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Confused and upset. Again.

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Justtheonemore · 24/11/2014 13:21

My husband and I have always had a rocky relationship. I've written asking for advice before. Things got to a point where I felt the need to say, and mean, if things didn't change we needed to end our marriage. Maybe something struck him as different because things were better, much better than they had been, for a long time. Well, until September really.
I'm not sure exactly what altered, it was subtle if there was anything, but I just became irritated that I didn't have the pass code to his phone. It had never even occurred to me before so I do wonder if I subconsciously picked up on a shift in his behaviour, although looking back I still can't see it as he's always attached to his phone. However, suddenly it bothered me that if I picked up his phone and asked to borrow it, instead of telling me the code, he'd take it back and unlock it then pass it back. Then one night, I saw him unlock it and something spurred me into writing down the code. I checked his phone when he'd had a drink and I knew he wouldn't wake. I'm not proud, in fact I hate the fact I did it and wasn't in the habit of checking it. There was nothing there. All ok. Except the next day, he nipped out for 5 minutes and left his phone charging. Something compelled me to check it again. And there were messages from that morning to a woman. The first asked if he'd overstepped the mark, telling her he thought she looked amazing. The next couple flattered her, saying she must have men all over her, then (as she was hungover) in two separate messages (in case she didn't get it the first time) he told her she needed good sex to feel better. Obviously, this caused seemingly endless arguments for a few weeks. He said he was just trying to make her feel better (which hurt as he very rarely compliments me), that the rest was jokey banter. Eventually I decided to believe him. Mainly because, whilst being a complete shit over the years in other areas, I've never had cause to suspect him of anything like this.
Fast forward to this weekend. We went out separately, had good nights respectively. Got in around the same time. And he began a huge argument about me being annoyed a few days ago (because everything domestic and child related falls to me and I was pissed off about it!). He hardly spoke to me yesterday, and this morning has been texting me demanding to know who the man I was speaking to was (I was speaking to a man, a friend of my friend. But not for any real length of time, and about our children), what his name is, asking me to fine this person on Facebook. Telling me I was nuts as there were a set of rules for him, one for me. That he was glad he knew 'the rules' now, he could talk to other women whilst out. I told him it sounded like he felt guilty about something and was projecting. Which didn't go down well.
I'm so tired of him treating me like I'm constantly sleeping around. I went out a few weeks ago (again, at the same time as him) and he didn't text or speak to me once. Until he got home first and I wasn't there. Then I go no end of phone calls, texts, name calling, telling me to sleep with as many people as I liked, and he left his key in the door so I couldn't get in. Sad part is, I'm so used to it I preempted his actions and took the side door key.
So now, despite me doing nothing untoward, I'm getting accusations and nastiness. Again. And he just brushes off what he did. And on top of that, someone I know must have reported back that I had a conversation with a male as there isn't another way he'd know about it. Because why would he? It was a conversation about my gorgeous with no physical contact in a packed pub.
He just somehow has a way of making me feel bad about myself.

Sorry, its so long and now I'm worried I'm making a mountain out of a molehill and me feeling wretched is me overreacting. Can't get a thought straight in my head.

OP posts:
AMumInScotland · 24/11/2014 15:14

You locked him out because you were worried about his behaviour when drunk.
In retaliation, he locks you out for daring to be out later than him.

You challenged him over his unacceptable conversations with another woman.
In retaliation he challenges you having any conversations with other men.

When you try to get him to behave differently he says you are trying to control him.
But he finds ways to make you question yourself when your behaviour is not problematic to an outsider, and somehow knows that you spoke to another man in a pub.

This is not a healthy dynamic. I don't know if he's cheating or not, but I don't think that's the problem here anyway. The problem is that he does not treat you the way that anyone should treat their partner.

ofmiceandmen · 24/11/2014 15:23

I'm afraid you're facing the classical pincer movement. with a dash of One-upmanship.

The classical signs he is fertile ground for an emotional affair or worse.

You want to spend 'us' time - it's control
You don't want him to inappropriately speak to women - he doesn't want you to speak to any man at all
You want family time - he's a martyr

At this point he needs a metaphorical slap! he's in the me me me zone.

Windywinston · 24/11/2014 15:37

He sounds awful OP. He certainly doesn't respect you. I don't know a single person who would lock their partner out of the house as punishment. You're the mother of his children and he couldn't have given two shits what happened to you that night - as long as you didn't talk to another man of course.

He has a set of rules for him and another for you. I suspect his jealousy and controlling behaviour stems from his own guilt for overstepping the mark himself.

You say that there's not a lot of spare time with having 5 children, but then you say he goes out on Saturdays with his friends. Where's the effort to do things together?

I think you love him because you're so worn down by all of this you no longer believe you deserve better. You absolutely do.

Phalenopsis · 24/11/2014 15:47

I told him it sounded like he felt guilty about something and was projecting

I think you're bang on here.

I'm struggling to see any good in this man. You should be able to talk to whomever you bloody well like! He doesn't respect you or even like you much from you've posted.

It sounds as though he likes having you confused and upset - He's in control then isn't he?

bestfriendActually · 24/11/2014 18:17

Justtheonemore have you thought about some counseling just for yourself? You deserve so much better than this & i think you need to get to the bottom of why you're accepting this shoddy treatment!

Justtheonemore · 25/11/2014 10:02

Good morning. Thank you for your replies. Sorry I'm only just answering, I worked until late last night.

Knowing that others see things the way I see them helps. His insistence that its me that's screwed up in the head, that its me that has issues because no matter what he does its not good enough, somehow it confuses me and makes me doubt myself when I think things are unacceptable.
That's his stock answer.....if I'm upset about him rarely telling me he loves me, rarely showing affection (in fairness, he never really has. His parents relationship is much the same, but at the beginning he recognised this issue and made an effort to be different), about him leaving the bulk of home life to me....his answer is always nothing he does is good enough. But how could it be when he does nothing, or nothing that requires effort.
He's not speaking to me, being very cold towards me. I'm not sure if this is punishment, or if he really is leaving this time. Before the silent treatment he said we should make Christmas really special this year as he wouldn't get another Christmas morning with them. Does he mean it, or is he playing games? I don't know. The truth is I don't want him to go. But I don't want him to stay either. Not like this. And its always like this. He won't change, he doesn't think he has to. I think he believes he's right in his jealousy, that its provoked? And that his lack of affection is just him.
I just want him to love me. To really love me.
I'm scared of splitting up. I'm not scared of the day to day stuff, I'm used to managing the children, the house, work. Life in that way wouldn't change much at all. But I'm scared of the loneliness. I'm scared of being surrounded by people but still feeling lonely. But then I feel lonely a lot now anyway. I'm scared of how much its going to hurt, being proven right that he doesn't care, that I'm heartbroken and he feels nothing. I'm scared of the thought that it is me and he'd be happy with someone else, he'd be able to be what I want him to be with someone else. Knowing it was always just me would crush me.

I asked him to go for counselling but he absolutely wouldn't. I've never considered it for myself, but my self esteem is quite literally in the gutter. There's not much I like about myself, I feel like I'm failing everyone. And that makes me sad, I used to be a confident person.

Sorry if I'm rambling, my mind is racing.

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PeppermintPasty · 25/11/2014 10:25

You've answered all your own questions Sad

You already feel lonely, you're right. He won't show you affection, but he never really has, and won't change by the sounds of it.

You don't want him to go, but you don't want him to stay like this.

So....this is about you coming to terms with what you've got here. The relationship you so dearly want and need, is distinctly lacking. You need to get to a place in your head where you feel you are worth more than this shit. Of course you deserve love, with no game playing. You deserve respect.

Have you thought about going to see a solicitor maybe, for a bit of free legal advice? It might be one small step on the road to taking no more of this rubbish.

ofmiceandmen · 25/11/2014 11:20

In my opinion .. based on your last update .. this is no longer about him. He has checked out of this relationship and so waiting for the pin to drop (which is what you are doing) is not going to help.

Wok on yourself now Op. grow as a person, live life, get new experiences, form RL friends and build up your own career etc. Whether it's training, online courses, and starting an outside of the house activity (even with the kids).

As you grow within yourself, you will find that his game playing no longer has the same affect.
That the being locked out becomes a non issue because the kids will be with friends and you can go to a hotel.
That eventually you no longer have that need for him.

and the odd thing is once these things start to happen - he will want you the way you want him to want you. But by then you won't want him.

Take control back Justtheonemore .. because in the end, this is all a control game in his head.

Jan45 · 25/11/2014 15:56

Everyone is scared when they end a relationship or are dumped, it's really horrible and frightening. Is better to take that risk than stay feeling unfulfilled and you are definitely not getting what you deserve, by a long way, your feelings of dissatisfaction and resentment won't disappear, they will get worse, unless of course, you put your big brave pants on and at least give it a go, you can always get back together again if it feels like a mistake but don't sell yourself short like this.

Saywhaaaa · 25/11/2014 23:11

Read Why does he do that by Lundy Bancroft. It opens your eyes and I guarantee you will feel stronger. He's got you confused, so you can't see his tactics clearly.
Read it, get indignant and concentrate on yourself and enjoying your life. Like another poster said once he sees that you have detached from his games, he'll try to hook you back in.
P.S I think he is a cheat and has double standards.
Build your self esteem and dump his sorry ass.
Good luck, I'm rooting for you.

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