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Is it time to leave DH - arguing/silent treatment/DDs fed up with it all

51 replies

bd38 · 04/11/2014 01:48

Where do I start! Sorry it's so long!

My DH and I are not talking again - it's a regular occurrence, I can't discuss anything with him without it turning into an argument and then I get the silent treatment for up to a week or more sometimes. During these times, he is overly chatty and nice to our DDs. If he is annoyed with our 18yr DD, he is then nice to me and gives her the silent treatment. However, now my DDs are 18 and 13, they are more vocal and have spoken to me about their Dads constant moods, the cold atmosphere and tension he creates, but also with visitors if he is not in the mood, which is most of the time. My family give me advanced warning if they are "popping" round as they know what he is like. He doesn't like one of my friends because she is "loud" - I assure you she is a lovely person, just very outgoing and chatty. I can only invite her over if he is out.

My 18 year old said she hates the atmosphere when he is around. She is aware of the favouritism he shows towards my 13 year old, it is so obvious. He is all smiles and attentive to her, but cold and inattentive to my 18 year old and me mostly. Gives genuine praise to younger DD but half-hearted interest to my 18 year old. I have pointed this out to him but he denies he is any different.

Both my DDs say how much more relaxed and happy the atmosphere is when he is not around. There is a 14 year age gap between us, we have been together 20 years but got married 2 years ago. He has always been jealous/possessive of me and it has stopped me doing certain things, like girly weekends away with other mums, as I know he will just be very moody/tense. He shows jealousy if I go out with friends and says I prefer spending time with my friends than the family - I would add that I go out about once every 3 months in the evening with friends! I thought by marrying he would feel secure with me.

Also I feel I have to damp down having happy conversations with my DDs, especially my 18 DD, as he has been known to make snide comments like "you're a parent, not their friends"; "I might as well not be here"! When the girls were younger and me and him were not talking, he would be overly nice to them, chatting and laughing and if I tried to join in, he would say, "I wasn't talking to you, you always have to interrupt my conversations...".

Even if we are "fine", he might start a convo directed at younger DD and I will join in and he raises his eyes to heaven/makes a comment which then results in silence at the dinner table.

I have suggested relationship counselling over the years, but he refused. I went to one myself years ago, but felt we both needed to be there and he wouldn't discuss my meeting with the councillor.

I have put up with him for the sake of our DDs but my eldest has actually said to me why don't you leave him, it would be much better and happier without him. My youngest now stands up to him, and tells him to snap out of his mood, intervenes in "discussions" to make her point and I am concerned that it is now affecting them, and I have done the wrong thing staying with him for their sakes, as what they have experienced is a dysfunctional relationship and not a happy home most of the time.

He is and always has been a hard worker, taking providing for his family very responsibly and I cannot fault him there. However, I have only ever had maternity leave and worked since I was 16. I worked part time while my DDs were young and went back to full time 2 years ago and have a very good job so contribute equally to mortgage etc. I would be able to manage financially without him so that is not an issue for which I am very lucky. He would also be fine as he has his own business.

My 18 year old said she would love to move out because of her Dad but doesn't earn enough yet but is working full time so is of no financial burden to us.

We have been at the separating point before, but the time never seems right so as not to "ruin" some milestone for our DDs or family event, but I don't think there ever will be a right time. He has children from his previous marriage, who I get on very well with, and his siblings, so I am dreading the fall-out from that if we do separate.

Reading this through, I think I know the answer but just want some opinions - does anyone have a similar experience and what did you do for the best to resolve it?

OP posts:
Fabulassie · 04/11/2014 09:49

And I agree with whoever said not to tell him you're going to leave. He'll just fuck with you, as he clearly has to control you. As it is, once you make up your mind to leave he will sense the change in you and he will try to get you back under his thumb, emotionally. Give him as little to work with as possible.

I promise you that if you were to leave him tomorrow, you will be MUCH happier in one year. Oh, sure, there will be moments of doubt and he will undoubtably be an arse about things... but once you are free you will be so much happier. That's a promise.

Stupidhead · 04/11/2014 09:54

Do you know what? Don't do it 1st Jan. Start planning now. Think of the happy, relaxed Christmas you and DDs can have for once, just the three of you.

If you move out then start looking for a flat to rent now. Gather your things bit by bit, odds and ends here and there. Go for it.

however · 04/11/2014 10:14

He sounds like a milder version of my stepfather. He was the master of emotional abuse and a jealous man.

You wouldn't see me for dust.

AnyFawker · 04/11/2014 10:28

OK, on my laptop now so I can type a bit more

OP, I know you are still reading.

My father was (still is) a class A prick all my childhood. He has a chip on his shoulder and was jealous of his own kids. I did well at school/Uni purely to spite the fucker.

He has treated my mother badly for years. The usual cycles of nice/nasty. She actually left once, but he pulled her back with empty promises and pointless gifts.

We only live a few miles apart but I have limited contact with both of them and I told her many years ago she made her choice. I don't like to breathe the same air as him, so I do not visit and they hardly know their almost adult grandchildren.

She is now stuck with him as they enter old age and still he belittles and makes a fool of himself.

Don't be that woman. he isn't worth losing the only relationship worth hanging onto no matter what...that with your daughters.

Joysmum · 04/11/2014 13:35

Really hope you're ok OP Thanks

Jan45 · 04/11/2014 13:41

Shocked at how bad it is, you need to get planning and get away from this horrible, horrible person, simple as that.

PhoebeMcPeePee · 04/11/2014 13:52

End it now. There's not one good reason to continue living like this & you're at serious risk of losing your daughter Hmm

queenoftheknight · 04/11/2014 13:54

Divide and RULE. Nice. :(

Get out. He is an abuser. Do it for your girls. they NEED to see you act.

AgathaF · 04/11/2014 15:43

Exactly what queenoftheknight said. Your DDs need to see you do the right thing here. That is, putting them first and moving them away from him, and showing them that you, and they, are worth more than this.

AesSedai · 04/11/2014 17:37

When I was 23 I finally finally confronted my Father about yet another 'silence' - this one would stretch over Christmas. Yet again my Mother had 'upset' him in his eyes. I took my courage in my hands and said I couldn't stand it any more. He shrugged and told me ask my Mother what was wrong. Yet again my Mother was in tears. She didn't know either.

3 days later my father dropped dead from a heart attack. How can a 23 year old feel guilty and relieved at the same time? Yet I did.

In the ensuing years my Mother came out of the shadows and became her own person. Please don't put your daughters through any more.

bd38 · 04/11/2014 23:18

Hi everyone, I will reply individually when I get on my laptop, very busy day at work, but just to thank you all for your replies which made me very emotional, but I also feel so much stronger and the replies from children of similar situations has helped immensely in my decision to finish this as my two girls are my pride and joy and their happiness is paramount to me. I told my eldest about my plans and she was so happy, said she will even share a room with her sis if we can't afford a 3 bed house/flat. Following your sound advice of planning as much as possible before telling him of my intentions, I have been in touch with an estate agent for a valuation on our house on Friday (my day off) and appt with building society Friday. I feel so much more positive already and supported and confident from all your replies, the only way is up! THANK YOU ALL for your time and advice and support, so very grateful Flowers

OP posts:
AnyFawker · 04/11/2014 23:49

Go you !

Joysmum · 05/11/2014 01:31

Good for you, your girls will benefit immensely for it.

Fabulassie · 05/11/2014 06:26

Please don't feel obligated to reply individually! You're going to be very busy!

I'm glad to hear your daughter is on board with this.

I really think you're doing the right thing.

mummytime · 05/11/2014 06:30

Things to book for Friday's: a chat with a solicitor,many CAB if you can.

Madamecastafiore · 05/11/2014 06:46

Do you really want to look back in 20 years time and this have been your life?

Do you not deserve more than this?

As for not leaving because of milestones, having a shit birthday is a drop in the ocean compared to living with this sort of shit day in day it.

Happily it seems that your kids are aware that this is abnormal rather than the relationship you have shown them is the Norma no something they should be seeking it. It could so easily have been the other way and they see this as normal.

GoatsDoRoam · 05/11/2014 08:38

Getting down to the practicalities is the perfect thing to do: it will move you towards your goal, and focus your time and energy away from mulling.

Well done. Stay strong.

TheHoneyBadger · 05/11/2014 08:46

well done for taking some practical steps - it helps things to feel real and possible i think. people often bury themselves in can't because of x, y and z and then avoid finding out anything about x, y and z because deep down they know that x, y and z will be sortable and are just excuses they're clinging to.

on the flipside the minute you start arming yourself with knowledge and facts options and possibilities open up in front of you and you build confidence that everything is doable.

now just picture having a cosey little home with your girls and now high drama and sulking and tiptoeing around an arse. bet you'll have a lovely christmas - you could do something different that the three of you come up with together Smile

LadyLuck10 · 05/11/2014 08:54

Well done op! I'm so glad you are taking steps to live a better life for yourself and your girls. You have the support of your dds which is the most important thing. You've spend far too long in this state of unhappiness and now due a change. Good luck to you and your girls.

AgathaF · 05/11/2014 10:21

I'm so pleased that you are taking action. Can you get copies of all essential documents - bank statements, mortgage stuff, pensions etc - and keep them hidden away ready to be taken with you when you go? Also passports and birth certificates etc. I assume he will be obstructive when you leave, so you need to arm yourself with the documents that you will need in future and take them with you.

Do you have any support - family, friends or work colleagues?

Stupidhead · 05/11/2014 10:43

Fabulous!!!

Our first Christmas without the arsehole was just bliss, we had little money but it was the most relaxing, happy and peaceful day ever, the DCs loved it.

I hope you get your Christmas this year Grin

CogitoErgoSometimes · 05/11/2014 10:47

Your DDs offering to share a room made me well up... that's a big deal for teenage girls and they sound really like terrific young people in spite of everything. Just imagine how amazing they'll be once the stress lifts.

Very best of luck

Deathraystare · 05/11/2014 13:19

Really hope it is all sorted before Christmas - as Stupidhead said,it will be happy and peaceful! You can play silly board games together, watch whatever you like and sing at the top of your voices if you feel like it. All without sulky boots ruining it for you!!!!

All the best!!!!

ruddygreattiger · 05/11/2014 19:27

You go girl! Your daughters sound amazingly mature and level-headed and it's so good to hear about all your new plans - you must all be so excited!
Please keep us updated!

DisgraceToTheYChromosome · 05/11/2014 22:23

Wahey! Of course, there'll a bit of a kerfuffle. Ridicule is good, and your smashing DDs can lend a hand with that. "Don't be such a twat, Dad" grates even when it's cheerful.