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Fallen for a younger guy..not a happy ending so far..

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cmfo · 24/08/2014 21:48

Hi there. Well, here goes. I am a young looking 37 year old attractive woman (sounds really pretentious but hear me out). I have 2 young kids and have been single for well over a year. Am independent, sociable, into music etc. Developed a crush on a now 30 year old guy at work. He is quite geeky and fairly analytical but also v creative and dry sense of humour, we have a lot in common, music, photography, art ,views. I am more outgoing than him but he is a lovely calm, I think handsome and very intelligent guy. We have been 'hanging gout' for a while and early on he talked about not knowing if someone fancies him an also that he was 'fussy' this was in response to him talking about NOT liking someone at work who some colleagues were teasing him about at work drinks (we talked about this at a later point).
So we emailed and texted - me initiating it at first), but his history is from a small place, moved away aged 25, a bit of a loner, spends most of his time alone as he is busy doing various creative/ money making things but has become more sociable as a result of work. Seems to have lots of acquaintances and some friends particularly from his home town but no one male friend here (he sells stuff so meets plenty of people). We had two evenings up until 3am drinking wine/ music etc. I was sure that maybe something was there.
It came to a head on one of those evenings (the day before he had asked if I wanted to spend the day with him but I couldn't ) where I lay down at 3.30am on his sofa bed, he then came over and lay next to me on his front, I inched myself back into him, he awkwardly said 'Shall we have a cuddle then as we are virtually doing that' he put his arms round me his face on mine and we spooned for a couple/ 3 hours but in the morning he said 'I think we need to have a chat' and said 'I don't think this is going anywhere is it?' He then made a comment suggesting that my ex was more intellectually challenging for me, which i said I'd not said, but I then kind of gave him a get out clause of "im 38 with 2 kids' and he said 'yes thank you and I said I was fussy' it opened it up to talking about his past - 2 Gf's very young (19) saying that one ended badly and he 'didn't handle it well) then he liked someone in his 20's but nothing happened and he never told her - think that still smarts a bit for him! I suggested he should have told her. We talked generally about our relationships etc etc and he was just so lovely - he felt bad and said it felt like dumping someone without having a relationship.
Basically I get the impression he hasn't had any/ a serious relationship in his 20's at all. Anyway he was lovely and he was very clear we could still hang out.
Then we actually started to hang out more and more and have become closer with the communication being more mutual. I go over, we cook food, we go for walks, to gigs (he doesn't like going to things on his own despite seeming quite independent) I spent his birthday weekend with him alone, (stayed over in his spare room as I had a headache and threw up), we went out for a meal etc etc. Anyway he is also a very friendly guy so I should believe that he wants nothing more and he certainly hasn't moved things forward.

He replies immediately if I text him and he does contacts me, but doesn't often instigate the meet ups. However he talks about days out and says I should meet his mum and we would get on, he is emotionally quite immature/ shy and he kind of knows it but he has become a lot more emotionally open with me.
I know I'm more emotionally more mature than him, but I also respect and admire him, he is quite old for his age in many ways, we have a lot in common, he seems really comfortable with me, but he's not a huggy guy so there is no way I would infringe on his personal space and he also said he had no idea I liked him that night it came out 'until you were an inch away from me'. I'm not forward at all in that way so whilst I think I'm being obvious, it's not always clear.
I've never experienced telling I guy I like them, them rejecting my advances and them hanging out with me and spending more time with me after.
A couple of people at work said 'no not him!' when I have confessed that I have a crush on him, as their judgement is that he's awkward and possibly insecure.

I guess the crush thing is cooler, but it's still there and I guess maybe I'm thinking I'll wear him down over time. Whilst I think he is afraid and hasn't much relationship experience an is a little awkward physically, he's also very confident in other ways. Basically he has been single for 10 years from what he has let on and is 'fussy' so of course a 38 year old with two kids would clearly be the last thing he wants, however I can't let go of the feelings I have so easily.

Got myself into a right state. Have tried not to contact him this weekend. Should I just back off? Anyone bagged an awkward geeky guy like this? Maybe I just need some sympathy!

OP posts:
chinamoon · 25/08/2014 08:10

I think it sounds like a really sweet transitional relationship. Mainly a friendship but almost playing at romance without the ties. Sounds to me like you are ready to cope with something much more, erm, normal. He sounds a bit wet. It's possible he's shy and under experienced and needs a dominant woman to compensate for it but that's not you.

TDada · 25/08/2014 08:41

This is very sweet. I think this guy doesn't have that hard drive that many men have. I think that it is ok to have him there for you for the time being. Also think that you should seduce him to find out whether you really want him.

goldsilver · 25/08/2014 08:56

Hmm, I'd say the same as the rest I am afraid. Back off, remain friends but no more. Allow him to emotionally develop. Too much work involved here! You are obsessing over him, you need a distraction. Try and find one and leave him to it. This really isn't a good basis for a relationship.

Egghead68 · 25/08/2014 09:03

He's not interested.

BlackDaisies · 25/08/2014 09:05

Ime men like this simply aren't interested. They like the idea. I agree with other posters who suggest he might be gay, or interested in younger pretty girls from afar.

I would extricate yourself. Speaking from experience (many moons ago) hoping that something may happen here can lead to months of hurt, with nothing ever developing but enough to keep you hoping.

Flossiex2 · 25/08/2014 09:07

What a weird set-up. You are doing all the instigating/organising and you want more than he is giving you.

He has told you in no uncertain terms it is 'going nowhere.' I would be insulted by the 'I told you I was fussy' comment. That's is saying he doesn't think you are good enough for him.

Why would you even waste time being just friends? Don't make a fool of yourself. Back off and you'll soon know if he has feelings for you (he doesn't and you know it.)

TDada · 25/08/2014 09:10

No hat, in using as a transitional / background relationship. Take your time you don't have to hurry to find mr right

kazmu · 25/08/2014 19:47

I love you guys xxxxx

tinks4 · 25/08/2014 20:40

OP when I was in my teens I was in love with a male friend of mine who sounds very much like your friend. Geeky, a loner, limited experience with women but we got on really well, liked similar things and he was really interesting company, same sense of humour.

He knew I liked him, nothing ever happened between us and I knew early on that it wouldn't. Like Chinamoon mentioned above we sort of played at romance, there was an undercurrent but not in the typical male way. I still liked him up until my mid twenties.

It's nearly thirty years since I first liked him and we are still friends. Still see each all the time and I would hate to have ended the friendship because I wanted something that he didn't as I would have missed out on having a really good friend. I have no feelings for him in that way now and haven't for a long time.

He is still geeky, still a loner but we have a great friendship. OP if you can accept that maybe he doesn't want a relationship and you will only ever be friends don't dismiss that. You don't have to withdraw from a friendship because one of you has romantic feelings about the other.

kazmu · 25/08/2014 20:52

tinks4 thanks so much. I really appreciate hearing that because as I told him after he first told me it wasn't going anywhere, he wasn't a dick and handled it really well considering his awkwardness. I really do value his friendship so I just have to be careful and manage my feelings until they subside. And having done a similar thing in my twenties, I know that a true friendship with none of the unwanted feelings is possible. I think having had the weekend with some space (me not contacting him) has helped. Thanks again tink4 - helps me a lot as I know that when I see a man who has qualities I really love, it's easy for me to fall for them initially!
xx

ChelsyHandy · 25/08/2014 23:12

He sounds like he is using you, albeit gently, for company, on his terms, with his pre-set limitations. I bet he wants you to meet his mother! He probably gets nagged by his parents about not having a girlfriend. You are doing all the running and will probably continue to do so if you don't end it now. Whether dong that amount of running for someone who isn't ever going to be sexually attracted to you (and any woman?) is worth it, only you can tell. You sound like you're already pretty drawn in by him. Maybe keeping away from him for a few weeks without making a big deal of it might help.

chinamoon · 25/08/2014 23:30

tinks did you friend ever find the right person? I'm intrigued by people who lack that need for romantic love.

SolidGoldBrass · 25/08/2014 23:36

Chinamoon, romantic love is not compulsory. Some people are simply not interested in it. Same as some people are not interested in football, or fashion, or social media.

PineappleLump · 25/08/2014 23:43

Is he going to be any good for your kids?

DonkeysDontRideBicycles · 26/08/2014 00:31

Oh the attractive polite guy who gets your heart aflutter but annoyingly keeps you at arms length but shows just enough warmth to make you think aah if only he'd let his guard down. I knew a couple of men (boys?) like this. You need to wake up and steer clear because time passes and you get no closer. And they act like there's all the time in the world.

Btw, him saying you should meet his mother, you'd get along? That rings a bell - it was what one of the Uncapturables I liked said - we were same year students - later he told me he saw me as 'the sister he'd never had'. Hence hitting it off with his mum. Hmmm! So not what I'd hoped to hear.

tinks4 · 26/08/2014 22:10

Just see how you feel with it. If you enjoy his company and accept just being friends then just enjoy the friendship. If, on the other hand, you find it hard just being friends and it is causing you difficulties then you may need to reassess. If nothing changes in the near future in terms of how he is with you then it is likely to stay that way. Good luck with it.

Chinamoon no my friend has never found the right person - he has never really had any interest in looking. He dabbled a bit, with both sexes, at uni, but other than that he has been celibate through choice. He dislikes the physical closeness to another person that you get with sex. Each to their own I guess. He seems happy as he is.

Fmlgirl · 26/08/2014 23:00

I agree that he's not interested and also sounds like too hard work for you, a grown woman with children. This guy sounds like a socially inept man child as nice as he might be.

Waltermittythesequel · 26/08/2014 23:08

So you've instigated most contact.

He's told you, quite clearly, that he's not interested in a sexual relationship with you.

He's acting 100% appropriately and as a friend.

You've told people where you both work that you have a crush on him.

Jeez. I think you need to let it go and take the bunny off the boiler!

TDada · 30/08/2014 20:08

I don't see why you can't carry on being friends why you seek physical relationship elsewhere

IrreversibleFall · 30/08/2014 21:27

As an awkward geeky guy I'd just like thank you for giving him a chance, you're one of the good ones.

There's a lot of tough love on this thread, probably right, but still it makes me sad.

Maybe he's got a phobia, fearful of something, physical problem. People can be sexually anorexic/averse for all types of different reasons. Not for you to fix, but you're his friend so maybe it's something you could approach.

kazmu · 01/09/2014 00:14

IrreversibleFall, have just come back from cinema with him (he suggested it this time!). I took some time and backed off a little as in making sure I'm not totally focusing on him and concentrating on the friendship, and I guess we'll see where things go. We went out the night before to a gig, walked back to his and talked a lot more about my ex - he commented 'but you're not going to get back with him through are you?' and asked me again how long we had been split up. My guess is that it is very scary for him to consider a relationship with me and I'm not fitting into his life plan for him as the 'perfect' girlfriend. He is one of the kindest men I have ever met. I suppose it's hard for me to think that he has no feelings at all. But I also totally see the points made by others posters.

BlueBrightBlue · 01/09/2014 00:25

Talking about exes is the death knell in my limited experience. Just focus on your friendship. I'm not all that optimistic about the outcome. To be honest I think the pair of you have a lot of growing up to do.
Leave the past behind and move on. What have you got to gain from talking about your shitty exes? It's a real turn off.

kazmu · 01/09/2014 00:35

I guess it was in the context of what I have learnt and how I got myself into the situation and in the context of discussing attachment and how different people behave and respond to the other person in relationships. It's really difficult to communicate the context of the entire evenings conversation into this thread! I get what you are saying, but also I shouldn't have to worry about selling myself as someone I am not and I'm not interested in presenting myself as not having a past or difficulties in relationships, as I don't want to be in a relationship with someone who can't accept me for who i am and what I've been through. So ironically this was my way of being authentic and truthful, assuming that if he can't handle that then he is not for me anyway.

FindoGask · 01/09/2014 00:44

My first serious boyfriend was/is asexual (neither of us knew this at the time), and your description of the night you spent on his sofa bed is very familiar! He was lovely, but his total lack of interest in sex with me - despite being so attentive and affectionate in lots of other ways - really did not do my self esteem much good, especially at the tender age of 17/18.

kazmu · 01/09/2014 00:59

he is definately not asexual - I can tell you that!

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