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Can you tell me what this is?

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vandercamper · 09/10/2014 20:46

DH and I have the same kind of argument every week. He is a highly inflammatory (he would say "sensitive") person. He has a group of very loyal friends who have been solid for decades who he never argues with, but he really cannot let a day pass without having a huge bust up with someone - whether it's a friend, someone he's doing business with, or just someone he meets in the street.

What's different about this is that things I do don't really bother him at all. He gets upset mainly over external circumstances; someone was rude to him, his job's not going well, people are "deliberately" Hmm causing problems in the smooth running of his life. He expects me to agree completely that so-and-so is against him, that his situation is very unfair, that X or Y person is horrible. If I do and (i only do if I think that he does have a point,) he develops this "us against the world" mentality and wants to keep talking about it and fuming about it, sending abusive emails and not letting it go and updating me on what's happening.

If I don't, or I calmly point out the facts of the situation or how he should see it differently, he turns on me and accuses me of being disloyal, "just like everyone else." He can rant for hours - days even - about how it has been revealed to him that he has a traitor in his own house i.e.. me. That married couples should put each other first before everyone else. The anger and rowing is exhausting for me. The more I try to speak rationally or objectively about what I perceive to have happened (the situation that upset him and the resulting fall out between the two of us) the worse it gets, he "cannot believe" I am trying to rationalise something so blatantly abusive towards him.

He then tells me that I am colluding in the abuse of him by saying that the other person has a point and I get more verbal tirades about my character.

Sometimes I just let it go, sometimes I capitulate and agree with him that yes so and so is indeed a bastard and deserves to go to jail/be retaliated against, and most of the time, we both run out of steam and stamina after a period of days and call a truce, exhausted.

He never takes any of his plans to fruition. Ie, he never comes through on the threats he makes to me about how he is going to get revenge on others. The plan dies out, he gets distracted by something else, or he just pulls out of the morose mood he was in.

This is an example, but a really good one of what happens:

A year ago he went into a family-run interiors shop and struck a deal with the father about how much he would pay for 8 items. The next day he called to pay for and pick up the items and the daughter was behind the till. The father had not left a note to tell her he'd struck a deal with my DH, and the daughter refused to sell DH the items at the same price. DH lost it, shouted at her, told her to go to hell, stormed out, sent them abusive emails. He came home and when I pointed out it could simply have been a misunderstanding, turned on me and started telling me that he was going to go in the night and smash all their windows in and set it on fire. I said now come on DH, that's ridiculous, and he lost it with me even more.

He didn't do any of the things he threatened. In the end, the father rang, DH calmed down, he paid the price of the deal and we have the stuff in our house.

He has said that when he was a teenager he was told by teachers that they suspected him of being on the autistic spectrum, but he refused to take the test. He said the reason that they said that is that he reacted badly whenever plans went wrong or circumstances were changed even slightly.

I don't know what it is. Autism? Or just straightforward EA?

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KeemaNaanAndCurryOn · 09/10/2014 20:49

Not autism.

Personality disorder, possibly, abusive definitely.

He sounds like an utter nightmare to live with.

FelicityGubbins · 09/10/2014 20:52

Sounds like screeching drama queen syndrome to me..

I'm pretty fiery but he sounds exhausting!

figgieroll · 09/10/2014 20:56

He could be in the autistic spectrum possibly. It can be like being on a train traveling a specific route and when derailed, you're set on another track and unable to divert

figgieroll · 09/10/2014 20:59

That probably makes no sense at all?

It sounds like he struggles to be able to see things from others point of view.

Can you look at the national autistic website? It might help clarify things

vandercamper · 09/10/2014 21:06

I genuinely think he probably is on the spectrum, but I don't want to feel like I am giving him (and myself) excuses.

Yes he likes to wake up in the morning and plan his day very specifically. If ANYTHING gets in the way of those specifications, he cannot cope. He literally wakes up and says I am going to do this, then this, then this, then I'm going to eat this, then see this person, then go to bed at this time. If there is even a SLIGHT deviation because of someone else, that person becomes public enemy no.1

However when I deviate him from his schedule, he doesn't lose it with me. But I explain it to him like a child. I say DH, this thing has happened beyond my control. I don't want to upset your plans, but I have to do it. Most of the time he finds a solution to prevent me from having to make the change (usually throwing money at the problem - DH works in a highly niche, well-paid financial job because he is a genius with numbers)

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figgieroll · 09/10/2014 22:04

That is my experience of autism too. Set plans, difficulty dealing with changes of plan, able to deal with small changes with sensitive personal support.

I wonder if here are any books on adult autism? Maybe look at amazon and read reviews.

It would be positive getting a diagnosis in some ways because you both would have a better understanding of his behaviour and would be advised on small steps.

figgieroll · 09/10/2014 22:16

Could you try preempting situations? It may or may not help. For example 'if you miss the bus to work, you could always catch a taxi?'. This could wind him up but alternatively could help him prepare for small changes.

They used to say that one in ten men are on the spectrum, I've no idea if this is true but I personally know two friends husbands who are. They are great men.

There is a possibility you may have children on the spectrum because it is genetic. There are plenty of positive qualities that come with the condition - honesty and reliability

YouAreMyRain · 09/10/2014 22:38

To me (ASD ExH and current ASD partner) he sounds like he has autistic traits.

He may also be abusive, so don't let him get away with stuff just because you suspect ASD.

He has a belief that married couples should put each other first and be united against the world. When things happen that challenge this belief, he really struggles.

People with ASD hold their beliefs/rules very firmly, it can be very distressing for them when things don't fit this pattern.

There is a lot of support out there for partners of people with ASD. Loads of books, "relate" counsellors that specialise in clients with ASD etc.

If certainly sounds like it's worth exploring with your DH.

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