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I don't even know where to start.

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nevercackle · 06/11/2014 10:47

Sorry this is really long, but i don't want to drip feed and need to get this all out.

Maybe i should start here: My parents divorced 20 years ago after a horrible marriage. My dad cheated, she took him back, they hated each other and finally split much to the relief of us kids who were teenagers by then. The divorce was horrible and everyone fell out. I was the only sibling able to maintain a relationship with both parents and siblings but it was horrendous. I grew up in a loveless household and both parents were manipulative. The divorce was the best outcome.

Since then although I don't live nearby or at times even in the same country, I've been my mum's support. She's never gone a day without banging on about how hard done by she was, about how awful my dad was/is and the cheating blah blah blah. I stuck by her. I accepted her new partner as my step dad a few years later, and then helped her through his sudden death a while later. I spoke publicly at his funeral, took her to pray with his body at the morgue. I have been there for her at every turn and defended her to the hilt. There has been a role reversal and I have felt more like her mother than her daughter.

Now she's ill. It's going to be a long drawn out process of mental and physical deterioration. I supported her through a suicide attempt. I have helped her to plan for the future and put support in place to help her keep her independence for as long as possible. I have learned to tolerate her rambling about my cheating father, but it's not easy. Challenged, she flies into a rage, suicide threats, utter devastation. I have learned to manage her in a way by steering the conversation.

Last week she had an old friend from the town we grew up in to visit for a week. Fine. My brother told me is was very cosy and they might be getting together. All very nice.

This week she announces he's moving in to be her carer.

To justify that it's not rushing in, she drops the bomb that they actually had an affair for about a year when she was married to my dad.

So now here I am, feeling very hurt.

How dare she play the victim? How dare she manipulate me in to believing she was the innocent party to my dad's cheating? It's not like the subject of infidelity never came up, she's been banging on about it for years.

I'm so upset I can't speak to her. I feel embarrassed not just that probably people in the town must have known that she was a slut, but that I have defended her to the rest of the family who now get to laugh and point at just what a fool I've been. And believe me they will.

My brother tells me, she wants to ask my opinion on her boyfriend moving in, but that it seems her mind is made up. She is oblivious to the effect her revelation has had, as if it is inconsequential. I haven't spoken to her.

So what do I do now? She's an adult, can do as she pleases, infact if she's found love that's great. I'm happy for her. But how do I move on from the lies and deceit when she's mentally unable to cope with a proper discussion or even to cope with hearing how upset I am without downing a pint of paracetamol tablets. Or what about when he realises she's a complete fruit loop now and changes his mind. Who picks up the pieces?

I'm such an idiot. I want to walk away from all of the family now. This has opened up old wounds about my dad and siblings too and I want out.

Fuuuuuck.

My younger brother said the nicest thing to me yesterday when I said I feel such a fool. He said that nobody will think I'm a fool, just that I am a better daughter than she is a mother. Sad

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lemisscared · 06/11/2014 11:54

Let go of the slut thing as its not accurate. A hypocrit and toxic but i hate that word.

nevercackle · 06/11/2014 11:56

I have power of attorney.

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dadwood · 06/11/2014 11:58

Great!

nevercackle · 06/11/2014 11:58

I am venting. I am calling her all sorts of names in my head.

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FelicityGubbins · 06/11/2014 11:59

Vent away, God knows I did at some of the tricks my mother pulled...

nevercackle · 06/11/2014 11:59

but power of attorney is only of use if she hasn't got the capacity herself.

she's still fairly convincing in normal conversation although has forgotten stuff, reinvented the past, and struggles to hold any meaningful conversation. very repetitive now.

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dadwood · 06/11/2014 12:02

A solicitor would know how to ascertain her capacity for decision.

nevercackle · 06/11/2014 12:07

capacity will depend on which decision is to made on a case by case basis. i've worked in capacity decisions in the past. she still has capacity. she could walk into a solicitors and rewrite her will and cash in any investments and sell her house and there really would be nothing I could do. capacity has little to do with making the right decision, just that she understands the consquences of her decision.

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dadwood · 06/11/2014 12:14

I see

nevercackle · 06/11/2014 12:21

i think the advice to make some space between us for a while is probably what i need to do for my own sanity.

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nicenewdusters · 06/11/2014 12:38

I'm surprised anyone has picked the op up on the slut comment. I found the op so shocking I didn't even notice it so had to reread it. I appreciate some people object to the word, but in the circumstances I think the op has been very restrained in describing her feelings.

I agree with the pp who suggested using this time, whilst your mum has another carer, to take stock and come to terms with what's happened.

Your brother is a legend for his comment to you. It doesn't deal with your anger but how good to have acknowledged what a fantastic job you've done as a daughter. You've clearly broken any cycle or chain started by your parents there.

ChippingInAutumnLover · 06/11/2014 12:45

Never Brew Cake & a few deep, very deep breaths.

Your younger brother is right, you are a better daughter than she is a mother.

As you say, you have no idea whether she actually had an affair with him or if it's something she's concocted now to make this relationship seem less 'hurried'. He's a widower of a year, he's in no place to be doing this either - a car crash in the wings I think!

I can totally understand why you feel you have been manipulated by her & why you feel hurt, but can you, for your own sanity try to take a step back. She's clearly not well, she's clearly a right fucking mess tbh and has been for a long time. You have done your best. You are not a fool, you have just loved her as best you could.

I think I could get past this simply because she's always been a mess iyswim. If she hadn't been and this had come out I'd have felt much more hurt & upset.

If I were you I'd stick it in the 'she's nucking futs' box, withdraw to a safe vantage point and keep an eye on her, but don't lose yourself into her life.

nevercackle · 06/11/2014 12:47

thank you. it is the nicest thing i think anyone in my family has ever said to me.

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nevercackle · 06/11/2014 12:51

thank you.

i know you're all right. (that's why i'm here).

to think, she's always said how strong i was not to fall for my dads blatant manipulation efforts. (he once told me how odd he found it that i had a relationship with her and the others didnt when she was the one who always hated me the most). odfod.

her manipulation feels far more sophisticated.

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nevercackle · 06/11/2014 13:38

so far in terms of my behaviour, i've spoken to my brother about how i feel, a good friend and spewed all over this thread.

i am angry and hurt and feel foolish (even if logically like you say i shouldn't).

oh and i've ignored the phone ringing for two days Grin

and hugged my children extra tight.

she can bloody wait while i get myself together before i deal with her.

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BarbarianMum · 06/11/2014 13:50

If your mum watched your dad cheat on her year after year after year and finally turned to someone else - for love/comfort or even revenge - then I'd still see her as a victim tbh. Certainly she and your father had a very dark and twisted relationship.

Flowers Sorry you are going through this.

nevercackle · 06/11/2014 13:58

as far as i am aware he cheated once and got caught, i don't think it lasted very long either. of course, there may have been others, I don't know.

but she made the decision to take him back, but never moved on and the bitterness ate them both up in the end.

they should never have been together in the first place, they both admit to not being in love at any point, just pregnant.

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nevercackle · 06/11/2014 14:03

this should all be ancient history, its laughable that i'm sitting here crying at the age of 37, when they should have divorced when i was 9.

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dadwood · 06/11/2014 14:05

Hurt isn't laughable, it's personal!

nevercackle · 06/11/2014 14:06

i really wish i'd called this thread, i don't know where to start, how about 1986?' Smile

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BarbarianMum · 06/11/2014 14:07

My parents 'stayed together for the sake of the children' too (and are still together and extremely unhappy now). It wasn't until I married and had childen myself that I really realised how messed up their relationship was and how it has affected me. I went through a phase of being really angry with my mother (have been angry with my dad for years) which was actually quite helpful. Not that I ever told her.

nevercackle · 06/11/2014 14:15

'staying together for the sake of the children' is very damaging for everyone involved imo.

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saintsandpoets · 06/11/2014 14:33

Agree, I switched off after the slut comment too.

I'd also like to point out, that whilst mutual cheating isn't good, to be cheated on always hurts. Your mother's pain over the years will have been genuine, and she will have been pining for what could have been with your Dad.

I feel sorry for her. And also you. I think you should have checked out emotionally a long time ago like your siblings who aren't nearly as distressed by this.

Gawjushun · 06/11/2014 14:37

I don't have any useful advice sadly, but I will say I admire how well adjusted you are despite this toxic upbringing. I hope you can get some distance and focus on yourself. Take care.

nevercackle · 06/11/2014 14:41

other siblings not distressed as they don't actually know. but yes, perhaps they were right all along. how nice for them.

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