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Bipolar DH, don't know what to do

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thepoorlobsters · 16/10/2014 23:32

DH was diagnosed bipolar when his father died 20 years ago. He took medication for a long time on the instigation of his workplace and private medical insurance which came with the job (an international bank), but came off it when he left the job to become an architect. He didn't tell me he had been diagnosed with bipolar until we were married.

He's very creative and says that medication dulls his creativity. In manic phases he is exhausting. He can go for several 24 hour periods without sleeping, where he works, eats, drinks, his mind races and he socialises madly. He wakes me at 3am and 4am to listen to music or watch videos, or trying to get me to go to this place or that place. He makes mad declarations of love in these phases too, in public (stands up in restaurants and makes speeches or dedications) buys crazy gifts etc. I find it all a bit too much and rather embarrassing and I say so. He can send 50 texts in 10 minutes and by the time I've checked my phone after leaving it to charge, he can have passed through several different moods: needy, angry, vindictive, sad... then be demanding my response and asking what the hell I am doing and why I haven't replied. He feels invincible. He used to get into fights during these phases, often scaring people off due to the sheer confidence of his approach. Before we met he also used to binge drink and be promiscuous, but I'm pretty sure now he does not do either of those. The mania is mostly focused on an obsession with his work.

In the depressive phases (which happen quite quickly after) he casts me in the role of his tormentor. I cannot put a foot right. He begrudges me my stoic response to his dramatic declarations of love and tells me that I don't love him back. From not sleeping for days, or eating properly on those days he exhausts himself and gets very ill. He feels very sorry for himself and lashes out at me that I don't love him, he doesn't even know why we are married, I am a terrible, cruel person etc. I have just got a series of texts from him which have made me very sad. He is basically saying that my disagreeing with him is going to kill him. I think earlier I disagreed about something in the house - like I don't think we should decorate our (in utero) daughter's bedroom until new year whereas he wants to do it next week (I can't even remember what it was anymore.) He seemed fine then he left the house and I've had 20 texts along the lines of "you're going to kill me. All you do is oppose me." "You will regret it if I die, you will live your life in regret." "Think very seriously about how you are going to change. Think now. We are in a desperate situation. I cannot live with you being like this anymore. You are going to give me a heart attack."

I am completely confused as to why he is saying this because there was no clear problem before he left the house. I can almost guarantee that tomorrow he will be back to the declarations of love.

He has become much, much worse recently.

There are some rare balanced moments where I point out his pattern to him and he acknowledges it, or turns it into a joke - but it's not a joke because what he says hurts me, and it's hard to just "forgive and forget" constantly.

Every day we are subject to his mood swings. There really isn't ever a good time to talk about it. If I bring up his accusations during a manic phase he tells me to stop being a stick in the mud and start partying and celebrate our lives. If I tell him how much he is hurting me during a depressive phase, he will become nastier and turn it around and tell me that it is me who makes his life awful.

Does anyone have any experience of a partner like this and what helps during these phases? Should I stay consistent and stoic? He is never violent and each phase tends to pass quite quickly. It just preoccupies me so much with strong feelings (either trying to stay still and get some peace when he is manic, or trying not to get too hurt when he is depressed) that my energy is taken up dealing with how he makes me feel. Should I just be switching off?

OP posts:
frownyface · 16/10/2014 23:44

You must be utterly utterly exhausted.

I think if it was me I would be insisting on medication- you cannot go on like this and neither can he.

Is this baby your first? Not clear from OP. This isnt just about the two of you, think what effect this will have/is having on your children-this lifestyle is untenable

frownyface · 16/10/2014 23:48

....and your home life sounds chaotic.

Having said that I dont know much about bipolar.

As an idea, it might be crap but just an idea-what about k
eeping a diary listing days hes up things he does what he says etc and most inportantly how this makes you feel-could ypu show it to him once hes more stable (for want of a better word)

frownyface · 16/10/2014 23:51

Sorry for multiple post having issues with mobile mn- if you can keep track of how unreasonable he is and then sit down perhaps and talk through it once hes calm? him downplaying things is no help to either of you this is the only thing i can think of that might get through perhaps?

frownyface · 16/10/2014 23:54

Also-if you ask mnhq to move this to the mental health boards you will have more knowledgable replies :)

HansieLove · 17/10/2014 00:11

I think it would be good for him to read your message, as he likely doesn't know he acts this way. He seems to need a full time audience, and you are the chosen one. Sending all those texts, one after another, is not a normal way of interacting. He needs medicine desperately. Before the baby is born, he needs to get on an even keel.

Slugslasher · 17/10/2014 00:17

Hello,

I am currently friends with a women (now in her 70s) who was married to a man like this.

A very high flier who was extremely successful in his field. In his manic stages he blew all their assets (including mortgaging their house) on the stock market. Lost the lot in the crash. He became manic and paranoid and eventually went to bed with a loaded shotgun. My friend realised he was going to take her down with him so divorced him and made a life on her own Their son at the age of 18 realised he had the same condition and after three failed suicide attempts killed himself at the tender age of 18. Their daughter who is an eminent person decided never to marry or have children. She is a workaholic and buries her life in her work. The husband eventually ended up in hospital, refused to eat and drink, then starved himself to death.

My poor friend is still traumatised by what happened but has managed to live her life successfully.

I am in awe at her strength in getting through this.

thepoorlobsters · 17/10/2014 00:36

If I showed him this message; depending on what mood he was in, he would probably read it and say nothing and then bring it up when he was in a phase (manic or depressive) and accuse me of being against him, "not on his side," even though I am laying out very clearly what the pattern is and also have the proof. He will literally tell me that black is white or night is day, even if the facts are right in front of both of us.

Slugslasher yes DH is very much like the man you describe. He also lost a lot of money on the stock market. He is very talented and capable of great focus, but that also seems to be his downfall, as he can become obsessive during a manic phase and cause chaos around him for others. He will take risks during these phases which sometimes have massive payoffs (e.g. going into meetings and making crazy offers and having them accepted due to his charisma/confidence/passion) but then heaven forbid one of the risks doesn't pay off and we are both in for a nightmare.

There are times when I have been nowhere near him or not expressed an opinion on the thing he is doing, and he will still blame it on me. It usually starts when he feels my response is not right to the situation he presents, or I am not showing enough sympathy when he presents me with a situation which is very obviously inevitable (e.g. he is ill after being up for three days straight, or he took a risk with terrible odds and it doesn't come through.) He asks me why don't I have faith in him? Why am I not on his side? if he didn't have me draining him then this would not happen.

We both know that if he did not have me, he would self-destruct. And occasionally he acknowledges this.

I feel very isolated. I feel that his friends and family do know what he is like, but because I now absorb most of the effects of the mood swings, they think it has calmed down or gone away.

OP posts:
Slugslasher · 17/10/2014 00:50

I can't advise you on how to proceed in your relationship but I know that my friend who unburdens herself by talking to me would tell you to get out of this marriage. Your story of his behaviour mirrors exactly his.

NanaNina · 17/10/2014 01:28

Poorlobsters - I suffer from mental illness - but plain old depression and anxiety but it is an absolute torment. I go on the MH threads a lot and there are obviously people on there with bipolar (types 1 and 2) and with other complex mental health conditions.

Is your DH not on any medication at all - it sounds like he's not - you are living in an intolerable situation, and I don't think you should be worrying about strategies for adapting your behaviour to be honest. I think your energies need to be directed towards getting your DH to the GP initially who will I am sure refer to a psychiatrist. Bipolar is very well managed with the right medication. There are people on the MH thread who DO stop taking their meds from time to time (believing that they don't need them anymore) and enjoy the manic phase so much that they don't usually tell anyone they have stopped the meds (or one of them) lithium is often the one they stop, and then of course they come crashing down with depression and end up in hospital. There is even a consultant psychiatrist on the thread - she posts under MentalPsychiatrist and she has Bipolar and recently stopped her lithium and ended up in hospital, but she is well again now.

I don't know if you have children, and to be honest I hope not, as I can't help but think they must be scared stiff - neither do I know how long you've been married, but you are pregnant and to be perfectly honest I think that if your DH's illness continues to go untreated then you will be exposing your baby to emotional harm. Believe me things will be much harder once you have a baby to care for, because he is more than likely to start telling you that you care more for the baby than him, and dare I say I even think the baby could be in danger. What if he decides to take the baby for a drive at 4.00 a.m. in the morning or something else that is bizarre.

I am not trying to scare you - and I very rarely post in such dramatic terms. I am a retired social worker/manager in Child protection with a career spanning some 30 years, and so I am giving my advice from a position of experience.

It's small wonder you feel isolated. You must do something about this situation before the birth of the baby. The stress you are under could also affect your mental health and there is no way you would get any support from your DH. I am not blaming him but he needs to see that he has to take medication to control this horrible illness. Are you afraid of him I wonder - or very wary maybe? You do need some support and you have to stop keeping this secret, so you will have to break the silence and get some RL support from his family/friends or whoever - and then get someone to be with you when you insist he must be seen by a GP and get medication before the birth of the baby. Even if this happens he is likely to stop taking it and not tell you (as is so often the case) but you will know by his behaviour.

Please get some help/support for both of you before this baby is born.

I'm picking this up on "Active" so you might be posting in the MH thread but if you're not it would be a good idea to do so. There is a thread called the "Autumn Village thread" which I dip in and out of but that's where the consultant psychiatrist posts though she is careful about giving specific advice on the internet. However there are others with bipolar, and there is someone who has just stopped taking her lithium and is in a manic phase and likely to end up in hospital.

NanaNina · 17/10/2014 01:37

Just noticed you have posted this in "Relationships" - suggest you post in Mental Health as that is the issue. Forgot to say that you could see the GP yourself about your DH if he refuses to go - obviously because of confidentiality the GP won't be able to discuss your DH with you, but he/she may be able to suggest a way forward. I think a relative can request an assessment of a person who is mentally ill, but you could check this out with the GP. Presumably you have a midwife/GP related to your pregnancy. Could you discuss this situation with one of them.

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