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can I offload the last year on you please?!

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PeppermintPasty · 05/10/2014 19:35

I think that i am going along the road ok, and in the circumstances I have done the right things, but I have been thinking about posting for a while, just to check...so to speak.

I am sure there's a link to a bit of detail about my ex and I, I'll look it up in a bit.

Short story is we have two children, aged 7 and 4, and I kicked him out in October last year (nearly the anniversary, yay!). No regrets, we had gone from sort of ok, to him going back to old ways insofar as he wanted to be the family man (I cattily call it 'Facebook Dad') when it suited, but mostly he wanted to act as if he was single (lots of going out, not coming back when he said he would, ruining family weekends, that sort of thing. No cheating, well, not for the last 8 years, -he had done so before and we (ho ho) had 'worked through it'.

Anyway, it took me about 2 years to clear my head of the remaining fuckwittery and ask him to leave.

This last year has been difficult. Understatement of the century. For the first two months or so, there was a bit of pining and mooning around by him, hoping or thinking I would change my mind (I have, sorry, HAD!, form for this).

When he realised that I wasn't going to take him back, he became generally like a difficult teen. On and off he would be even tempered, but too often he would come for contact with the children and shout at them, and me, and strop about and so on. I eventually realised that he was never going to behave like an adult and I banned him for a time from coming into the house, for example, because he was so abusive. I also had to cut down any sort of contact that involved me seeming to rely on him, eg for covering child care while I was working, as he loved to let me down and then say I was unreasonable for being pissed off etc. It was (and still is) about power and control.

So, after the time he let me down by baling on agreed child care while I was working, with the words 'your kids, your problem' (may I point out they are his kids and he knows this!!), I told him to stick contact and that I was pulling it and he would have to go to a solicitor to set something solid up.

That was before the summer, and he didn't see the children for three weeks as a result, and accused me of hiding them from him in that time. 'Hiding'=going about our normal business.

Ok, so gradually building through the year, he has become more and more difficult. After that three weeks, he was very contrite, and the thing I (did) find hard was the children asking about him in those sort of circumstances. Anyway, rightly or wrongly (wrongly as it turned out), I reinstated contact and he was then seeing them one night a week at mine (I know, not at all ideal, but he lives with his father and maintains his dad's partner doesn't want them there. This is untrue, I think she doesn't want HIM there). He also took them out for the day every sunday. He has paid zero contribution for their care, telling me to quit my job and go on benefits 'like everyone else' if I didn't have enough money.

Summer came. He had begun hanging out with a woman with two children, whom he used to go to school with. Absolutely no problem with that, well, not until three or four weeks ago. He offered no help during summer, I arranged for them to go away to my family (they love it there), for 2 weeks while I worked my notice at my old job. New job would then start after summer, so great, I engineered it so I could spend loads of time with ds and dd.

I'm very conscious of the length of this already. Sorry. He then basically phoned them once in the whole of the summer and when we returned (August Bank hol, as I had told him), he denied I'd told him and waited until just before out 4yo was due to start school. He rang and aggressively asked to speak to them and I said no, I also said this time was it, he had made no effort etc etc, and I wasn't going to allow it any more.

Cue more bad behaviour ie that morning he turned up at our house while the dc still sleeping demanding to see them and sat on the steps in the rain for an hour and a half(we live in a very remote location) and basically laughed at me when I said he was intimidating me.

The real point of this story is that at last I have closed the door on contact and unless he goes to see a solicitor and we can mediate through a third party, he won't be getting to the children. I feel bad about this, but it is because when he came round, at my suggestion, to talk about resuming contact after the debacle of the summer (yes, I probably shouldn't have offered yet another chance), he blithely announced that this woman he's been seeing has recently had her two children removed 'because of neglect'.....

Well. It all went a bit Jeremy Kyle. I had already agreed that he could resume weekend contact where he takes them out for a day. After this news sunk in, I phoned him and asked him where he intended to take the dc on his first day seeing them in 6 weeks. He announced that he would be going to this woman's town, approx 40 miles away, obviously to go to hers. I said that until I had more details I didn't want them going there.

Cue a morning of bizarre texts from him sending me links to the NSPCC website defining neglect, in a weird attempt to 'reassure' me :-/

Neglect appears to be horrendous, in any of its forms. And the threshold for intervention appears very high to me. Needless to say, I insisted, and when he came round that weekend as agreed he muttered about taking them somewhere nearby.

They got back early evening. Not only had they been to her town, they had been with her and in her house all day! I won't go in to everything that followed (I was v calm), but the result is I have pulled contact.

I also got some advice the next day from my old boss (a family solicitor of many years experience). Not only did he say I was entirely reasonable to stop contact, but that if I hadn't done so, and continued to let them go over there, if something happened them Social Services would get ME involved, and criticise me for not caring where my dc went!

I relayed all this to ex in a very calm text (he knows my boss and they got on well once), and I again said to him to go and see a solicitor. His parting text to me in answer to that was 'go and see a shrink'.

Ok, so reading this all written down, I know he sounds like a wanker, and he is. But this exercise has I think shown me that I should have stopped trying much earlier. I am now totally past the point of wanting the children to have good contact with their dad, as he is unstable and no good for them at present. I just pray that he sees sense one day.

Luckily, the children are utterly fabulous and I think they are very happy. They genuinely don't seem troubled by him not being around, but this is the part I struggle with. If you've made it this far, and you have experience of this type of situation, is there anything I can do over and above keeping things steady and secure and full of love and laughter for them, that would help them?

Sorry for the length.

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PeppermintPasty · 05/10/2014 21:23

Hummmm, does this mean I've bored you all rigid, or you think I'm approaching it all in the right way, or both Shock

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Clutterbugsmum · 05/10/2014 22:04

Having read your OP, I think the point is that he would see a solicitor and sort out contact, but he is not. He is using contact to still bully and intimidate you into doing what he wants.

If he is working then go to CSA for maintenance for your children, he should be paying for them whether he see them or not.

CogitoErgoSometimes · 05/10/2014 22:18

Maybe you could condense it down to the dilemma?

PeppermintPasty · 05/10/2014 22:27

Well, yes! But I wanted to give a bit of background. I have no other options do I? I mean, there is nothing to say to this man about his children other than '(fuck off) go and see a solicitor'.

It's not as though I want another option, but sometimes, though I seem very strong to everyone, and I think I have no choice because of the way he has acted, I still wonder if I'm doing the right thing.

I suppose I want an objective view.

Plus, I want someone to,tell me, to yell at me, that my children will be ok. I know this really, but sometimes....

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Barefootgirl · 05/10/2014 22:49

FWIW, I think you are right. i think you were accommodating to the point of stupidity over the repeated contact farces...but it seems you've seen the light. Don't allow contact again until he can offer proof of growing up a bit. Call the police if he tries to intimidate you again. Go to hte CSA to deal with maintenance.

Your kids will be absolutely fine. You sound like a lovely, caring, generous-natured mum, and your kids will be as lovely as you.

Cricrichan · 05/10/2014 22:51

I think you've made the right decision and you've given him plenty of chances. Good luck with everything op.

Finola1step · 05/10/2014 22:59

I think your detail is very thorough and clear. You have given your ex numerous chances to establish a meaningful contact arrangement for the children. He has messed up each time.

The old boss/ family solicitor is quite right. And your assessment of the threshold for taking dc into care for neglect is spot on too.

From now on, contact through solicitors only. It would be a good idea for you to strike while the irons hot and make your own solicitors appt to discuss your situation in a formal way so that it is on record.

You are doing a great job. Keep doing what you're doing. But keep a paper trail.

PeppermintPasty · 06/10/2014 09:31

Thanks all. I've had a strange reaction to the few kind words/support shown here. I got a bit emotional, good grief. I suppose it's a reaction to keeping it in all the time. Obviously, I have friends I talk to about it, but usually they just stare open mouthed in horror as I tell them the latest episode. Then we put the kettle on and talk about other stuff.

Thanks.

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caramelwaffle · 06/10/2014 09:48

Sorry to hear you are going through this.

Whatever you do in the future, do not let him in your home.
If he wants to see his children, let him make the effort. Solicitors/mediators/Contact Centres at first.

It seems he is a user and a bully.

Good luck with everything.

Quitelikely · 06/10/2014 09:53

I think you have made the right decision. He sounds like he wants to do as he pleases without really understanding the impact his chaos has on the dc. I don't think you are crazy as I think you were just trying to help your dc have a relationship with their father.

Given that he is in a relationship with someone who has had their children removed because they were either at risk of significant harm or suffering significant harm you just cannot let the kids go there.

Tell him future contact is to be through a lawyer and keep all evidence such as abusive texts he has sent and so on.

You have tried. That's all you can do.

Quitelikely · 06/10/2014 09:54

Oh and well done for getting out of the relationship!

BitOutOfPractice · 06/10/2014 10:10

The problem you've got with witholding contact is that you can be accused f using the children as a weapon against him.

Not sying that I blame you for doing this. Just that you will be in danger of putting yourself in the 2wrong" so to speak.

I agree he sounds like a total wanker though

PeppermintPasty · 06/10/2014 10:31

I think that I have reached the end with him though. In a way he has made it easier for me by the neglect issue. There is no way on god's green earth that my dc will be going anywhere near someone who has lost their dc through neglect! My boss said to me that if ex does go to see a solicitor, then part of the process will involve his background being looked at, plus anyone else that would have contact with them while in his care. So she would have to be assessed too.

He is so anti-authority that I really don't think he will go and see a solicitor. He has gone so far off-grid in the last year that I don't recognise him. Apart from anything else, he has stopped looking after himself, he isn't washing his clothes, he proudly tells me that he cleans his teeth once a week if that. The whole thing is bizarre frankly.

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