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Ex wants to leave the country with our children

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Lucielocket42 · 24/11/2014 22:38

We split 3 yrs ago, we stayed in the same apartment for 1 year until he finally gave his permission for me to leave Sweden with our children and go home to my family after months of emotional tourment and putting up with his drunken nights out and his aggressive behaviour towards me and the kids.
He made a fuss a few months later because he couldn't afford to pay to come over very often and pay to stay in hotels so I made a deal with him that he could stay in my home providing he kept to an agreement of a visit once a month and stuck to it. Then in January I met someone and then it got difficult I had to give up my bed to him and stay with my partner as sofa wasn't any Good for sleeping on, come back next day and spend time with them etc but then he got comfortable and wanted me out of the way completely so I tried to give home more space. In the summer him and his mother had paid for us all to go on a family holiday although we erent together we thought we could manage it, up until the holiday we had an understanding that we never say anything negative or horrible about each other to the kids, now they spent the whole holiday interfering and not so much as letting me talk to them or tell them what to do, I hated it and there was so much disloyalty going on that my opinion has changed.
Their father went to Borneo after and the visited end of October, announcing that he wants to take them for Christmas the whole week and every other year, I said no I don't want to spend Christmas without the kids and that he was welcome to come and spend Christmas here like last year, now he has warmed to the idea, he announces that he will come 23-27th Dec and take them to Sweden for 8 days after.
I don't trust him he's already planned it with his mum, he didn't ask just told me, when is said no he said you have to I have rights. My children are 5&9yrs they don't want to go and my youngest won't last two days without me and he doesn't really know them. Plus he does dumb things like let my 9 yr old take her sister to the local shop so I don't trust him either.
I'm wondering what my rights are do I automatically have sole custody as we have been in the UK for over 2 yrs, they still have Swedish passports. Can he take them, what if I agreed and he never brought them back? I think they are too young is my argument, when they are older I will let them go with him but now is not the time.

Please any advice, can I get anything set in stone with a lawyer? What would you do?

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LadyIsabellaWrotham · 26/11/2014 00:23

Sweden is one thing, but what's the deal with Borneo? There's a huge difference between letting DC visit a parent in a EU Hague convention country, and an ex with significant links to another, non-Hague (I'm guessing) country on the other side of the world. If there's any risk at all that he'd head off there then I'd refuse.

LuannDelaney · 26/11/2014 00:36

daisyflowerchain you were old enough to have children with him, so let him parent. (Paraphrased).
The op hasn't given enough away to judge, but if he was abusive to her or her dc your comment reeks.

Bogeyface · 26/11/2014 02:19

Borneo has not ratified the Hague convention and therefore if he takes them on a plane to Sweden and then straight onto another plane to Borneo (via wherever) there is slim to no chance of getting them back. If he books his tickets so they can stay airside then it will be even harder as they will not have officially entered Sweden.

No is a sentence.....as is living your life without your children.

EBearhug · 26/11/2014 03:07

Borneo is an island. The countries it is divided into are Malaysia, Brunei and Indonesia. You'll need to check those to know whether they're part of the Hague convention.

Also, I'd want to know which bit he's going to and which travel jabs are needed. Before I went, I needed boosters for polio, tetanus and diphtheria, as well as inoculation for Hepatitis A&B, and there might have been one or two others. I needed anti-malarials. (I was camping in the jungle for a few months, rather than staying in town.) I'd be looking into seeing if he's really considering their welfare, if there's been no request to take them to a travel clinic in preparation. I think I needed at least a month in advance to fit on all the different injections, so if he were intending to take them at Christmas, it's cutting it fine.

But see a lawyer first.

diddl · 26/11/2014 07:59

Op has put that there was "aggressive behaviour" from him to both her & the children.

She also put that he slept at hers & she slept at her partners, & I wondering where the kids were then.

If at the house with there dad, then surely she trusts him with them to some extent?

if with her at her partners & just seeing their father with her, then maybe not si much!

slowcoach44 · 29/11/2014 11:36

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diddl · 29/11/2014 11:53

He has let OP move to another country & has visited every month.

If I have read correctly, she now leaves the kids overnight with him whilst she sleeps elsewhere.

That suggests a level of trust imo.

Seems shit to now say that he can't take them away to his home country to visit.

he's trusted her to take the kids where she said she would & stay there.

Lucielocket42 · 01/12/2014 14:22

Ok thanks all for your responses but let me put a few things straight for those who think I'm a shit. My children don't want to go my oldest daughter says after seeing daddy's behaviour on holiday during the summer (where we all went including his mother) she hates him. Until this holiday all was amicable and we were friends hence him staying in the house, I said he could visit when ever as long as he gave me notice. Now he's threatening me telling me I'm taking them on this date whether you like it or not we have 50/50 and there's nothing you can do about it. He came to my house last 2 times and told me to get lost I want time with the kids. I have given him space hence not being there. Now I'm going to tell him he has to stay in a hotel, I won't give up my bed anymore why should I if it's causing accusations that I want to be off with partner, silly really because it doesn't matter I can just gave my appartment back instead..... I won't be bullied I've done nothing wrong...

OP posts:
Lucielocket42 · 01/12/2014 14:25

Obviously there will be a time maybe in a year or so where they will travel away to Sweden but now is not the time. I never said I would stop him taking them to Sweden.

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bloodyteenagers · 01/12/2014 14:42

He needs a calculator. Rocking up once a month isn't 50/50

Don't let him in your home. You don't have to. He has no legal rights to be in your home, as he is not on the tenancy. He pays for a hotel.

As for a holiday. Yes when he can proof that he can take care of all the children's needs and this also includes their emotional well being. Plus, you want to know where they are going.

Despite what he thinks, he cannot just take the children out for a holiday. He also needs your written permission.

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