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Continuing saga..don't know what to do next..long sorry.

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monkeytrousers · 02/10/2006 08:52

For those of you who don't know mt DP is withdrawing from an addiction to painkillers. He is in a very fragile place, with all the problems asscociaye with addictions hurting us, secrecy, dishonesty, and anger, mood swings (from both of us now as I struggle to understand) and resentement.

He has abig thing about disclosure, and has gone mad in the past if I have ever shared any of our problems, especially with his mother or sister, who are very supportive. He admitted the addiction and again expected me to keep it from people, under the premise that it wasn't their business and that his family have a history of addiction problems and he wanted to save them the stress of knowing this. As I realised that this secrecy was how he maintained the addiction, and that it would also mean I had no active support, I told his sister anyway. She was not dfevestated as he imagined she would be, but very pragmantic and supportive. She agreed that it was impotent he didn't know she knew as this would deflect attention from the issue at hand, which is getting him off Tramadol...

Anyway, I went ahead with a planned housewarming party on Sat which to all intents and purposes was a great success. DP's business partners were there, one of which is disabled and is a major source of Tramadol for him, when he is not buying it off the internet.

Anyway, DP got very drunk and became upset while talking to her about a mutual friend they both lost recently. DP was in bits and they hugged, but from the angle I was at it at first looed as though they were kissing. (She is female) I was standing by another friend and made a lame joke, saying "do you think there's tongues in there?". It was all a bit embarressing and I went over and obvioulsy discovered it was only a hug. DP was inconsolable about the death of his friend, was rambling incoherantly and I put him to bed.

Later, when all the guests had gone me and this woman and his other (male) business partner (it was actually his father that had died, but they were all great friends) stayed up until 5 talking about this. I confided in them that DP was in trouble and that I would do with their help, especially with regards to the Tramadol, asking if she gave him some, to simply tell me so that I could track how much he was getting (he has actually told me the last two times she has given him them but I just wanted a fall back should he get in to trouble with them again.) She said she would think about it basically, and was worried that doing such a thing would constitute a betrayal of their friendship. She also said she wasn't aware he was getting them off the internet too.

This was all a very risky thing for me to do, and it absolutely depended on their discresion. I appealed to them his friends, all of us people who care deeply about him, that we could work together to get him through this, and share information.

Anyway, I texted them last night as I was getting a bit worried that I'd been too indiscrete. I got this text back;

Thanks for your messge MT, Me and .... have given considerab;e thought as to how to approach this and will let you know what we've done and hopefully how it was recieved. I won't do anytghing behind .......'s back. My relationship with him depends on honsety so reporting his tramadol consumption is out of the question. I will talk to him and I won't give him any more. Hope that is ok.

I repliedL:

....., ....., all I can do is beg you not to confront ior disclose this to him. As you saw the other night he is in a very delicate place at the moment and I fear this will send him over the edge and make life very hard for us here. If i cannot appeal to you fro my sake then I aks you for DS, and of course DP himself. The tramadol is not causeing a problem at work as far as i could tell talking to you both, so I'd ask you to give us the time to continue with our programme of getting DP free of it. We are at a crucial moment in reducing his dose. I would really like to ask you to forget that i confided in you. I am struggling to save my family and know DP is not in the place to take this well. I'm sure if you give us the time to get through this DP will confide in you both in his own time. You can't help me, I understand and respect that, but please leave it at that and give us the opprotunity to get through this. DP will be honest with you in time I'm sure of it, but let us do this slowly..
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Bascically, I think I know that she will tell him anyway, as i believe she is (not so secretly) in love with him and this represents an opprotunity to damage us here. I feel like I've been a naive idiot. I know she will tell him and he will feel I have betrayed him...what a mess..

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Monkeytrousers · 03/10/2006 14:59

Just realised there is a rather bad typo in that big post - DP actually replied We fine sweetie. Not we find sweetie..I wish he bloody would..

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Monkeytrousers · 03/10/2006 15:00

I keep spelling you name wrong too Attila, sorry.

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expatinscotland · 03/10/2006 15:01

Damn, MT.

I'd be packing if I were you.

Sorry, but I would.

Nothing angry about it at all, just 'That's it, that's my rock bottom. I've touched it and the water's too cold down here.'

wartywarthog · 03/10/2006 19:07

sounds like you've got a good place to get away from it all for a while. i agree that that sounds like a good thing to do.

expat speaks wise words.

Monkeytrousers · 03/10/2006 23:35

I'll keep you posted..

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AttilaTheMeerkat · 04/10/2006 08:13

MT

Please do keep us posted.

I am concerned that he will never be free of these painkillers even if he ends up losing all that is supposedly dear to him. To my mind his relationship with the pills is coming first with everything and everyone else a very distant second.

Don't worry about misspelling of Attila!. Just take good care of your child and yourself and seek support for your own sake and well being.

Monkeytrousers · 04/10/2006 09:14

I have forwarded the messages below to my phone and left them in his sent items folder so hopefully when he goes to manage his phone he will know that I know the nature of their correspondence.

I'm doing this to see if he will start a dialogue about this, as everytime I approach him he is so reactionary and defensive.

I'm not really bothered about any romance, just the fact that this is another rymptom if his dislocation from his family.

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CreepyCrawlyCarmenere · 04/10/2006 09:24

Hi MT thinking about you here. I suspect that he is using his 'unnattainable romance' as a reason to self medicate. In a kind of 'this situation is so messed up, I have to take loads of tramadol to get through the day' kind of crap. And of course that fact that she is a source is convenient....
So sorry for you but I don't think you should be playing phone games at this stage, just leave and deal with the fallout because then he will have to aswell.

expatinscotland · 04/10/2006 12:53

I agree w/Carmenere. The strongest message he can get right now is that you will NOT put up w/his behaviour, so you're outta there.

His relationship w/her? Typical messed up addiction shit one.

Monkeytrousers · 04/10/2006 12:53

He's gone. I'm okay. Just need some quiet time. Be back soon.

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meowmix · 04/10/2006 14:37

Sorry to hear this MT. Thinking of you - you're doing the right thing, brave too,

expatinscotland · 04/10/2006 14:40

(((HUGS))), MT

We're all thinking of you and your son and routing for you all!

Monkeytrousers · 04/10/2006 18:03

He came back, at first telling me that I had to leave - without DS, which was of course out of the question.

I think at this point I thought my head would explode.

We went on a long walk and what we have agreed on now is to split permanently but live together, in seperate rooms, for a while until we get the funds for him to maintain a flat and this house so DS can grow up here. In this time I'll work but also persue some of my own interests rather than purely existing to contribute to the 'family'.

While we were out he said something very illuminating. That maybe he was 'anhedonic' and just was incapable of being happy. I've never recalled him using this term before but googled it -

"In psychology, anhedonia (< an- + Greek hēdonē pleasure) is a patient's inability to experience pleasure from normally pleasurable life events such as eating, exercise, and social/sexual interactions. Anhedonia is the inverse of hedonism.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anhedonia"

Suddenly, things made a LOT of sense. I don't want to jump on this as an ultimate and singular explanation but all of a sudden dots that I've been trying to join up for years suddenly came together.

More than anything I felt a bit vindicated and suddenly realised that much of my unhappiness and frustration was coming from the fact that, for years I have been trying to make DP happy and have only watched him drift further away from me and into himself and work. I thought it was my failing and never ever considered it may be just who he is, and further, who he wants to be.

I feel better from realising it is not my responsibity to make him happy anymore, knowing what a humiliating task it's been.

I feel very positive now, like a weight has been lifted off my shoulders. Free.

We are going to draft an 'agreement'. I'll sound you out on the terms. May need a lawyer, if you know of one on here.

..and thanks

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TarkaTheHeadlessOtter · 04/10/2006 18:17

dont know whether to be happy or sad for you monkey but i am glad. Things seem to be looking up for you - as they often do with communication. this is probably the best outcome for all three of you. How do you feel tonight?

Lact8 · 04/10/2006 18:38

Have only just read this and don't 'know' you MT but I really hope things work out for you.

I have lived with an addict and all that entails and its not pretty.

I can relate to your feeling of freedom too. Enjoy them! IME I gave up a lot of my own happiness for that relationship, striving to make things right and finally realising it was an impossible task.

I really hope everything works out for you and your DS. Good luck and best wishes

Ps. It's def worth contacting one of the family of addicts helplines. They understand so much more than you can imagine what your life has been like

Monkeytrousers · 04/10/2006 18:53

Definetly going to do that Lat8, simply so as to be able to regognise any bullshit - any more signs and me and DS are off.

These are my terms and he has agreed to them:

1 We agree to separate, but live in same house, sleep in separate rooms, sharing domestic and parental duties equitably and financial responsibilities where agreed to

2 No proscriptions shall be placed on each others behaviour, but certain golden rules shall apply, such as
a. A commitment to maintaining a relaxed, respectful, cooperative, communicative and hopefully fun environment for us to exist, and especially for William, to thrive in.
b. That if issues arise, we have an organised sit down meeting at the table and strive to reach resolution. If no resolution is reached, a time is made the next day to continue negotiations. Hence, a commitment to solving problems as and when they arise.

3 We remain obligated to each other as parents to DS, and this includes maintaining and honest and open friendship, which as far as is reasonably possible, is free from deception, lies of omission and callousness.

4 This agreement is entered into freely.

5 This agreement lasts till MT's xDP can afford to move from the house (in a reasonable amount of time and without raising familial alarm) or is superseded by an amendment.

The reason for the familial alarm is that xDp's sister lost one of her twins at 10 weeks today and their mum is devestated. We're not sure how things are going to pan out with the 2nd fetus but are keeping this to ourselves for the time being.

And I feel really good Tarka. Relieved, mostly..

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CreepyCrawlyCarmenere · 04/10/2006 20:10

MT I'm glad you are making strides into organising your future, it is a very sensible agreement. Just one question about your agreement. What will happen if and when he starts to see this woman?

expatinscotland · 04/10/2006 20:25

MT
I hope you find the happiness you so deserve. I honestly do.

NO ONE can make another person happy besides him/herself.

FWIW, I hope your DP leaves soon. B/c tbh I think this will do you worlds of good in the long run.

I remember when the ex H and I split, and those first few days, after he was well and truly gone, well, they were awful.

Learning about loneliness, however, was the first step to learning to love myself so that one day, I could be happy.

I have to say, too, that this lesson was among the most valuable I've ever learned, b/c it will serve me for the rest of my life, whatever the circumstances.

True happiness, it comes from within.

I still hope that you find some counselling or a support group, or continue using MN, b/c it's a long, long road, and although learning to be alone is important, there's no substitute for human companionship, for someone to just say, 'Hugs'.

And mean it.

Cliche, yes, but cliches survive for a reason, and so here's one: you deserve so much better.

And that doesn't necessarily apply to finding another relationship.

anniemac · 05/10/2006 09:37

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expatinscotland · 05/10/2006 09:39

Not to mention, too, that supplying him w/prescription painkillers as she is is illegal.

What a fool for love!

Yeah, jail and a record for some guy who has a little kid, ffs, she's a really bright spark, that one.

Flossam · 06/10/2006 09:31

am sorry mt that it has come to this for you but i hope it brings a new beginniing to your life and things get better very soon. i think you are doing the right thing. x

LaDiDaDi · 07/10/2006 11:08

Just updated myself on this thread as I had been reading it before but not been online for a couple of days. I think that you are doing a remarkable job of thinking clearly about what is best for everyone in this situation. Make sure that you do not forget your own needs and that dp makes progress with sorting out a flat for himself as it will be difficult to feel separate from him until there is actual physical distance between you. Good luck mt and keep us updated. I'm sure that you have rl friends but I do live near to you and would help out if needed in anyway.

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