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Is my friend a narc?

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thatthingonyournose · 31/08/2014 21:07

I have a friend of five years who is causing me daily anxiety. She has, admittedly, not been in the best place over the last two years. She is struggling financially, is still living with her parents (who she doesn’t get on with) at 32 and desperately wants a relationship but has never had a boyfriend. She is in a pattern of meeting people, they sleep together, and she somehow turns into the OW or a booty call. Bad choices, bad reactions and not enough emotional experience of relationships to tell what is good and what is bad. I sometimes feel like she behaves like a 15 year old. She gets flattered into doing things and gets easily bullshitted by men. Stuff I can tell is bullshit from a mile off – but the kind of things I would’ve (and did) fall for as a teenager.

In contrast I am married and have a comfortable (but by no means perfect) life. She seems to have decided that this means I have no problems at all and therefore need to focus most of my attention on making her life better. She started by becoming devastated at the way she was treated by her parents/men she slept with/other friends/employers. Because she asked me for help, I started to offer her advice on how to deal with it. This has evolved into her forwarding me nearly every bit of her correspondence, and asking me how she should respond or asking me to draft replies for her. She acted so helpless in so many areas of her life that I had to tell her to stop asking me for advice on the most basic things. She responded by telling me that I of all people know how awful her life is, and knowing that, I had just made her feel so much worse.

I have also started to help her frequently with money. I know for sure that every time we meet, I will pay. Whether it’s a meal, drinks, travel, service or treatments. My DH and I have spent thousands on her over the last two years. While she is always very grateful, it became expected every single time. I decided to draw back and other friends advised me to only meet her in places she could afford and that she would at least pay half for. The trouble is, there are SO many other things she takes from me when we’re together (energy, time, advice favours) that I didn’t feel like meeting at all – and especially not trekking over town to meet her somewhere else . It has become easier, almost, for her to come to me at my house so I don't have to move and so there is no money exchanged.

She used to expect to see me every day, but I have cut it down now to about once every two weeks, even though she still sends me about ten emails a day and almost 20 or more texts. When I initially stopped seeing her every day, giving various excuses and even getting to the point where I told her that obligation is not how normal friendship’s work, she decided to “punish” me by not speaking to me for 5 days. It was bliss for me to be out of contact, but apparently awful for her, leading her to a total breakdown and feeling suicidal. It was pathetic and awful.

Now in our every two week meetings she comes to the house (I am fed up of paying for her at restaurants/bars.) The problem is, it is very difficult to get her to leave. She would stay the night if she could. But DH and I literally have to head off to bed and leave the room, for her to eventually start packing up to leave (sometimes in the early hours of the morning.) Even then she mutters things like “oh it’s okay for you two, going to sleep next to someone else each night.”

She is very inappropriate with DH’s friends. She treats every dinner or event we have invited her to over the years, as an opportunity for her. She thinks only of getting a boyfriend, or getting money for herself. Even if it is mine or DH’s birthday or a celebration for someone else. Sure, she acts the part “happy birthday,” or “how are you?” or “thank you so much” but the ways she says these things is so ingenuine. All she is thinking about is herself. She also acts like every man she meets is an opportunity, even the married ones. The story is that they “always come on to her,” and she can’t help it. Sometimes I challenge her when she accuses DH’s friends of being obsessed with her, and a couple of times she has proved herself right by showing me texts and correspondence from them which is indeed exactly as she says it is.

She thinks that men get obsessed with her sexually because they see her as an easy target - a vulnerable person due to all the problems in her life. She sees this as another unfairness – that she is a walking target for “abusers” ie men who pursue her madly for sex, but then when they get what they want, they don’t call back. But for me it’s very obvious. She acts very available, she dresses very provocatively – and even though she doesn’t acknowledge it, she does half of the chasing (eg adds people on facebook after 5 mins of knowing them, brazenly ignores their wife, “hangs around” in the same places that she knows they’ll be.) She couches this behavior as “politeness,” or “showing interest in others.”

There are countless other things. I know that I am enabling her. Over the last 6 months, I have massively managed down her expectations and all my enabling and have sort of been waiting for her to get annoyed at the lack of energy coming her way from me. But all I am getting is huge guilt trips. Email after email of how awful her life is, how she hates X or hates Y, and saying the reason they are all treating her the same is because she is one of life’s sensitive people, one of life’s “givers” (!) that people can smell out her generosity and that makes her a walking target for abuse and for being taken advantage of.

My mother is a narc. My mother is also this combination of attention seeking and vulnerable – the brazen, charming seductress and fragile, hyper-sensitive child. They both can change moods as quick as lightening. She can be sobbing on my shoulder in the kitchen, only to see a good looking man with a Rolex walk in, wipe her tears, ask me to bring her a drink and saunter into the living room with a Cheshire cat grin. When I am baffled by the change she says things like “but I thought you wanted me to be happy?” “You have everything you want. Why are you denying me what I need?” Or “It’s allright for some…”

Is she also a narc? What do I do about her now without getting a tirade of revenge (which my mother does also.)

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BitterAndOnlySlightlyTwisted · 31/08/2014 21:12

It doesn't matter whether she's a narc or not. That won't help you to change this relationship. You need to draw a line in the sand with her. I'd have ended this "friendship" a very long time ago. I can't see what she adds to your life one iota. Get rid

scarletforya · 31/08/2014 21:14

Could be a borderline or histrionic. Personality disorders overlap a lot. She sounds a bit too vulnerable to be a narcissist.

HygieneFreak · 31/08/2014 21:14

Wow

Talk about hard work!

I would cut her off. No explanation so she cant guilt trip you. Just cut her off stone dead

ihatethecold · 31/08/2014 21:20

You are not responsible for her happiness.
You need to walk away from this person.
This is not healthy.

Meerka · 31/08/2014 21:27

whatever she is, she's no good as a friend. There shouldn't be any need to trigger off revenge-problems. For a start she might not be like your mother that way, unless you've seen signs of vengefulness in her before. Also at some deep level your mother will assume many more 'rights' in you than this woman can, simply becuase you're family and she brought you up which this woman didn't.

Assuming she doesn't seem vengeful, start saying less and less to her. Keep moving the arrangements to meet further and further apart. Answer her texts and mails less often. Use neutral phrases like "I'm sorry you feel that way", "that's a shame"(of people she thinks have treated her badly), You'll get the guilt tripping but I'm afraid you and your husband will have to talk to each other and strengthen each other to withstand them.

For whatever reason she's become like this, she'll suck you dry and leave you hollow and even poorer than she already has.

Also I think you need to seriously work on your boundaries. Have you seen a therapist about your relationship with your mother? Therapy isn't necessarily for everyone but you seem to have rather replicated the relationship.

BitterAndOnlySlightlyTwisted · 31/08/2014 21:27

She sounds bloody exhausting. It must be a full-time job just keeping up with all the emails and texts.

What precisely is her presence in your life enhancing? A big question you need to be asking yourself is why do you persist in trying to have any kind of friendship with her? She's a vampire sucking up every ounce of joy around her. And you.

thatthingonyournose · 31/08/2014 21:35

I'm really aware that she's no good as a friend. And I don't want her in my life. I have a pattern of attracting women like this because I was my mother's "parent," so it's a role I seem to slip in to unawares. I am having therapy, and have managed to distance myself from her (and my mother) a lot.

It's just this last bit. She takes crumbs. For every 10 emails I'll reply once and briefly. But that will provoke 10 more.

She has more or less told me that I am her only hope - the only thing keeping her alive.

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Meerka · 31/08/2014 21:44

thatthing, that is one of the lowest and most awful things someone can say to someone else. It's almost never true and even when it is, it is completely unfair to make someone else your reason for living.

All you can do is point her to the MH services and if (heaven forbid) she says she's taken an overdose - ring 999. If it's genuine, they will handle it and she'll end up in professional hands. If it's not - they'll hopefully give her a rocket up her arse.

In fact I would actually say to her next time she brings up suicide "I can't save you. You need professional help. I'm not trained or qualified to help you". It does sound as if there are some serious mental health issues here and you really have done all you can. People end up that ill for good reason, usually, but you can do no more than you have - in fact, you've probably done too much already as you're clearly aware.

Maybe reply to 1 in 10 emails, then after a couple weeks to 1 in 20, then 1 in 50. If she rings on the doorbell, say that it's not convenient and let a bit of exasperatoin show. You might have to be very firm. It means a bit of work for you but in the end she'll get the message.

It's good to hear you're having therapy, good luck with it =)

candyce83 · 31/08/2014 22:30

Defo sounds more borderline with narcissistic traits...they have an intense fear of abandonement and youre just the person shes latched onto. They quickly switch from idealising you to devaluing you and tend to have very rocky relationships. Its a very sad thing. She needs help which sadly you cant give her. Look after you first...

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