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Think my marriage just ended

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EndOfTheRope · 27/09/2014 14:34

I have name changed as I don't want this linked to my normal username.
I think I have just ended my 8 year marriage.
Everything has just come to a head over a bloody games console and I just feel hollow.
My selfish heart is simply relieved for many many reasons.
The worry and anxiety I feel is all about practicality and logistics, that added to our 2 children are the only reasons I am finding not to call time.
I gave an ultimatum this morning regarding the dam console (don't get it, even through most of the cost would be met through trade in there is the matter of having nothing to play on it and the overwhelming reason being that thanks to h we are going to struggle paying rent this month, the roof over our heads and food for kids to eat has to come first and every little thing counts. Also he hadn't discussed it with me and had told children, especially our youngest who has SN, possible Aspergers and a gaming obsession. He had also stretched the truth and most likely out right lied about the costs involved and where money was coming from). We went out to sat morning sports as normal, there is an hour when oldest has her lesson that h takes ds to inlaws as they live very near sport location. H was near half hour late picking up dd and I. Told me it was due to him thinking lesson finished 10 min later and he had been fixing his dad's computer.
Get home, have lunch and then I find him siting with ds unboxing a new console.
Have retreated upstairs, asked him to come for a word (v small house, kids downstairs) told him that I had enough, couldn't do it anymore, so much lies, all the time, for pointless reasons, he will say what he thinks I want to hear rather then a truth I easily find out, so pointless why??.
I said that we would need to sit down tonight and sort out our separation. He had nothing to say, just wanted to get back down to his new console. I don't know if he thinks that I am not serious.
I am all over the place but dry eyed. Sadness for our children and logistical nightmares are all I can think of.
I'm lost, part of me wants to forget it and carry on in the hollow way we have been while he lies pointlessly, screws finances and opts out of real parenting. There is just too much for me to fit in a post.
What do I do from here?

OP posts:
Dowser · 27/09/2014 14:38

Sorry to hear that.

Has the love all died.

Can it be rekindled

Do you think your marriage is worth saving if he didn't behave like that. I ask because if it is worth saving I would suggest going to Relate.

They will help you work on the relationship or they will help you separate.

So sorry to hear that.

Dowser · 27/09/2014 14:38

Sorry to hear that.

Has the love all died.

Can it be rekindled

Do you think your marriage is worth saving if he didn't behave like that. I ask because if it is worth saving I would suggest going to Relate.

They will help you work on the relationship or they will help you separate.

So sorry to hear that.

juliascurr · 27/09/2014 14:50

he's probably in denial and has been for a long time
taking this action might jolt him out of it

ChippingInLatteLover · 27/09/2014 14:55

It is much easier to be a single Mum to 2 children than a single Mum to 2 children and a manchild. I think if you go through with this your life will be much less stressful and much happier. You can do it Flowers

Festivalqueen1 · 27/09/2014 14:59

I was in a similar situation. Called time out of desperation at being lied to about money, feelings ignored etc. I told him he had 2 options: end it or get couples councelling. He said he'd think about the councelling. We still havent gone for it but things are picking up.

My point is, if he knows you're serious he may fight for you enough to agree to councelling. Which may help, or lead you to decide that ending it is right. Either way, with children involved - as I have - it would likely be less guiltmaking if you have done everything possible to make it work.

SweetErmengarde · 27/09/2014 15:06

I split with my DS1's birth father for similar.

A catalogue of blatant, pointless lies that often did not even benefit him, leading me to conclude that lying was just his automatic response to everything.

The games console rings bells with me too: DS1 a baby, me on mat leave, XP working FT in a new job; he asks if I need anything brought in on his way home from work. I say nappies. XP returns without nappies but with a PS2 (this dates me!), several games and gaming manuals, all new.

This while I was covering his share of rent with my mat allowance because he was always short (surprise surprise!). He had a bullshit excuse about how he'd got an amazing deal (when anything more than free was outside our budget) and that it would be educational for DS1 and "help develop his reflexes" - DS1 was three months old ffs!

What it came down to was that he was a leech who saw other people only in terms of what he could get from them. His comfort and entertainment trumped DS1's wellbeing and any regard for me. When I finally got him to leave, I was sad at the loss of my hopes to rise DS in a traditional, happy family but I did not miss him one iota.

Whatever logistical issues lie ahead, OP, your life will bea damn sight less stressful when all your finances are transparent and you can raise your DC in an atmosphere of honesty and teamwork.

All the best to you. xx

EndOfTheRope · 27/09/2014 15:51

Thank you for your replies.
I don't think there is anything to be saved. I care about him, I don't want to hurt him, he is the Father of my amazing children but I don't love him anymore, I just can't generate any passionate feelings at all. I have stated my wish to end the marriage and yet it all continues around me.
I don't think he realises that I'm serious as his only response has been to pay a tiny bit of rent, send an email receipt to me and then wants what? A pat on the head? He just can't seem to grasp that rent is something that is payed monthly, not how you can be bothered to fit it around your need for shiny things!
Told him again that I mean it.

People who have said that it will be easier as a single parent with two children then the current situation where I have two children and a lieing man child have voiced what I have been feeling for some time.

He is suffering with depression and getting meds right and I know some if the things I am struggling with stem from this but I really can't hack any more, some of these issue may be due to this but at heart he is selfish and feckless. He says sorry but nothing changes, his sorry means nothing anymore. How many times do we have to go through this cycle before I say enough?

I have no idea how I will manage alone but at least I won't feel like I am being sabotaged with every step.
I don't know how I will manage money wise, I have fairly complex health issues and disability which make my ability to work unusual in that I can and have been working but not full time hours and I work for myself so can self manage time but I couldn't keep us on what I earn and it is not regular enough, been busy through summer but nothing doing for months at a time now.
That is what upsets and scares me, not losing my husband.
If I am fair to him and look closely at myself I think I checked out of this marriage on an emotional level long ago and have just been putting up and shutting up due to the fear of how to manage on the logistics of life.

OP posts:
myroomisatip · 27/09/2014 16:01

The logistics are not a problem, go and get as much advice as you can. See solicitors, go to the CAB. It gets much easier once you have more information and you have someone on your side.

Do you have family or friends that can help you and support you?

EndOfTheRope · 27/09/2014 22:56

So, I have asked him to leave. He now knows I am serious and can't carry on like this.
After pointing out that I modiste plans for the children where more important then sorting out who has computers we have a plan that he will leave tomorrow. I work Sundays so he will go to inlaws with kids as normal tomorrow but then bring them back to me late afternoon and go back to his folks.
I don't know if he will tell the children or not, I will be ready for both possibilities. My poor wee babies Sad I don't know how they will take it. Dd is 9 and a bit, think she may actually be a little pleased, but also devastated if that makes any sence. Ds, I don't think he will understand at all, he is 6.5 but his special needs make it hard for him to understand these things, he is more like a 3, maybe 4 year old, any tips or advice would be much welcomed.
I thought I would write an email outlining out commitments for the next week, we have a secondary school open eve that we will have to attend all together (I can't drive just now, have to renew my licence, which is at the top of my to start rolling balls list for Monday and also have no car). Ds has a TAC meeting but dh doesn't normally attend those. I will suggest contact days that suit the kids activities to him in this email. Need to think about Mondays, I'm a brownie leader and now have nobody at home for ds. Will think about that.

I have an embryonic to sort out list that starts with me contacting benefit people, not sure what point to start with that really. Also top of list is opening a basic post office bank account in my name only and getting things shifted over to that.
I could really do with any advice on how to do all this. What to do and where. I am quite restricted, we live rurally and with no car I am really quite stuck. I need to see my GP and can hopefully get a slot on his one morning at the hall. I guess the timing of the TAC is good as well, they are always asking if I need any help with anything, I guess it's time to be open, honest and throw myself to the mercy of the system.
My family are all hundreds of miles away as is my best friend. I do have a few less close friends in the village. I do know that under it all h is a nice, good man who will never not be there for his children, he will support them and his family although I don't always see eye to eye with them, they are also good people who will do right by the children.
The only person I have spoken to in RL is my mum. She is being very supportive and understands what the issues are and why I am now at this point. While she can't come to me at the moment she has offered that due to a one off cash amount she is due very soon that she will buy me a car so I can continue and grow my business as well as manage the logistics of living here. I just need my licence sorted.
So, please, please help me get my action plan together. Where do I go first, who should be on my list?

OP posts:
Festivalqueen1 · 27/09/2014 23:08

This must be so daunting. What a huge thing for you to have to sort out. Im sorry, I haven't had a breakup involving kids so my advice might not be helpful. However I think if I were you id grab a computer and write down everything you can thimk of in no particular order, then copy and paste into an ordered list to tick things off.

It sounds as though things could stay amicable throughout this. Perhaps agree one main rule: nothing but positive discussion in front of the kids.

best of luck. Keep this thread updated pf progress x

EndOfTheRope · 30/09/2014 22:01

A few days on and H has moved out to his parents.
He accepts that I mean it and this is a permanent decision that I will not be revising. I am glad to hear that when he contacted my Mum he expressed to her that this was the situation as he understood it (don't worry he want ranting and raving at my Mum just checking in with her, he really is a nice person but with allot of problems and a real need to grow the heck up and re look at his priorities. We were once great friends, long before we were a couple but there are things in a friend you accept as it doesn't impact your life and isn't your business that are impossible in a marriage. I maybe hoplessly optimistic but maybe, one day we can recapture some of that friendship as I do miss him on that level).

I have spent the week so far finding out what is available to me, what I need to get it and on the phone, filling online forms and chasing down paperwork in the house. I am struggling with ID for opening a bank account but have hopefully got that sorted now, just waiting for a benefit award letter to come from child benefit (have suspended those payments until I have a bank account to ensure that money from that comes to me and in turn the children. I have identified and applied for employment support allowance which is perfect for me, just have to get my medical certificate from my GP who I am seeing on his weekly trip out to the village. Even though I think I have started the process with every thing we are entitled to I have also arranged to speak to the benefit advisor attached to the childrens centre in town. So yeah been busy.

Had the TAC for my ds this morning, H (what do I call him now? Not planning on rushing to solicitor for divorce, kind of figured it would be cheapest to do the two year separation especially as there are no assets or savings and only debt is a £500 OD), who has never bothered to come to school or TAC meetings before advised me as part of a very chilly email (in reply to the informal but polite once I had sent him outlining possible access for the children) that had clearly been written by his Father that he was now going to attend. I wasn't best pleased with the idea for a few reasons that where just me being petty and I do know that it is better late then never when it comes to being an active part of his children's lives. I did think this morning he had changed his mind when he dropped ds back to me at 8am, he didn't stop long enough to speak to (or even see) me so given the 8am drop rather then him taking to school was agreed to allow him to get to work I thought he must have changed his mind but no, he had dropped ds off at 8 and then gone and hung about somewhere until I saw him sitting in his car near the school just after 9 as I was killing time myself waiting for the 9.30 meeting. This unreasonably pissed me off!
The meeting actually went well on the whole, he tried to get a couple of digs in at me that fell completely flat as I was about to put truth without missing a beat or looking petty. He also waxed lyrical about how he had read with ds the night before and how well he felt ds did pausing evey so often looking for the pat on the head that wasn't coming, i refrained from commenting about it being the first time he has ever read with ds. Later on in the day walking home from school ds started talking out of nowhere about how he had read his school book with his Nanny last night.
I know all the stuff above is just petty and childish from me but as I can't get any of this out in real life it is good to just come on here and let it out and rant a little, I do apologise!

Ds is struggling to understand, H hasn't helped in the way he has explained things to ds, he is rubbish at taking into consideration ds's special needs and the different way he views the world and as a result ds keeps saying Daddy is having a sleep over with Nanny and Granddad. I am doing my best to explain in a way ds can understand but it seems like H just then goes and confuses him again, he has also done a nice one in having me as the bed guy, 'Why did you tell Daddy to go Mummy?' and things to that effect on that is what I get as I try to explain. While it is true that I was the one who called time I am not about to go into the complex issues that put me in the position with either of my children let along the smallest one with SN! How the hell do I explain it to him! With dd (and ds but he is really struggling poor little boy) I have explained it as we as a family seem to do better in teams of three, Mummy and 2 children and Daddy and 2 children. I do wish I could know exactly what was being said, the smallest turn of phrase can cause mayhem with children like ds.

I have gone on enough, any advice for anybody would be so welcomed, like how do I deal with the well meaning friends who say things like 'its so out of the blue, can you not work it out, you always seemed so together etc etc'
I am not out to slag off H, we live in a very small, very tight community (well I, but H as kids Dad is still part of the community even though he isn't living in the village anymore) and I am not going to start asking people to take sides or pull apart H issues with people who aren't close friends of mine, its fair on nobody. How do I make clear that I am not acting on one argument, that there has been years and years of effort on my part to hold it all together and that I am not going to stand and give people the blow by blow of the last days of my marriage!

so sorry this is so long and so full of meaningless crap.

OP posts:
Festivalqueen1 · 05/10/2014 04:09

Its not meaningless, and id be pissed offcat exactly the same things. Little things men do that really show who is most important to them (themselves of course) really make us mad because we unfailingly put our kids first. We cant understand why on earth they dont.

With regards to friends questioning your decision, I would answer the question with a question 'do you think im acting on 1 argument with children imvolved?' Or 'do you think I havent tried everything I can do to save this marriage? '. If you say it firmly and gently they'll get the message. Andcdont elaborate further.

MuscatBouschet · 05/10/2014 04:21

No advice but sounds like you are coping really well with an incredibly tough situation. Stay positive in front of the children and you'll do great. X

Zazzles007 · 05/10/2014 05:46

OP I am saddened to hear about the end of your marriage, but at the same time, you cannot remain with a feckless, lying manchild, who prioritises the buying of a gaming console over paying this month's rent. And I say that as an avid console gamer.

To those well meaning friends, I would give them a sad, wistful smile, and say "Its been a long, long, long time coming. I won't bore you with the details now, but perhaps one day, we will sit down with a drink, and I will tell you all about it." Try to give them the perspective that what you have described above has been happening for years, and you have now had your metaphorical line-drawn-in-the-sand moment, so the marriage is over.

On a practical note, please find a very, very good lawyer to help you formulate your side of the divorce. No matter how much friendship there was before your marriage, and no matter the manner he has left the family home in, divorces can turn some people nasty at the blink of an eye.

Strength and courage to you OP in the coming weeks and months Thanks.

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