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DP and I can't argue healthily

22 replies

notaflamingclue · 06/08/2014 10:26

I dont really know where to go from here. The way we react to things differs so enormously I honestly dont know if we can get past it.

I am a very direct person and usually tell it like it is. I feel that if you cant speak the truth to the people you love, then there is no-one you can be truthful with, emotionally. DP clams up and withdraws, which feels to me like he is ignoring me and my feelings and that he is sulking. He maintains that he is not sulking, but he still refuses to address whatever it is that has made him clam up and seems to think that if he ignores it, itll go away. Ironically, he is the one who holds the grudges, whereas I am a hot-and-cold kind of person: cross one minute, absolutely fine the next.

I have a fairly full-on, stressful job and sometimes I can be quite short when I get home (he was, until recently, a SAHD). Often I dont even realise I do it. His response, rather than to call me on it (which I would appreciate because it would give me an insight to a behaviour I know is not nice), is to withdraw and not speak to me. He says to me, You are obviously in a bad mood so I just think its best to leave you alone. I have told him that its not the right thing to do. I would much prefer to be told when Im out of order because otherwise, how would I know?

I find him very judgmental. Example from this morning: he was asking where MIL could take DD on Friday, she is looking after her for the day. I suggest going to the local Asda cafe for a coffee and cake which DD would love, as it would be a special treat for her. His response was My mother doesnt go to big shops for fun, like you do.

Firstly, I found that really offensive. I felt that his tone was disparaging, and he was mocking the fact that I dont actually dislike food shopping. Was I being oversensitive? I am prepared to be told that I was. Its just that he quite often does this: draws comparisons with other people about something about me which I know he is slightly mocking of.

Secondly so what if his mother doesnt like going to Asda? She has asked for ideas which will keep DD amused, and this is a sure-fire winner.

Its got to the stage now where we are unable to have a normal, healthy disagreement. He takes offense at my directness and I get frustrated at his avoidance of the issues. Im not sure its anyones fault but I dont know how to deal with this in a more constructive way.

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notaflamingclue · 06/08/2014 10:27

Ugh. Question marks are apostrophes and commas. No idea why it does this to my posts Confused

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FabULouse · 06/08/2014 10:32

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campingfilth · 06/08/2014 10:33

Hasn't he just been very direct like you say you are?? TBH I am with him on taking a child to asda for cake for something to do. I am sure there are plenty of fun things your daughter could go to that don't involve a big, boring, bland superstore.

It sounds like you are both as bad as each other.

Bunbaker · 06/08/2014 10:37

Since you like honest and direct answers - you sound like hard work.

Fab is right. You shouldn't need other people to tell you when you are out of order.

notaflamingclue · 06/08/2014 10:49

I'm sure I can be hard work. However I'm not sure how out of order I am. I don't snap and I don't pick fights. But if I'm tired and perhaps not as receptive as normal he tells me I'm being 'arsy'. I am worried about this because it's not something I've been accused of before. Am I really being arsy? I honestly don't know.

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Bunbaker · 06/08/2014 10:58

If I am feeling out of sorts I just warn people. I also tell them not to take it personally if I am snappy.

Too many people, and I include OH in this category, always make the people around them feel as if everything is their fault. I expect your partner feels like he is treading on eggshells round you, and he would rather just avoid the issue because whatever he says or does will be wrong.

If he asks you "what's wrong?" do you just snap back "nothing" at him? You have no idea how frustrating this is because clearly something is wrong.

notaflamingclue · 06/08/2014 11:05

He never asks, which makes it all the more a mystery to me. Oddly I often feel like I am treading on eggshells around him - he can be very moody - but I accept that he may feel the same way sometimes.

I will try to do as you say and warn him. I do think I'm not that self-aware when I am tired as I describe so probably this will be a good idea. I just hope that I can catch myself before it happens.

I am very clear that it's not 'his fault' and I'm not after some sort of validation of my reaction, or his. I am just very sad that we can't communicate properly. We both seem to feel that the other is deliberately ignoring the other's feelings / perspective. We're also both very tired at the minute, as he has just started a new job and mine is the usual crazy stuff it always is.

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Bunbaker · 06/08/2014 11:22

And I'm sorry my first response was so rude. Men can be very moody. When OH is like that I just avoid him until he snaps out of it.

notaflamingclue · 06/08/2014 11:32

Smile no problem. It is good to get other people's perspective. I learnt a long time ago that if you genuinely come to MN for advice then you need to push past the initial, off-the-cuff responses.

I do need to try harder, there's no doubt about that. So I will. Thank you.

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Jan45 · 06/08/2014 14:41

For god's sake, he loves to snipe at you doesn't he, really, there's no need, he sounds quite contemptuous towards you, stop thinking it's you, you sound pretty ok to me.

If he can't and wont talk about his emotions I think you are in for a long road ahead full of frustrations tbh.

Quitelikely · 06/08/2014 14:52

I think it's ok for two people to deal with their emotions differently. Nobody is wrong as such but he comes off slightly worse IMO because he sulks and doesn't tell you whats up iyswim. In that case you should ask him whats caused his upset and if you can help in anyway.

The Asda thing sounds like he was having a dig at you. Not for the idea but just because of underlying resentments as often they manifest in petty arguments/comments like the ones described.

To hell with posters criticising a trip to Asda Cafe. You know what DD likes, MiLs budget, transportation issues etc.

Catzeyess · 06/08/2014 14:53

Something jumped out at me from your post and obviously it's a massive assumption so I apologise if it's off the mark.

But is it possible you may have some mild aspergers traits, if you say you are not aware of when you are being grumpy/upsetting him and you are very direct. My dad is on the spectrum and behaves similar to this and I've found I'm much more patient with him now I know he is wired that way.

Jan45 · 06/08/2014 15:14

I think the OP is unaware when/if she is upsetting him because she genuinely doesn't think she is, he sounds OTT to me, I'd find him draining.

Hoppinggreen · 06/08/2014 15:21

Just because something is true it doesn't mean you HAVE to say it if it's unnecessary and hurtful.
I could say a lot of things and I would be telling it like it is and direct but it would also be rude.
How about being kind to each other - there is a lot of space between tiptoeing around someone's feelings and being rude.

Scarletohello · 06/08/2014 15:21

If this is an issue you are prepared to work at I suggest you ( both read this book). It is excellent and not only gives you communication techniques but also a way to get to the heart if what the issue is.

'Non violent communication, The language of life' by Marshall B Rosenberg. He's a psychotherapist with years if dealing with conflicts between groups.

You've got nothing to lose and it may really help!

notaflamingclue · 06/08/2014 15:44

Thank you everyone. Jan45 I do genuinely not know that I'm upsetting him. IMO he seems to get upset at very trivial things (and consequently withdraws sulks). It is draining at times, it's as if he's looking for things to find fault with. That said, I'm absolutely sure he has plenty of genuine things to find fault with sometimes!

Quitelikely - thanks! Grin I ignored the inane comments about Asda Cafe because I have no need to justify how I spend time with DD. She does plenty. She still happens to really enjoy a trip to the Asda cafe thank God

Thanks Scarlet I will look out that book, it looks interesting. And I hadn't thought about Aspergers...may be worth looking into. I am genuinely unaware of upsetting him.

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Jan45 · 06/08/2014 15:51

OP, I honestly don't think you are setting out to upset him at all, I think it's him with the problem and is using that as a way of getting at you, you sure there's not resentment from his side over something else?

justiceofthePeas · 06/08/2014 15:53

This could be one of several possibilities:

You may just have different communication styles.

There may be nothing wrong with you, he may be being an arsey twat. Sulking is never good. If I had posted on MN years ago I might have said x and I had conflict resolution issues. Now I see he was EA and I was totally blind sided by it and by the theory that there always has to be fault on both sides.

Or it may be that you need to learn to judge your own tolerance levels better. And possibly look into reducing your work related stress. Life is too short to let work fry your personal life.

Good luck OP

notaflamingclue · 06/08/2014 16:02

I'm not sure. I don't think so - although he's had a bit of a tough year being a SAHD. It's been strange for him, although in other ways he has loved it. Now he's adjusting again to a new job and to DD going into nursery more. He'll never be the main earner, which I know can upset some men, but I can honestly say he's never before been bothered by this. Actually I think he's quite proud of me.

Thanks for your support. It's much appreciated. I do think it's a case of 6-to-one and half-a-dozen to the other. I will try to talk to him later.

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notaflamingclue · 06/08/2014 16:04

Thanks justice. I think a lot of it is down to different communication styles. All my family are quite full-on and very direct. All of his family are the opposite. Guess which family has the history of feuds, NC and the like Hmm

I am worried most of all because letting things fester is completely alien to me; it seems to be DP's default response. Of course he would call it letting sleeping dogs lie. Different communication styles...

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Twinklestein · 06/08/2014 22:04

I agree with campingfilth - if you're going to be honest and direct then you have to accept if he is the same. If you don't like it when he does that with you then maybe modify your style with him.

And I have to agree with him that Asda is an absurd place to take a child, there must be more interesting things his mother can do with her.

Elsmom · 08/08/2014 21:02

I have wasted 4 years of my life on this exact kind of relationship. I am finally giving in and heading for divorce. It won't change. It might for a week every now and then while you are both on your best behaviour but if you are not compatible it's not worth the stress, effort and being made to feel bad when actually alone you'd be much more happy X

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