts or feels? I, like my DW, do not want any of this, especially to break up my family. Believe me when I say, I am heartbroken by the entire situation.

Apologies to all for my repeated posts above, I didn't realise the posts went onto separate numeric pages. Doh!

Drumdrum60 · 01/12/2014 19:44

From my POW it didn't sound sincere. That is my simple woman's opinion. Just sounded odd.

SmillasSenseOfSnow · 01/12/2014 19:51

It sounded odd to me too.

As for my own love life, well, we all want one don't we, and I am certainly no different. Once all of this has died down (as much as feasibly possible, but again I won't let time rule me as a controlling mechanism she still holds over me), I feel I am in a good place personally to feel that buzz again. In fact, I am feeling very positive indeed about the future and who knows who might just walk into mine! I do long for that mutual and meaningful relationship and I'm excited that it will now be with some one new, a whole new adventure to look forward to and experience!

This all reads as you having met someone and wanting permission from others to go for it. If your situation with your wife is as you describe then it's difficult to see why you shouldn't move on. But obviously if you have met someone and are seeking permission, it raises doubts about whether you'll have presented the situation truthfully.

This isn't an accusation, just an explanation of how it reads.

badbaldingballerina123 · 01/12/2014 19:59

I agree that life is not black and white and that people do things when unwell that they ordinarily wouldn't. However it seems obvious that the wife had issues right from the beginning. I'm wondering Op , and I don't mean this unkindly , what attracted you to someone who had so many issues.

Drumdrum60 · 01/12/2014 20:08

Agree with Smill. All a bit too one sided. Also I don't think it's fair to compare your wives illness with addiction. You trying to make yourself sound like a perfect person OP.

DadsnotBad · 02/12/2014 00:19

Oh Drumdrum60, none of us are perfect and I certainly am not. I have my faults, many I am sure, like everyone else, and I also have my positives, of that I am sure too. I feel in my OP I have been very fair in my description of both my wife and of I and I make no apologies for anything I have said.

SmillasSenseOfSnow - I'm not quite sure how many times one can say 'I have not met anyone' for others to believe it, but all said, I'm not one who needs permission from strangers to seek approval, I have a very close family and a very close circle of friends who can approve or disapprove of what I am doing without my taking offence.

I guess what I am doing here is simply asking the question from a larger unbiased group, your opinion if I my decision to leave my wife was the right one and if so, then its not unreasonable to seek out a new relationship thereafter. I believe I can have and grow romantic thoughts out of a dark place without being seen or judged as someone who has an alternative motive. But then I'm a very positive person where my glass is always half full and I can see solutions in the darkest of situations. Perhaps those who would doubt this are either very negative and mistrusting them selves in their own lives and personal relationships, or are simply not open to the romantic ideals of finding that one unique person who can make our lives happier and more fulfilling?

sykadelic · 02/12/2014 00:28

Copied as pasted from your other thread:

I think the answer is an easy one.

Who is happy right now?

  • You
  • Your kids
  • Your wife

Who was happy before?

  • ??

It's great that your wife is doing better but it doesn't change the past. It doesn't change whose happiness is at risk. It doesn't change the immense risk. You wouldn't just be risking your happiness and the happiness of your kids, you would be risking your relationship with them.

You can't baby her, it's very patronising as she's an adult, but that doesn't mean you should be a bull in a china shop either.

The first stop should be getting officially divorced. This would be the first step to you finding someone else. Remember you do not need to tell her that you're dating. You might need help to introduce the idea of the kids meeting the new person to her though...

Best of luck

LittleBairn · 02/12/2014 00:32

I would not return to the marriage. If it doesn't work our again her mental health could get even worse. How could you trust someone who belived you sexually assault your own DC?

DadsnotBad · 02/12/2014 08:16

Thank you for your advice Sykadelic and LittleBairn , very much appreciated.

DadsnotBad · 02/12/2014 09:56

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